All things Anfernee Simons

[JRoy]

and i dont think magic that desperate for one way short guard that misses 25% of his games making 26 mill a yr that only shoots 3s no other real skill.

Simons definitely has his warts but he has the skill that ORL needs.

If a deal cannot be found that works for both sides then there is no deal to be made.

Sometimes the best deal is the one you don’t make.

Just trying to figure out what it might take from Portland's point of view to get a deal done. I'm not a big Cole fan so getting Brogdan as a good vet backup and getting rid of Cole sweetened the deal for me. Magic's best bet if Dejonte isn't a good fit (personality) would probably be signing Monk and not giving up any assets.

Monk isn’t a starter, or the shooter Simons is. He’s bad defensively but not as awful as Simons on that end.

[CocoaFan]

Simons definitely has his warts but he has the skill that ORL needs.

If a deal cannot be found that works for both sides then there is no deal to be made.

Sometimes the best deal is the one you don’t make.

Just trying to figure out what it might take from Portland's point of view to get a deal done. I'm not a big Cole fan so getting Brogdan as a good vet backup and getting rid of Cole sweetened the deal for me. Magic's best bet if Dejonte isn't a good fit (personality) would probably be signing Monk and not giving up any assets.

Monk isn’t a starter, or the shooter Simons is. He’s bad defensively but not as awful as Simons on that end.

That's the rub. Magic would need Monk to start if they're going to spend $20+M/year on him. Do you think Simons could start at point for the Magic? Obviously wouldn't be full time playmaker with Paolo and Franz. Would he be a good fit? Best choice would be Murray but I'm not sure he would fit Magic's culture. Magic front office needs to decide which guy fits best and go strong after them. Their history is being non-aggressive and letting other teams come to them.

[basketballRob]

I don't think Simons gets moved until the next offseason. He'll be eligible for an extension, and the club that trades for him will already work out the details. We wouldn't want to spend assets on him and have Bill Duffy demand a max extension next offseason.

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[JRoy]

Just trying to figure out what it might take from Portland's point of view to get a deal done. I'm not a big Cole fan so getting Brogdan as a good vet backup and getting rid of Cole sweetened the deal for me. Magic's best bet if Dejonte isn't a good fit (personality) would probably be signing Monk and not giving up any assets.

Monk isn’t a starter, or the shooter Simons is. He’s bad defensively but not as awful as Simons on that end.

That's the rub. Magic would need Monk to start if they're going to spend $20+M/year on him. Do you think Simons could start at point for the Magic? Obviously wouldn't be full time playmaker with Paolo and Franz. Would he be a good fit? Best choice would be Murray but I'm not sure he would fit Magic's culture. Magic front office needs to decide which guy fits best and go strong after them. Their history is being non-aggressive and letting other teams come to them.

Simons is an adequate secondary playmaker so he can do that. He will need help on defense.

[CocoaFan]

Monk isn’t a starter, or the shooter Simons is. He’s bad defensively but not as awful as Simons on that end.

That's the rub. Magic would need Monk to start if they're going to spend $20+M/year on him. Do you think Simons could start at point for the Magic? Obviously wouldn't be full time playmaker with Paolo and Franz. Would he be a good fit? Best choice would be Murray but I'm not sure he would fit Magic's culture. Magic front office needs to decide which guy fits best and go strong after them. Their history is being non-aggressive and letting other teams come to them.

Simons is an adequate secondary playmaker so he can do that. He will need help on defense.

Weight room and Mosely coaching?

[JRoy]

That's the rub. Magic would need Monk to start if they're going to spend $20+M/year on him. Do you think Simons could start at point for the Magic? Obviously wouldn't be full time playmaker with Paolo and Franz. Would he be a good fit? Best choice would be Murray but I'm not sure he would fit Magic's culture. Magic front office needs to decide which guy fits best and go strong after them. Their history is being non-aggressive and letting other teams come to them.

