Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F

[Magic4champ]

Would not be surprise if our free agt targets will be gunners to solidify the bench. 2nd tier free agts like Bogdanovich and Wanamaker to add shooting with Fultz coming off the bench would give him space to penetrate. Bamba as the stretch center.

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Difference is those guys are all vets, Okeke is a rookie who has no NBA practice or game experience.
Rookies have a hard enough time getting on the court, especially under a coach like clifford, add in coming off an acl injury and missing all summer league, training camp and preseason, and yeah id be shocked if he plays at all this season

Perhaps this is semantics, but what you're saying is a different argument.

My belief is that Okeke will be healthy enough to play NBA basketball at some point during this upcoming season.

If he doesn't get on the floor because he's a rookie and Clifford doesn't trust him because he's a rookie, then so be it, but that's different from his health.

Just looking at Weltmans history in 3 years.

Isaac - Barely/Didn't plays his rookie season
Bamba - Barely/Didn't plays his rookie season
Fultz - No rush or timeframe to play
Okeke - Out for at least half the season upon drafted

So, yeah while he could return I highly doubt he will be playing this upcoming season. There is no urgency.

[OrlandO]

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[zaymon]

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That would make whole lot of sense. They get a spacer who doesnt need too many touches offensively and defensively he can cover for Bagley. Kings getting smarter.

[NSB_Magic]

Someone explain how Kyrie is such an upgrade over d-lo.... especially when you factor in continuing their success from last season?

It’s not like Kyrie is a proven leader or anything... and d-lo is positioned to keep getting better.

I really don’t understand Nets prerogativ.

[zaymon]

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Someone explain how Kyrie is such an upgrade over d-lo.... especially when you factor in continuing their success from last season?

It’s not like Kyrie is a proven leader or anything... and d-lo is positioned to keep getting better.

I really don’t understand Nets prerogativ.

Kyrie and Durant talked about playing together. Dlo had locker room problems in the past maybe they are still present and comicaly they prefer Kyrie.

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Someone explain how Kyrie is such an upgrade over d-lo.... especially when you factor in continuing their success from last season?

It’s not like Kyrie is a proven leader or anything... and d-lo is positioned to keep getting better.

I really don’t understand Nets prerogativ.

Kyrie draws free agents to Brooklyn more than D-lo. He’s also more experienced and has legitimate playoff/championship level experience. Yeah he’s unpredictable, but it’s a decent risk to take considering Russell will also end up requiring a similarly sized contract. I could honestly see Kyrie staying put in Brooklyn now after actually choosing them as his preferred destination. He’s also from New Jersey so it kind of makes sense.

[MagicFan101]

Someone explain how Kyrie is such an upgrade over d-lo.... especially when you factor in continuing their success from last season?

It’s not like Kyrie is a proven leader or anything... and d-lo is positioned to keep getting better.

I really don’t understand Nets prerogativ.

As others have said, this is all about the belief that Kyrie draws others to the party.

I agree that in a vacuum, a younger and cheaper Russell is the better choice. But Kyrie + Durant / Butler makes it an easy choice.

[fendilim]

Difference is those guys are all vets, Okeke is a rookie who has no NBA practice or game experience.
Rookies have a hard enough time getting on the court, especially under a coach like clifford, add in coming off an acl injury and missing all summer league, training camp and preseason, and yeah id be shocked if he plays at all this season

Perhaps this is semantics, but what you're saying is a different argument.

My belief is that Okeke will be healthy enough to play NBA basketball at some point during this upcoming season.

If he doesn't get on the floor because he's a rookie and Clifford doesn't trust him because he's a rookie, then so be it, but that's different from his health.

Just looking at Weltmans history in 3 years.

Isaac - Barely/Didn't plays his rookie season
Bamba - Barely/Didn't plays his rookie season
Fultz - No rush or timeframe to play
Okeke - Out for at least half the season upon drafted

So, yeah while he could return I highly doubt he will be playing this upcoming season. There is no urgency.

WeHam is quietly doing the process if you ask me.

People want The Process, but get mad when the players cant play.

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Perhaps this is semantics, but what you're saying is a different argument.

My belief is that Okeke will be healthy enough to play NBA basketball at some point during this upcoming season.

If he doesn't get on the floor because he's a rookie and Clifford doesn't trust him because he's a rookie, then so be it, but that's different from his health.

Just looking at Weltmans history in 3 years.

Isaac - Barely/Didn't plays his rookie season
Bamba - Barely/Didn't plays his rookie season
Fultz - No rush or timeframe to play
Okeke - Out for at least half the season upon drafted

So, yeah while he could return I highly doubt he will be playing this upcoming season. There is no urgency.

WeHam is quietly doing the process if you ask me.

People want The Process, but get mad when the players cant play.

If that were the case Vuc would have already been gone.

Careful fendi , any mention of “process” or the ubiquitous word “tanking” and the torches comes out in full force.

It’s not so much that people get mad at “players not playing”. It’s that they field and pitch playoffs while selecting and trading for primarily projects. Pick a lane.

[fendilim]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254543/Nets-Willing-To-Help-Facilitate-DAngelo-Russell-Getting-To-Preferred-Team

WeHam should get on the phone and try to land DLo.

Maybe trade Fournier + picks or Gordon or someone else to land DLo.

[fendilim]

Just looking at Weltmans history in 3 years.

Isaac - Barely/Didn't plays his rookie season
Bamba - Barely/Didn't plays his rookie season
Fultz - No rush or timeframe to play
Okeke - Out for at least half the season upon drafted

So, yeah while he could return I highly doubt he will be playing this upcoming season. There is no urgency.

