When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

The Effect · Post #321 » by **The Effect** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:20 am

And this is all why i questioned why we gave him an extension AFTER his injury

The guy was hurt basically every year and now was coming off an injury to the most critical part of his body, and with the history of 7fters will leg\feet injuries, it didnt look good from the start

I get hes a difference maker on defense, but his offense was the epitome of average (he can make open shots, and get fast break because of his defense, but cant create for himself or others, cant play in the post), but more importantly hes had so many injuries that its impossible to predict him staying healthy or fully developing to his potential. How can you go into a season with him as your "star" and feel confident that hes going to stay healthy?

I know im in the minority, but when i look at where i envision this team in 3 years, i dont picture him on the team

Last Guardian · Post #322 » by **Last Guardian** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:37 am

At this point I think the team is just deciding to sit him out this season. They may have brought him back if they were putting up a fight for a good season but they look like one of the worst teams of all time.

swarlesbarkley · Post #323 » by **swarlesbarkley** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:16 pm

Last Guardian wrote:At this point I think the team is just deciding to sit him out this season. They may have brought him back if they were putting up a fight for a good season but they look like one of the worst teams of all time.

Is there any data that says keeping a player out for 24 months after an ACL is any better than the typical 9-12 months? At some point his body will be healed and keeping him out for "medical" purposes will be a detriment to him as a player.

89Magicfan · Post #324 » by **89Magicfan** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:04 pm

Last Guardian wrote:At this point I think the team is just deciding to sit him out this season. They may have brought him back if they were putting up a fight for a good season but they look like one of the worst teams of all time.

I think they’re just building his body. Healing is one thing but building/rebuilding strength is another.

Didn’t they hire a new trainer?

I wouldn’t doubt if he’s been advised to take on a different regimen to strengthen his body. They maybe trying a different approach. Maybe even changing some of things he does for long term.

JF5 · Post #325 » by **JF5** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:53 pm

I think think they're doing stress rehabilitation type of program for Issac to make sure his body can handle the physicality of the NBA. His body wasn't clearly NBA ready and he had many injuries which proved it. I believe he could've returned at the start of the season but the Magic training staff wanted to make sure his body and more specifically his lower extremities were able combat his consistent leg injuries.

I wouldn't be surprised you see completely overhauled mechanical movements from him once he comes back. His jumpshot, his pivoting, his defensive stances, landing, and even the way he falls when he lands awkwardly after a play.

tooler · Post #326 » by **tooler** » Wed Dec 1, 2021 12:41 am

JF5 wrote:I think think they're doing stress rehabilitation type of program for Issac to make sure his body can handle the physicality of the NBA. His body wasn't clearly NBA ready and he had many injuries which proved it. I believe he could've returned at the start of the season but the Magic training staff wanted to make sure his body and more specifically his lower extremities were able combat his consistent leg injuries.

I wouldn't be surprised you see completely overhauled mechanical movements from him once he comes back. His jumpshot, his pivoting, his defensive stances, landing, and even the way he falls when he lands awkwardly after a play.

I want this to be true, but I can also see him coming back and absolutely nothing has changed. Hah!

basketballRob · Post #327 » by **basketballRob** » Wed Dec 1, 2021 1:37 am

swarlesbarkley wrote:
Last Guardian wrote:At this point I think the team is just deciding to sit him out this season. They may have brought him back if they were putting up a fight for a good season but they look like one of the worst teams of all time.

Is there any data that says keeping a player out for 24 months after an ACL is any better than the typical 9-12 months? At some point his body will be healed and keeping him out for "medical" purposes will be a detriment to him as a player.

Well it's been 15 months now and they say to truly be healed from an ACL takes around 14 months. My guess is he'll probably be a much better shooter when he comes back and maybe less blocks. Many other players haven't lost any athleticism coming back from an ACL.

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KillMonger · Post #328 » by **KillMonger** » Wed Dec 1, 2021 11:28 pm

basketballRob wrote:
swarlesbarkley wrote:
Last Guardian wrote:At this point I think the team is just deciding to sit him out this season. They may have brought him back if they were putting up a fight for a good season but they look like one of the worst teams of all time.

Is there any data that says keeping a player out for 24 months after an ACL is any better than the typical 9-12 months? At some point his body will be healed and keeping him out for "medical" purposes will be a detriment to him as a player.
Well it's been 15 months now and they say to truly be healed from an ACL takes around 14 months. My guess is he'll probably be a much better shooter when he comes back and maybe less blocks. Many other players haven't lost any athleticism coming back from an ACL.

