2022-2023 Regular Season Game 60: Detroit Pistons (15-44) at Orlando Magic (24-35) - 7pm

[BCS]

Just funny how sure some of you are on him…

Someone has an opinion, tries to point out things as it happens during the game—continually by the way—to validate that opinion and they’re a troll?

lol Come on guys… My last comment that he sucks was definitely foolish, but all my other points are reasonable—EVERY TIME trying to layup or finger roll instead of playing like a 6’10” big, his low FG on volume shooting, his whiny/moping after weak takes and not getting back… He’s talented, he is not a player to build around as your number 1….

We have a 6'10" 250 pound POWER forward and coach Mosley has him camped out at the 3point line or trying to drive past everyone including guards. His bread and butter has always been elbow faceups and postups.

I'd also like to see Paolo+Fultz vs Paolo+Cole stats because I'm not sure Fultz is helping Paolo out there. I have a feeling something is going on there but haven't dug into the stats.

I always believed when staggering lineups it would be Paolo with Cole and Fultz with Franz, unfortunately Mose went the other way and I can understand why. But I honestly don't think Paolo and Cole play together that much besides a min or 2 per game, so don't even think there is enough data.

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[GameOver25]

Just funny how sure some of you are on him…

Someone has an opinion, tries to point out things as it happens during the game—continually by the way—to validate that opinion and they’re a troll?

lol Come on guys… My last comment that he sucks was definitely foolish, but all my other points are reasonable—EVERY TIME trying to layup or finger roll instead of playing like a 6’10” big, his low FG on volume shooting, his whiny/moping after weak takes and not getting back… He’s talented, he is not a player to build around as your number 1….

Now this is fair post and I don't have an issue with this take. I've noticed the same things. But I don't see it the same way you do at the moment. I just see a young frustrated rookie, so I'm not going to put too much stock into your takes because you're not being realistic. You even claim the talent is there, which we all see as well. So now comes the growth part. But go ahead and do you. When Paolo has played and plays well you're not around. When he struggles you can easily claim you were right all along, feeling validated. Win-Win for you no matter what the outcome is.

[AaronB]

Funny, but if Carter was not going to put the ball in at the end, Fultz would have. Fultz had a hand on the ball as well.

[basketballRob]

The Trailblazers lineup looks like they're going full tank now. I was hoping they'd stay in front of the Bulls.

Portland loses the pick if it's out of the lotto. They didn't bring Schmitz in for nothing

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[thelead]

The Trailblazers lineup looks like they're going full tank now. I was hoping they'd stay in front of the Bulls.

Portland loses the pick if it's out of the lotto. They didn't bring Schmitz in for nothing

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Just took a look because I haven't been following that storyline... Holy F.... what a tanktastic starting lineup. WTF happened to ALL of their real starters????

[Knightro]

Just took a look because I haven't been following that storyline... Holy F.... what a tanktastic starting lineup. WTF happened to ALL of their real starters????

Simons and Nurkic are legitimately hurt.

They opted to rest Lillard and Grant for... reasons?

[JTG_92940618]

Portland did the same thing last season too, right? They were wildly bad to end the season.

[JTG_92940618]

Also, 2 player lineups:

Fultz and Paolo = -5.1 net rating
Anthony and Paolo = -10.3 net rating

Fultz and Wanger = +0.9 net rating
Anthony and Wagner = +6.2 net rating

So, Fultz is better with Paolo (but bad overall) and Cole is better with Franz.

3 player lineups:

Fultz, Franz, and Paolo = +0.4
Anthony, Franz, and Paolo = +1.4

[Last Guardian]

We ain't winning this one. Clear as day

Never change man

[fendilim]

Just funny how sure some of you are on him…

Someone has an opinion, tries to point out things as it happens during the game—continually by the way—to validate that opinion and they’re a troll?

lol Come on guys… My last comment that he sucks was definitely foolish, but all my other points are reasonable—EVERY TIME trying to layup or finger roll instead of playing like a 6’10” big, his low FG on volume shooting, his whiny/moping after weak takes and not getting back… He’s talented, he is not a player to build around as your number 1….