WeHam is quietly doing the process if you ask me.

People want The Process, but get mad when the players cant play.

If that were the case Vuc would have already been gone.

Careful fendi , any mention of “process” or the ubiquitous word “tanking” and the torches comes out in full force.

It’s not so much that people get mad at “players not playing”. It’s that they field and pitch playoffs while selecting and trading for primarily projects. Pick a lane.

Seems to me that management won't allow them to tank, at the same time they know the current group is good enough to only make the playoffs, but not good enough to be contenders. So they are picking low risk, high reward guys, and "medically redshirting" them to refine and develop their game, and quietly build something behind closed door.

If you look at their acquisitions now, it lines up with
C- Bamba
PF- Isaac
SF- Okeke
SG - tbd
PG- Fultz

So yes, they we are not losing, but at the same time trying to build on high risk high reward guys.

Okeke actually ranked 2nd, if i'm not mistaken, for most advanced stats analytics (which we highly invested on and have exclusing rights for one of those companies for like 5 years or something).

[Uncommon]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254543/Nets-Willing-To-Help-Facilitate-DAngelo-Russell-Getting-To-Preferred-Team

WeHam should get on the phone and try to land DLo.

Maybe trade Fournier + picks or Gordon or someone else to land DLo.

Why do people always offer Fournier in trades? Guy has negative value around the league considering his production and bad contract. It might take Fournier AND Gordon to entice the Nets into a D Lo trade.

[Anti Chalmers]

Is D-Lo still in play for us? I kinda like the duo of D-Lo and Vuc and think it would be enough to get us a top 5 seed

[zaymon]

WeHam is quietly doing the process if you ask me.

People want The Process, but get mad when the players cant play.

If that were the case Vuc would have already been gone.

Careful fendi , any mention of “process” or the ubiquitous word “tanking” and the torches comes out in full force.

It’s not so much that people get mad at “players not playing”. It’s that they field and pitch playoffs while selecting and trading for primarily projects. Pick a lane.

Seems to me that management won't allow them to tank, at the same time they know the current group is good enough to only make the playoffs, but not good enough to be contenders. So they are picking low risk, high reward guys, and "medically redshirting" them to refine and develop their game, and quietly build something behind closed door.

If you look at their acquisitions now, it lines up with
C- Bamba
PF- Isaac
SF- Okeke
SG - tbd
PG- Fultz

So yes, they we are not losing, but at the same time trying to build on high risk high reward guys.

Okeke actually ranked 2nd, if i'm not mistaken, for most advanced stats analytics (which we highly invested on and have exclusing rights for one of those companies for like 5 years or something).

Great post. I dont know how someone can put a " ceiling" on our team when we literally have very promising future starting 5 in the making. People here are really addicted to losing and think tanking is the best way to develop talent. I would agree if we had no young talent but cmon we have number: 1, 4, 6, 6, 16 to develop. With Vucevic and Fournier we can put them in roles they can succed and build off that. People forget that even the most lucky teams who drafted generational talent like Durant, Lebron, Davis failed becouse they didnt have the veteran supporting cast. I want Orlando to learn on their mistakes.

[Showbiz Bear]

I kinda wanna sign Rozier on a reasonable contract if we stretch Mozgov and don't resign TRoss

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[fendilim]

If that were the case Vuc would have already been gone.

Careful fendi , any mention of “process” or the ubiquitous word “tanking” and the torches comes out in full force.

It’s not so much that people get mad at “players not playing”. It’s that they field and pitch playoffs while selecting and trading for primarily projects. Pick a lane.

Seems to me that management won't allow them to tank, at the same time they know the current group is good enough to only make the playoffs, but not good enough to be contenders. So they are picking low risk, high reward guys, and "medically redshirting" them to refine and develop their game, and quietly build something behind closed door.

If you look at their acquisitions now, it lines up with
C- Bamba
PF- Isaac
SF- Okeke
SG - tbd
PG- Fultz

So yes, they we are not losing, but at the same time trying to build on high risk high reward guys.

Okeke actually ranked 2nd, if i'm not mistaken, for most advanced stats analytics (which we highly invested on and have exclusing rights for one of those companies for like 5 years or something).

Great post. I dont know how someone can put a " ceiling" on our team when we literally have very promising future starting 5 in the making. People here are really addicted to losing and think tanking is the best way to develop talent. I would agree if we had no young talent but cmon we have number: 1, 4, 6, 6, 16 to develop. With Vucevic and Fournier we can put them in roles they can succed and build off that. People forget that even the most lucky teams who drafted generational talent like Durant, Lebron, Davis failed becouse they didnt have the veteran supporting cast. I want Orlando to learn on their mistakes.

i think a lot of people are on the Fear Of Missing Out boat, tbh. Especially when we see guys like Tobias and Ola developing to another level after moving to a team with winning culture.

Now, we’re trying to build one, but people still want to tank to get a shiney new toy.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

I think after we resign Vuc and Tross, we will sign a backup PG and run the same squad again. If we are lucky maybe we sneak into the playoffs again.

Rinse and repeat for 4 more years unless Fultz and Bamba show promise. But that is a lot of ‘ifs’ and ‘hope’ so chances we remain a treadmill 7th/8th seed team for the foreseeable future is very high.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

I will feel better if Vuc’s contract is frontloaded so if Bamba fails, we still have Vuc but if Bamba reaches his potential we have a tradeable contract in Vuc.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

The reality is KD, DLo, Kawhi are not signing here.

Bamba isn’t ready.

Resigning Vuc was smart thing to do. BUT like I said earlier, let’s see final details of contract without losing our minds.