Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0

[drsd]

Good players are expensive. You end up paying somebody money anyway.

And-1

Orlando will soon have 110M a year tied up in three players' salaries: Banchero, F-Wagner, and Suggs. Payroll is gonna be a thing moving forward. And frankly, this off season is the only chance the Magic has to get a quality guard.

From 2025/26, a lot of new players will be at LLE, 1/2X MLE and rookie level deals. That's it.

[drsd]

Do any of you actually trust Mr. Evaluate What We Have Weltman to get aggressive and actually change 4-5 of the rotation players from this year’s team?

Why in the hell would you change 4-5 players? This has been a good to great season.

well, if you look at the roster.

Okeke - gone
Goga - gone
Fultz - gone
Houstan - tbd
Harris - tbd
Ingles - tbd
Mo - tbd

so depending on any possible trades, that could be 4-5 players changed

You think it is "certain" Bitadze walks?


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[p0peye]

There is no universe in which Magic roster doesn't have a huge turnover of players going two years from now, it is financial inevitability. Only question is are we committed to winning by bringing in difference makers or we play it safe with bench warmers.

If we think Paolo/Franz/Suggs is our version of Tatum/Brown/Smart or Jokić/Murray/Harris, then others are essentially revolving door of players as we search for the right combination of skills around them. It will take time to find it and therefor we should not waste time and start searching as soon as clock ticks midnight on July 1st.

[tiderulz]

Why in the hell would you change 4-5 players? This has been a good to great season.

well, if you look at the roster.

Okeke - gone
Goga - gone
Fultz - gone
Houstan - tbd
Harris - tbd
Ingles - tbd
Mo - tbd

so depending on any possible trades, that could be 4-5 players changed

You think it is "certain" Bitadze walks?


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I do. he isnt going to sit here as the 3rd string center collecting DNP - coaching decision.

[JoshuaPotter]

Good players are expensive. You end up paying somebody money anyway.

And-1

Orlando will soon have 110M a year tied up in three players' salaries: Banchero, F-Wagner, and Suggs. Payroll is gonna be a thing moving forward. And frankly, this off season is the only chance the Magic has to get a quality guard.

From 2025/26, a lot of new players will be at LLE, 1/2X MLE and rookie level deals. That's it.

This is assuming Black and Jett don't pay off in terms of evolving into something.

Rough.

[drsd]

Good players are expensive. You end up paying somebody money anyway.

And-1

Orlando will soon have 110M a year tied up in three players' salaries: Banchero, F-Wagner, and Suggs. Payroll is gonna be a thing moving forward. And frankly, this off season is the only chance the Magic has to get a quality guard.

From 2025/26, a lot of new players will be at LLE, 1/2X MLE and rookie level deals. That's it.

This is assuming Black and Jett don't pay off in terms of evolving into something.

Rough.

They fit into the narrative of, "...LLE, 1/2X MLE and rookie level deals...".

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I think Ingles will be back because he's like having another coach.

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if Ingles is back he better be getting DNP's and just used as a coach like you said

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Do any of you actually trust Mr. Evaluate What We Have Weltman to get aggressive and actually change 4-5 of the rotation players from this year’s team?

Why in the hell would you change 4-5 players? This has been a good to great season.

well, if you look at the roster.

Okeke - gone
Goga - gone
Fultz - gone
Houstan - tbd
Harris - tbd
Ingles - tbd
Mo - tbd

so depending on any possible trades, that could be 4-5 players changed

Sad part is I see them offering Gary another small deal because they know what they have vs making an actual decision. Mo should stay as a bench C dude can get points and is a physical player. Ingles can get DNP's and be that vet rofl. No way Houstan isn't picked up.

So that leaves Okeke, Goga, Fultz which moves Jett & Black into consistent minutes. It's actually pretty scary that they can make another bigger 2 year deal ala Ingles and run it back.

[basketballRob]

After watching all these 3 guard lineups for the last month, it makes me think they may bring in 2 forwards to replace Chuma and Fultz. One draft pick and one free agent.

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[Knightro]

When will people figure FVV contract was signed because Rockets needed to fill up salary cap, had no 2024 first round pick AND only signed him on 2+1 years ?

FVV can be in last year of his contract next year. His 2025-2026 contract, $44,8M is team's option.