Now this is fair post and I don't have an issue with this take. I've noticed the same things. But I don't see it the same way you do at the moment. I just see a young frustrated rookie, so I'm not going to put too much stock into your takes because you're not being realistic. You even claim the talent is there, which we all see as well. So now comes the growth part. But go ahead and do you. When Paolo has played and plays well you're not around. When he struggles you can easily claim you were right all along, feeling validated. Win-Win for you no matter what the outcome is.

i understand the concern especially for a number one option easily shaken because he’s on a slump. And he isnt exactly efficient as a player until he gets to improve his shooting.

But at the same time, the guy is still 19/20 years old. And hit a crucial midrange shot in the fourth.

Just let him be.

What’s nice is he was still able to get 6assists tonight too.

[thelead]

Also, 2 player lineups:

Fultz and Paolo = -5.1 net rating
Anthony and Paolo = -10.3 net rating

Fultz and Wanger = +0.9 net rating
Anthony and Wagner = +6.2 net rating

So, Fultz is better with Paolo (but bad overall) and Cole is better with Franz.

3 player lineups:

Fultz, Franz, and Paolo = +0.4
Anthony, Franz, and Paolo = +1.4

Good stats. I’m more wondering about Fultz’ affect on Paolo’s offense rather than their net rating. Good stuff nonetheless.

[pepe1991]

them mo wagner stats..

Did Memphis stat crew counted JJjr numbers or?

[pepe1991]

Paolo wasn't very effective college scorer either.
He is streaky- bad 3 point shooter and takes s*** loud of mid range jumpers that are bad shots by design.

He will be more effective once /and if he becomes more of a rolling big, instad of player who holds ball on perimeter. That thing won't be unlocked until you give him good PG.

Look at Randle this year with Brunson and last year without Brunson. Sure he averages 1 apg less, but his FG%, 3% eFG%, TS%, points scored, ppp all went up as soon as he was paired with player that does things that are natural to him, and also takes away forced things that Randle in theory *can* do, but probably shouldn't.

Banchero *can* create offense for team, but that offense will never be good offense. It will just help him fill stat sheet and tank his efficiency. There is good reason why 6'10 PGs are still just mythical creatures and nobody but Magic Johnson actually ever had any sucess with it. Go on court and see ballhandling by average 6'0 player and 6'7 person, their reaction speed, their shift of gears, their change of pace and you will quickly learn why not being too big is still very beneficial as PG.

[drsd]

them mo wagner stats..

So Rudy Gobert was traded for a bunch of stuff that included Walker Kessler. And Kessler is the better rim protector. Classic!

[drsd]

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[drsd]

[drsd]

With this win, Orlando is 1/2 game back from being the 6th worst team. The Magic is still 4 games out of the play-ins.

Orlando is also only 1 game back in the Win column from Chicago.

[drsd]

Difficult to find the glass-half full here. It is odd to win a game where the FG% battle is lost. And furthermore, Orlando got smoked in 3-pt FG%.

But why Orlando won this game is clear: Orlando DOMINATED in total possessions. Not only did the Magic take 14 more FG attempts. The Magic also took more FTs. But Orlando was not better rebounding (only +1 here).

So, the glass-half full stat that led to this win is TO-differential of all things.

[drsd]

The NBA put the whole end of the game, with the last 3 minutes:

Watch on YouTube

[Message Boar]

Difficult to find the glass-half full here. It is odd to win a game where the FG% battle is lost. And furthermore, Orlando got smoked in 3-pt FG%.

But why Orlando won this game is clear: Orlando DOMINATED in total possessions. Not only did the Magic take 14 more FG attempts. The Magic also took more FTs. But Orlando was not better rebounding (only +1 here).

So, the glass-half full stat that led to this win is TO-differential of all things.

Double the amount of o-rebs is big, too. We didn't win the rebounding battle because Detroit was making so many of their jump shots, hence no cheap defensive rebound. Also means less opportunities for Detroit to offensive rebounds, but not to the point we should be doubling them up in that category.

The glass half-full element could also simply be that Detroit was red-hot shooting the ball, and we weren't. Yet we still managed to win.