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Wasn't it the ACL and the MCL he injured?

swarlesbarkley · Post #329 » by **swarlesbarkley** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 12:19 am

basketballRob wrote:
swarlesbarkley wrote:
Last Guardian wrote:At this point I think the team is just deciding to sit him out this season. They may have brought him back if they were putting up a fight for a good season but they look like one of the worst teams of all time.

Is there any data that says keeping a player out for 24 months after an ACL is any better than the typical 9-12 months? At some point his body will be healed and keeping him out for "medical" purposes will be a detriment to him as a player.
Well it's been 15 months now and they say to truly be healed from an ACL takes around 14 months. My guess is he'll probably be a much better shooter when he comes back and maybe less blocks. Many other players haven't lost any athleticism coming back from an ACL.

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Tomorrow is 16 months exactly. It's beyond the longest timeline and well beyond the typical return time. It's officially getting weird.

Optimus_Steel · Post #330 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 2:08 am

swarlesbarkley wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
swarlesbarkley wrote:
Is there any data that says keeping a player out for 24 months after an ACL is any better than the typical 9-12 months? At some point his body will be healed and keeping him out for "medical" purposes will be a detriment to him as a player.
Well it's been 15 months now and they say to truly be healed from an ACL takes around 14 months. My guess is he'll probably be a much better shooter when he comes back and maybe less blocks. Many other players haven't lost any athleticism coming back from an ACL.

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Tomorrow is 16 months exactly. It's beyond the longest timeline and well beyond the typical return time. It's officially getting weird.

There has to be more going on.

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swarlesbarkley · Post #331 » by **swarlesbarkley** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 4:44 am

Optimus_Steel wrote:
swarlesbarkley wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Well it's been 15 months now and they say to truly be healed from an ACL takes around 14 months. My guess is he'll probably be a much better shooter when he comes back and maybe less blocks. Many other players haven't lost any athleticism coming back from an ACL.

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Tomorrow is 16 months exactly. It's beyond the longest timeline and well beyond the typical return time. It's officially getting weird.
There has to be more going on.

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Isaac stating publicly that he's ready to play doesn't help the situation and confusion.

jezzerinho · Post #332 » by **jezzerinho** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 8:56 am

Hello? We're tanking!

Weltham need this high pick to save their azzes. This is likely their last rodeo. If they flame out in Orlando (and Martins/DeVos patience isn't infinite), their probably largely out of the league, certainly as GMs.

They're holding back JI and Fultz, they held back Cole till Suggs got injured, ditto Okeke. They're tanking hard, people.

I'm sure JI is using this vacation time to improve stuff, including his body. That might even be the official line. But the reality is he's being held back to help losses.

pepe1991 · Post #333 » by **pepe1991** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:35 am

jezzerinho wrote:Hello? We're tanking!

Weltham need this high pick to save their azzes. This is likely their last rodeo. If they flame out in Orlando (and Martins/DeVos patience isn't infinite), their probably largely out of the league, certainly as GMs.

They're holding back JI and Fultz, they held back Cole till Suggs got injured, ditto Okeke. They're tanking hard, people.

I'm sure JI is using this vacation time to improve stuff, including his body. That might even be the official line. But the reality is he's being held back to help losses.

They are out of nba regardless. Those guys are in mid 60s. We can't flush the toilet soon enough.

jezzerinho · Post #334 » by **jezzerinho** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 9:59 am

pepe1991 wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:Hello? We're tanking!

Weltham need this high pick to save their azzes. This is likely their last rodeo. If they flame out in Orlando (and Martins/DeVos patience isn't infinite), their probably largely out of the league, certainly as GMs.

They're holding back JI and Fultz, they held back Cole till Suggs got injured, ditto Okeke. They're tanking hard, people.

I'm sure JI is using this vacation time to improve stuff, including his body. That might even be the official line. But the reality is he's being held back to help losses.

They are out of nba regardless. Those guys are in mid 60s. We can't flush the toilet soon enough.

Agreed.

T-Cat · Post #335 » by **T-Cat** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 12:36 pm

jezzerinho wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:Hello? We're tanking!

Weltham need this high pick to save their azzes. This is likely their last rodeo. If they flame out in Orlando (and Martins/DeVos patience isn't infinite), their probably largely out of the league, certainly as GMs.

They're holding back JI and Fultz, they held back Cole till Suggs got injured, ditto Okeke. They're tanking hard, people.

I'm sure JI is using this vacation time to improve stuff, including his body. That might even be the official line. But the reality is he's being held back to help losses.

