2024-2025 Regular Season Game 69: Orlando Magic (31-37) at Cleveland Cavaliers (56-10) - 1pm

BadMofoPimp · Post #321 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 2:45 am

ogmagicfan wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Difference between this game and the losses is that Jett didn't play.

AB proving them wrong!!

He had his one good game in five at the right time!

GelbeWand09 · Post #322 » by **GelbeWand09** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:51 am

FFBlitzace wrote:This Cavs team won't win the championship. I don't say that just because they lost today. Everybody's gotta lose sometimes, and they haven't lost many this season. No, I say it because I don't think they're serious enough. Things have gone right for them this year without too much adversity. They spend way too much time grandstanding and showing off. When a good team really comes at them in the playoffs, I see them crumbling.

Biggest problem for me is, they rely on a 6'2 SG, who's game is to drive to the hoop, as the No. 1 scorer. He just gonna have more 7/23 like games than Giannis, Joker & Co.

drsd · Post #323 » by **drsd** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:30 am

Box-score thoughts:
Orlando won the FG% battle and won the game.
Given that the Magic was only at 42% themselves, this explains the Cavs taking 15 more FGAs and losing.

The Magic actually smoked the Cavs in eFG% though. Horrible 2-pt shooting and ace 3pt shooting. How odd for the Magic.

In the end the Magic won the game by all their free points. Beautiful! Solid 79.4% shooting on 34 attempts from the charity stripe.
The Magic made FT-differential was a staggering 14. I love it. 14 free point. Nice!

My favorite box-score stat: Gary "zombie" Harris took only one FG attempt all game but finished a team high on plus-minus at +17.
:lol:

T-Cat · Post #324 » by **T-Cat** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:37 am

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Why is Paolo Banchero always handling the ball? If we are going to be serious about winning next season, we have to have a REAL offensive strategy and that's not letting Paolo handling the rock...he's turnover prone! :banghead:

He tries to do everything for us and it's not necessary! (Ala Joel Embiid handling the ball at the top of the key)

CalOrl11 · Post #325 » by **CalOrl11** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:33 am

How many times do I have to hear "when AB is aggressive he's a problem"? He has 1 good game, fans or Mosely says that, and then he goes missing for the next 10.

Optimus_Steel · Post #326 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:42 am

meatwad4343 wrote:Why does Issac get less than ten minutes a game? Is he hurt or something? Are they saving him for the play in?

Cle team not a good matchup for him.

Optimus_Steel · Post #327 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:44 am

GelbeWand09 wrote:
FFBlitzace wrote:This Cavs team won't win the championship. I don't say that just because they lost today. Everybody's gotta lose sometimes, and they haven't lost many this season. No, I say it because I don't think they're serious enough. Things have gone right for them this year without too much adversity. They spend way too much time grandstanding and showing off. When a good team really comes at them in the playoffs, I see them crumbling.

Biggest problem for me is, they rely on a 6'2 SG, who's game is to drive to the hoop, as the No. 1 scorer. He just gonna have more 7/23 like games than Giannis, Joker & Co.

Actually their biggest weakness is that Garland, their #2, crumbles under pressure. He makes so mental errors in critical moments.

pepe1991 · Post #328 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:02 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
FFBlitzace wrote:This Cavs team won't win the championship. I don't say that just because they lost today. Everybody's gotta lose sometimes, and they haven't lost many this season. No, I say it because I don't think they're serious enough. Things have gone right for them this year without too much adversity. They spend way too much time grandstanding and showing off. When a good team really comes at them in the playoffs, I see them crumbling.

Biggest problem for me is, they rely on a 6'2 SG, who's game is to drive to the hoop, as the No. 1 scorer. He just gonna have more 7/23 like games than Giannis, Joker & Co.

Actually their biggest weakness is that Garland, their #2, crumbles under pressure. He makes so mental errors in critical moments.

You can make case Mobley is their best player anyway.

Their ability to always have one of two bigs that are great rim protectors ( especially Mobley) on the floor is big difference for them.