If FVV suck next year they can simply drop him.

Trent is so some much of a better fit than VanVleet, anyhow. And a 80M three year deal, or 110M four year deal probably gets that deal done.

p.s. I am giddy at the idea of flipping G-Harris and Fultz contracts into a Trent signing. PLEASE!

Minus the fact that FVV is a good player and Trent is a bad player.

[Knightro]

Do any of you actually trust Mr. Evaluate What We Have Weltman to get aggressive and actually change 4-5 of the rotation players from this year’s team?

Why in the hell would you change 4-5 players? This has been a good to great season.

It's been a good season relative to initial expectations.

But what's next? How do they level up?

By finding upgrades to Fultz, Cole, Ingles, Harris and maybe Carter too.

[OrlChamps2030]

And Houston is now pay $43 mill a year for a 17pnt 8 ast 17% usages rate ...point guard that would take away the facilitating duties which we wanted our Paolo and Franz to grow into. This might have made us to take a step back..... but those two continued to grow into those roles..... and now we are a young team in the playoffs.

Now we know what they are a lil more than last season.... and hopefully we use the money even better this year. Whether that is a big catch or.... smaller deals or resigning that would help us to push this even further.

For some reason I feel like this season will show us a lot!

I just dont buy into the whole "We wouldnt be able to see Paolo & Franz grow into their skills if we had a legit PG" narrative.

FVV's usage is only 19.6%, and has gone up past couple weeks due to Sengun being out. For comparison sake, Fultz is at 19.1% usage this season.

FVV could have allowed us to see more growth from Paolo & Franz, by simultaneously giving them another ball handler to lean into and set them up for more easy baskets & far better spacing. He's making 3 3's a game at 38.0%!

So many posters acted like FVV would be ball hogging away from Paolo & Franz but he clearly hasnt held back Sengun or Jalen Green's development.

Agree...it's a ridiculous narrative. Paolo would laugh at anyone suggesting that a real PG or additional backcourt scoring is unnecessary because "he can just do it".

Agreed on it being a ridiculous narrative

Pure cope IMO

[yoyojw17]

And Houston is now pay $43 mill a year for a 17pnt 8 ast 17% usages rate ...point guard that would take away the facilitating duties which we wanted our Paolo and Franz to grow into. This might have made us to take a step back..... but those two continued to grow into those roles..... and now we are a young team in the playoffs.

Now we know what they are a lil more than last season.... and hopefully we use the money even better this year. Whether that is a big catch or.... smaller deals or resigning that would help us to push this even further.

For some reason I feel like this season will show us a lot!

I just dont buy into the whole "We wouldnt be able to see Paolo & Franz grow into their skills if we had a legit PG" narrative.

FVV's usage is only 19.6%, and has gone up past couple weeks due to Sengun being out. For comparison sake, Fultz is at 19.1% usage this season.

FVV could have allowed us to see more growth from Paolo & Franz, by simultaneously giving them another ball handler to lean into and set them up for more easy baskets & far better spacing. He's making 3 3's a game at 38.0%!

So many posters acted like FVV would be ball hogging away from Paolo & Franz but he clearly hasnt held back Sengun or Jalen Green's development.

Agree...it's a ridiculous narrative. Paolo would laugh at anyone suggesting that a real PG or additional backcourt scoring is unnecessary because "he can just do it".

There is no narrative. The point was going out and spending $45 million on that individual.... IF you want to give these players a certain level of burn. It's about the timing. It's very obvious that they wanted to feature them ... look at the usage of any of the pg that have played. Would they have developed well... probably.... would they have developed the same.... probably not. It was more important for Houston to have a distributor from the perimeter.... but we have two forwards that are 6'10" and play predominantly outside in right now. Geez.... some of you'll attach to one part of something and then run with it to creative your own narrative of what someone is saying. Lol

[pepe1991]

There is no funcional benefit of Paolo playing "point guard" but get him to allstar game.

[CocoaFan]

Do any of you actually trust Mr. Evaluate What We Have Weltman to get aggressive and actually change 4-5 of the rotation players from this year’s team?