Simons is an adequate secondary playmaker so he can do that. He will need help on defense.

Weight room and Mosely coaching?

Couldn’t hurt.

[Skybox]

Simons is an adequate secondary playmaker so he can do that. He will need help on defense.

Weight room and Mosely coaching?

Couldn’t hurt.

I don't think the contagious impact of helping Suggs off the floor after every play can be ignored either. Suggs' joyful ferocity is infectious...and Simons has the tools to join in.

[CocoaFan]

Weight room and Mosely coaching?

Couldn’t hurt.

I don't think the contagious impact of helping Suggs off the floor after every play can be ignored either. Suggs' joyful ferocity is infectious...and Simons has the tools to join in.

Good point. Players will also hold him accountable.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Any package for Simons would revolve around
Cole + Dell + Two FRPs (ours and Denver’s) and maybe Howard. I don’t think that’s the best offer they could get.

Having Suggs + Mosleys defensive system in plays is enough to mask his shortcomings as a defender imo. Not everyone is going to be great defensively. At this point a proven scorer is an absolute need for this team. I don’t what we’d do at center though.

[Skybox]

Any package for Simons would revolve around
Cole + Dell + Two FRPs (ours and Denver’s) and maybe Howard. I don’t think that’s the best offer they could get.

Having Suggs + Mosleys defensive system in plays is enough to mask his shortcomings as a defender imo. Not everyone is going to be great defensively. At this point a proven scorer is an absolute need for this team. I don’t what we’d do at center though.

I don't think it would take that much...as you've heard here, over and over, he's not that complete or valuable a player...he'd just be a great fit here...POR is stuck with Ayton, they might not want Wendell. Pretty sure they won't want Cole, for the same reasons they'd move Simons...on the other hand, he costs half the salary for a sixth man. I'd like to insist on sending Cole out for salary reasons in any big trade, as I expect him to lose his spot if Black and Jett wake up (not to mention new adds) and $13m is no longer a bargain for a redundant player...I think it's fair salary for Cole, but no longer right for ORL, imo.

[tiderulz]

Any package for Simons would revolve around
Cole + Dell + Two FRPs (ours and Denver’s) and maybe Howard. I don’t think that’s the best offer they could get.

Having Suggs + Mosleys defensive system in plays is enough to mask his shortcomings as a defender imo. Not everyone is going to be great defensively. At this point a proven scorer is an absolute need for this team. I don’t what we’d do at center though.

completely disagree. there are not a whole lot of teams looking for what he provides. That package is closer to what it would take for Dejounte.

[JRoy]

Any package for Simons would revolve around
Cole + Dell + Two FRPs (ours and Denver’s) and maybe Howard. I don’t think that’s the best offer they could get.

Having Suggs + Mosleys defensive system in plays is enough to mask his shortcomings as a defender imo. Not everyone is going to be great defensively. At this point a proven scorer is an absolute need for this team. I don’t what we’d do at center though.

I don't think it would take that much...as you've heard here, over and over, he's not that complete or valuable a player...he'd just be a great fit here...POR is stuck with Ayton, they might not want Wendell. Pretty sure they won't want Cole, for the same reasons they'd move Simons...on the other hand, he costs half the salary for a sixth man. I'd like to insist on sending Cole out for salary reasons in any big trade, as I expect him to lose his spot if Black and Jett wake up (not to mention new adds) and $13m is no longer a bargain for a redundant player...I think it's fair salary for Cole, but no longer right for ORL, imo.

Zero interest in Anthony.

[Residual-Heat]

Anthony can turn into a decent asset for the Blazers if he can get his 3pt shooting back to where it was last season. He will put up decent numbers on the Blazers, and he's only on a 2 year, 12 mill/yr contract. He's a great locker room presence too. Hold on to him and trade him to a contender at the deadline. At worst, if his 3pt shooting doesnt improve, you trade him for a shooter.