They are out of nba regardless. Those guys are in mid 60s. We can't flush the toilet soon enough.

Agreed.

Let's say we get the #1 pick, would you guys trade possibly Isaac, WCJ and picks for another potential high draft lottery pick to pick up Jabari Smith Jr.?

Chet Holmgren and JBJ in one draft!

Magic_Kingdom · Post #336 » by **Magic_Kingdom** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 12:46 pm

jezzerinho wrote:Hello? We're tanking!

Weltham need this high pick to save their azzes. This is likely their last rodeo. If they flame out in Orlando (and Martins/DeVos patience isn't infinite), their probably largely out of the league, certainly as GMs.

They're holding back JI and Fultz, they held back Cole till Suggs got injured, ditto Okeke. They're tanking hard, people.

I'm sure JI is using this vacation time to improve stuff, including his body. That might even be the official line. But the reality is he's being held back to help losses.

I think this is true for most of the Magic "injuries", and I used to think it was true about Isaac's. But this is too extreme to be a tanking tactic. Isaac has barely played in his career and is almost at a point of no return where it would be extremely unlikely for him to return to his prior form after being out this long. 16+ months is a long time out of basketball, and he's not even practicing. In Weltman's words, he's not even ramping up to the level of practicing. If Isaac is truly ready to play, does the team jeopardize the career of their best, highest-paid player in the name of tanking?

jezzerinho · Post #337 » by **jezzerinho** » Thu Dec 2, 2021 1:03 pm

Magic_Kingdom wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:Hello? We're tanking!

Weltham need this high pick to save their azzes. This is likely their last rodeo. If they flame out in Orlando (and Martins/DeVos patience isn't infinite), their probably largely out of the league, certainly as GMs.

They're holding back JI and Fultz, they held back Cole till Suggs got injured, ditto Okeke. They're tanking hard, people.

I'm sure JI is using this vacation time to improve stuff, including his body. That might even be the official line. But the reality is he's being held back to help losses.

I think this is true for most of the Magic "injuries", and I used to think it was true about Isaac's. But this is too extreme to be a tanking tactic. Isaac has barely played in his career and is almost at a point of no return where it would be extremely unlikely for him to return to his prior form after being out this long. 16+ months is a long time out of basketball, and he's not even practicing. In Weltman's words, he's not even ramping up to the level of practicing. If Isaac is truly ready to play, does the team jeopardize the career of their best, highest-paid player in the name of tanking?

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... it's a duck. That's my view. These guys extended JI so he's under contract and they are fighting for their careers. Whatever serves the common goal of tanking....

I Rasharted · Post #338 » by **I Rasharted** » Sat Dec 4, 2021 2:09 pm

Isaac?

Spoiler:

p0peye · Post #339 » by **p0peye** » Sat Dec 4, 2021 2:31 pm

Is Isaac vaccinated yet?

Magic_Kingdom · Post #340 » by **Magic_Kingdom** » Sat Dec 4, 2021 3:41 pm

jezzerinho wrote:
Magic_Kingdom wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:Hello? We're tanking!

Weltham need this high pick to save their azzes. This is likely their last rodeo. If they flame out in Orlando (and Martins/DeVos patience isn't infinite), their probably largely out of the league, certainly as GMs.

They're holding back JI and Fultz, they held back Cole till Suggs got injured, ditto Okeke. They're tanking hard, people.

I'm sure JI is using this vacation time to improve stuff, including his body. That might even be the official line. But the reality is he's being held back to help losses.

I think this is true for most of the Magic "injuries", and I used to think it was true about Isaac's. But this is too extreme to be a tanking tactic. Isaac has barely played in his career and is almost at a point of no return where it would be extremely unlikely for him to return to his prior form after being out this long. 16+ months is a long time out of basketball, and he's not even practicing. In Weltman's words, he's not even ramping up to the level of practicing. If Isaac is truly ready to play, does the team jeopardize the career of their best, highest-paid player in the name of tanking?

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... it's a duck. That's my view. These guys extended JI so he's under contract and they are fighting for their careers. Whatever serves the common goal of tanking....

You may be right and at this point anybody's guess is as good as any other. But if I'm ownership that's a tough sell for me. You just convinced me to write a $17.4 million check to Isaac for this season, and I'm on the hook for next season (at a minimum) as well. JI is going to need time to get back into game shape and get acclimated, so if he comes back at all this season it will be a virtual scratch. At this point does anyone really believe Isaac returning will lead to a significant increase in wins and damage the tanking effort? And if tanking is more important that Isaac's development, if he means that little, then why didn't they dump him instead of re-signing him?