I don't trust him to make the 4-5 roster changes that need to be made but I think he's almost forced to bring in a new guard to the starting rotation to replace Fultz whether that be Russell, Monk, Grayson or Trent Jr. or even Tyus Jones or Klay. They move very slow and methodically. They should be looking for a trade for Carter Jr. and Cole but I'm sure they're thinking they'll give them 1 more year. In reality Harris, Ingles and Chuma should also be let go.

[Skybox]

When will people figure FVV contract was signed because Rockets needed to fill up salary cap, had no 2024 first round pick AND only signed him on 2+1 years ?

FVV can be in last year of his contract next year. His 2025-2026 contract, $44,8M is team's option.

If FVV suck next year they can simply drop him.

Trent is so some much of a better fit than VanVleet, anyhow. And a 80M three year deal, or 110M four year deal probably gets that deal done.

p.s. I am giddy at the idea of flipping G-Harris and Fultz contracts into a Trent signing. PLEASE!

Why would you pay GTJ $25m+ when Beasley is making vet min?

Side by side, I take GTJ, but the on-court disparity isn't great...FVV would have made us a legit threat heading into the playoffs - a favorite in a lot of matchups. He has shown he can lead a team, facilitate for other, better players and he can carry a team for an occasional game if needed.

[Knightro]

Do any of you actually trust Mr. Evaluate What We Have Weltman to get aggressive and actually change 4-5 of the rotation players from this year’s team?

I don't trust him to make the 4-5 roster changes that need to be made but I think he's almost forced to bring in a new guard to the starting rotation to replace Fultz whether that be Russell, Monk, Grayson or Trent Jr. or even Tyus Jones or Klay. They move very slow and methodically. They should be looking for a trade for Carter Jr. and Cole but I'm sure they're thinking they'll give them 1 more year. In reality Harris, Ingles and Chuma should also be let go.

I agree with you.

To me, the only *no questions asked* keepers are Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Isaac and Black. That's it.

Everyone else COULD be moved (not all of them will be obviously) for the right deal.

[Skybox]

I just dont buy into the whole "We wouldnt be able to see Paolo & Franz grow into their skills if we had a legit PG" narrative.

FVV's usage is only 19.6%, and has gone up past couple weeks due to Sengun being out. For comparison sake, Fultz is at 19.1% usage this season.

FVV could have allowed us to see more growth from Paolo & Franz, by simultaneously giving them another ball handler to lean into and set them up for more easy baskets & far better spacing. He's making 3 3's a game at 38.0%!

So many posters acted like FVV would be ball hogging away from Paolo & Franz but he clearly hasnt held back Sengun or Jalen Green's development.

Agree...it's a ridiculous narrative. Paolo would laugh at anyone suggesting that a real PG or additional backcourt scoring is unnecessary because "he can just do it".

There is no narrative. The point was going out and spending $45 million on that individual.... IF you want to give these players a certain level of burn. It's about the timing. It's very obvious that they wanted to feature them ... look at the usage of any of the pg that have played. Would they have developed well... probably.... would they have developed the same.... probably not. It was more important for Houston to have a distributor from the perimeter.... but we have two forwards that are 6'10" and play predominantly outside in right now. Geez.... some of you'll attach to one part of something and then run with it to creative your own narrative of what someone is saying. Lol

...and some of you will casually throw away a season to learn something about a player. Paolo and Franz are here. NOW. Just because they're young doesn't mean ORL has to be a laboratory...in fact, it's incredibly fortunate to be ahead of schedule, not something to piss away as another "analysis year".

[Skybox]

Good players are expensive. You end up paying somebody money anyway.

And-1

Orlando will soon have 110M a year tied up in three players' salaries: Banchero, F-Wagner, and Suggs. Payroll is gonna be a thing moving forward. And frankly, this off season is the only chance the Magic has to get a quality guard.

From 2025/26, a lot of new players will be at LLE, 1/2X MLE and rookie level deals. That's it.

Right. Next opportunity will involve trading one of our core guys...so do it now.

[Skybox]

I think Ingles will be back because he's like having another coach.

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if Ingles is back he better be getting DNP's and just used as a coach like you said

Why pay him $11m to be a fun coach? If he's not worth $11m on the court - find a real assistant coach that doesn't count against the salary cap. I'm not out on Ingles, but the analysis can't be totally based on his intangibles...he needs to still be a contributor on the court. He may end up impactful in the playoffs with his pro demeanor and clever playmaking...but if not, that was fun. Great guy.