Getting anything but Cavs- Celtics in ECF would be shocking.

Nobody else on East comes close. Knicks have issues with better teams, Bucks are unpredictable and unbalanced, Pistons lack talent, much like all the play in teams.

West is wild. Beating OKC will be tough task for any team. But in same time playing Lebron- Luka & Butler-Curry won't be fun.

AdamTheGreek · Post #329 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:03 pm

GelbeWand09 wrote:
FFBlitzace wrote:This Cavs team won't win the championship. I don't say that just because they lost today. Everybody's gotta lose sometimes, and they haven't lost many this season. No, I say it because I don't think they're serious enough. Things have gone right for them this year without too much adversity. They spend way too much time grandstanding and showing off. When a good team really comes at them in the playoffs, I see them crumbling.

Biggest problem for me is, they rely on a 6'2 SG, who's game is to drive to the hoop, as the No. 1 scorer. He just gonna have more 7/23 like games than Giannis, Joker & Co.

Mitchell’s 6’9” wingspan offsets his height. That’s why he had that awesome dunk today.

They didn’t have Mobley (we didn’t have Jalen and Mo). Mobley has been unlocked under Atkinson.
That and let’s not pretend we weren’t fortunate they missed a ton of open 3s.
I think this result was basketball karma for Ty Jerome talking ****.

The East runs through Cleveland and Boston. Only injuries will derail that.

89Magicfan · Post #330 » by **89Magicfan** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:41 pm

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Why is Paolo Banchero always handling the ball? If we are going to be serious about winning next season, we have to have a REAL offensive strategy and that's not letting Paolo handling the rock...he's turnover prone!

He tries to do everything for us and it's not necessary! (Ala Joel Embiid handling the ball at the top of the key)

He’s the best we got currently

Post #331 » by **eyriq** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:45 pm

AdamTheGreek wrote:
Mitchell’s 6’9” wingspan offsets his height. That’s why he had that awesome dunk today.

They didn’t have Mobley (we didn’t have Jalen and Mo). Mobley has been unlocked under Atkinson.
That and let’s not pretend we weren’t fortunate they missed a ton of open 3s.
I think this result was basketball karma for Ty Jerome talking ****.

The East runs through Cleveland and Boston. Only injuries will derail that.

Yup. This game was less about the Cavs and more about the Magic finding themselves after a long journey in the wilderness. We haven't played Magic basketball in a while it seems.

yoyojw17 · Post #332 » by **yoyojw17** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:00 pm

89Magicfan wrote:
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Why is Paolo Banchero always handling the ball? If we are going to be serious about winning next season, we have to have a REAL offensive strategy and that's not letting Paolo handling the rock...he's turnover prone!

He tries to do everything for us and it's not necessary! (Ala Joel Embiid handling the ball at the top of the key)

He’s the best we got currently

Let the guy figure things out. We talk about experience for the young players ... And most of that is usually focused on the AB and Jetts on our team.... Because there is potential that we haven't seen or gotten consistently.

Similarly ... Paolo and Franz are works in progress as well. The ball should be in their hands at this point so that they can learn what to do with it in the future. And sadly.... It sucks that it takes opportunities for failure to find their limits and eventually hopefully this successes.

Shoot.... He made that comment about needing a tablesetter but we don't know what is said behind closed doors... It could literally be a "hey Paolo... We want to see the depths of your capabilities as a primary ball handler.... Go out there and be the man.... Work to success because the best version of yourself is the one that scores and facilitates"

The Paolo injury gave rise to Franz .. and we are seeing that we have another playmaker in the making as well.

This does not take away the need for a playmaker at all.... I think it will eventually still happen... And praying suggs and AB fill in those roles even more. Lol... They are still learning too.

This is Cade Cunningham's 4th year as a lead ball handler ... And this season is the year that I look at him and say... "Dang I wish we had Cunningham" ... As before... He was not as much of the leader that I see him as now.... He was just their best player.

We will see.... But I'm excited bout this team still ... As sans these injuries ... I do not believe that we would be as disappointed in this season.