He can also just be re-routed in a three team trade instead. Ive seen Mavs fans suggest Cole for THj.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Any package for Simons would revolve around
Cole + Dell + Two FRPs (ours and Denver’s) and maybe Howard. I don’t think that’s the best offer they could get.

Having Suggs + Mosleys defensive system in plays is enough to mask his shortcomings as a defender imo. Not everyone is going to be great defensively. At this point a proven scorer is an absolute need for this team. I don’t what we’d do at center though.

completely disagree. there are not a whole lot of teams looking for what he provides. That package is closer to what it would take for Dejounte.

Who's he? And what would a package for Dejounte look like?

Zero interest in Anthony.

You may not but he’d slot in as a 6th man and have no impact on SS or SH’s development.

I don't think it would take that much...as you've heard here, over and over, he's not that complete or valuable a player...he'd just be a great fit here...POR is stuck with Ayton, they might not want Wendell. Pretty sure they won't want Cole, for the same reasons they'd move Simons...on the other hand, he costs half the salary for a sixth man...

again…people here may have an opinion on his value, but Portland probably thinks otherwise. You’re right POR may be blowing the whole thing up but imo WCJ and Cole are purely for depth and would probably help them gradually improve. I think they wouldn’t take Black for the same reasons they’d theoretically want to move Simons. I don’t think CA falls into that category.

[Rainwater]

Simons definitely has his warts but he has the skill that ORL needs.

If a deal cannot be found that works for both sides then there is no deal to be made.

Sometimes the best deal is the one you don’t make.

Just trying to figure out what it might take from Portland's point of view to get a deal done. I'm not a big Cole fan so getting Brogdan as a good vet backup and getting rid of Cole sweetened the deal for me. Magic's best bet if Dejonte isn't a good fit (personality) would probably be signing Monk and not giving up any assets.

Monk isn’t a starter, or the shooter Simons is. He’s bad defensively but not as awful as Simons on that end.

This is the biggest issue.

[orlando_joe]

Just trying to figure out what it might take from Portland's point of view to get a deal done. I'm not a big Cole fan so getting Brogdan as a good vet backup and getting rid of Cole sweetened the deal for me. Magic's best bet if Dejonte isn't a good fit (personality) would probably be signing Monk and not giving up any assets.

Monk isn’t a starter, or the shooter Simons is. He’s bad defensively but not as awful as Simons on that end.

This is the biggest issue.

i have always thought of simons as a great 6th man also...very highly paid one...the closer it gets the more i think just throw black in

[cedric76]

Monk isn’t a starter, or the shooter Simons is. He’s bad defensively but not as awful as Simons on that end.

This is the biggest issue.

i have always thought of simons as a great 6th man also...very highly paid one...the closer it gets the more i think just throw black in

Atm i d rather get Monk for many reasons (contract length, Free agent, playmaking, etc..) but you cant ignore that Simons has the tools to be a very good defender if taught properly and if he has the Will to do so

[Skin]

I'm not interested in Simons. He's a volume shooter and could disrupt ball movement. That's not what Paolo wants.

Plus, I don't see how he would even be a significant upgrade over Jett Howard.

[tiderulz]

Any package for Simons would revolve around
Cole + Dell + Two FRPs (ours and Denver’s) and maybe Howard. I don’t think that’s the best offer they could get.

Having Suggs + Mosleys defensive system in plays is enough to mask his shortcomings as a defender imo. Not everyone is going to be great defensively. At this point a proven scorer is an absolute need for this team. I don’t what we’d do at center though.

completely disagree. there are not a whole lot of teams looking for what he provides. That package is closer to what it would take for Dejounte.

Who's he? And what would a package for Dejounte look like?

"He" is Simons. not that many teams looking for what he is.

[tiderulz]

I'm not interested in Simons. He's a volume shooter and could disrupt ball movement. That's not what Paolo wants.

Plus, I don't see how he would even be a significant upgrade over Jett Howard.

one is a legit 20 ppg scorer in the NBA. the other spent most of the year in the G league