Audi · Post #333 » by **Audi** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:51 pm

Apologies if this got covered somewhere, but is this just extremely high BBIQ or a travel or out of bounds or a self-pass by Franz?

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Skybox · Post #334 » by **Skybox** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:05 pm

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Why is Paolo Banchero always handling the ball? If we are going to be serious about winning next season, we have to have a REAL offensive strategy and that's not letting Paolo handling the rock...he's turnover prone!

He tries to do everything for us and it's not necessary! (Ala Joel Embiid handling the ball at the top of the key)

Is this just a fun thing to say or are you on Eyriq's burner?

You are correct that 6'10 Banchero's handles aren't where you'd want an NBA PG to be. But...
Paolo...4.7 apg, 2.8 TO's pg, in 34.1 mpg (1.7 Ast/TO) and probably 10x the amount of on-ball time (10x might actually be accurate)

AB...3 apg, 1.7 TO's pg, in 23.7 mpg (1.8 Ast/TO) while mostly standing in the corner watching Paolo and Franz do their thing

Paolo's far from perfect as a PG...but he shouldn't be. Maybe compare our PG to another PG and see how that looks. Might also mention that 3 apg in 23.7 minutes isn't even a PG number...Paolo gets 4.7 while being a "selfish, inefficient black hole" :noway:

Skybox · Post #335 » by **Skybox** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:07 pm

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Why is Paolo Banchero always handling the ball? If we are going to be serious about winning next season, we have to have a REAL offensive strategy and that's not letting Paolo handling the rock...he's turnover prone!

He tries to do everything for us and it's not necessary! (Ala Joel Embiid handling the ball at the top of the key)

Is this just a fun thing to say or are you on Eyriq's burner?

You are correct that 6'10 Banchero's handles aren't where you'd want an NBA PG to be. But...
Paolo...4.7 apg, 2.8 TO's pg, in 34.1 mpg (1.7 Ast/TO) and probably 10x the amount of on-ball time (10x might actually be accurate)

AB...3 apg, 1.7 TO's pg, in 23.7 mpg (1.8 Ast/TO) while mostly standing in the corner watching Paolo and Franz do their thing

Paolo's far from perfect as a PG...but he shouldn't be. Maybe compare our PG to another PG and see how that looks. Might also mention that 3 apg in 23.7 minutes isn't even a PG number...Paolo gets 4.7 while being a "selfish, inefficient black hole"

You could probably make a decent case that 6'10, 250+ lb Banchero has the best handles on the whole team...which is pathetic!

Blue_and_Whte · Post #336 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:34 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
ogmagicfan wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Difference between this game and the losses is that Jett didn't play.

AB proving them wrong!!

He had his one good game in five at the right time!

Correct. Currently much like Payton, he has to be asked to be aggressive. So we should expect multiple underwhelming games before his next “good game” if the standard holds true.

Post #337 » by **eyriq** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:46 pm

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Idiosyncratic · Post #338 » by **Idiosyncratic** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:09 pm

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LOL my respect for Paolo increased like tenfold here. I cannot stand Jerome, couldn't before this game. He has been very good this year though, will give him props there.

Being able to start as a guard on the Magic gotta be one of the weakest flexes ever though :lol:

Post #339 » by **eyriq** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:12 pm

Idiosyncratic wrote:

Being able to start as a guard on the Magic gotta be one of the weakest flexes ever though

I mean, we are starting CoJo LMAO

AB heard that too, took it personally.

Skybox · Post #340 » by **Skybox** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:41 pm

eyriq wrote:
Idiosyncratic wrote:

Being able to start as a guard on the Magic gotta be one of the weakest flexes ever though

I mean, we are starting CoJo LMAO

AB heard that too, took it personally.

CoJo made some really subtle PG moves that I couldn't help but notice...for instance, taking just a couple steps further towards the rim before hitting AB for the open corner 3. That little feint towards driving to draw the defender off AB an additional step or two was beautiful.