Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[Magicman125]

Sabonis is not the answer for us to put next to Paolo imo.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

Wizards can swap their pick for the Suns pick if the Suns pick is better than theirs.

We get the next best out of those two.

Basically we need to hope the Suns trade KD for a rebuilding type package instead of a retooling one to have a shot at a crazy valuable pick. Otherwise it may just be a small upgrade.

But that simply won't happen because they have Booker and Beal even if Durant is gone. Booker at 29 won't go through rebuild and Suns can't rebuild until they have at least some control over picks.

Most realistic scenario is scenario where Durant is flipped for combination of proven star-ish player and young promising player, like i don't know, Wiggins and Ware or Adebayo, Ware + filler OR Adams, Smith, Brooks, Sheppard for Durant.

To add, I'm fully expecting the Suns to triple (quadruple?) down and get Paul George or something and win 32-41 games next year pick 12-18... I'm just pointing out to the people that the pick is a chance... A chance to end better than ours. I get some people don't want anything to do with any more picks-- that is fine, but it still exists for now.

Let a man dream about the Wizards getting Dybantsa and us getting Darryn Peterson with the Suns #2 pick

Thanks for all the info guys!

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

Has anyone kept tabs on Ace Bailey? Seems like a Welt pick to me 6’8 SG that could play with Suggs and Black.

[Knightro]

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[eyriq]

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Top 15 player? Yes please.

[ogmagicfan]

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Seems like an awful fit

Doesnt stretch the floor, and isnt a good defender. His offensive game doesnt translate in the playoffs (also fouls out alot because he constantly grabs jerseys/does chippy stuff), and eats off of handoffs for assists.

I think he's pretty overrated.

[Knightro]

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Seems like an awful fit

Doesnt stretch the floor, and isnt a good defender. His offensive game doesnt translate in the playoffs (also fouls out alot because he constantly grabs jerseys/does chippy stuff), and eats off of handoffs for assists.

I think he's pretty overrated.

Sabonis is a fantastic player, but I also question the fit.

If Sabonis is your starting center, you're basically not going to be able to field an elite defense. He is not a rim protector, nor is he a rim deterrent.

If you play him at PF and upshift Paolo to the 3 and Franz to the 2, you'd then have 3 poor three point shooters in the lineup at the same time.

I like the player, I just don't think it's a viable fit.

[MasterGMer]

Is Sabonis a rim protector? We need one if we can get somebody in the draft.

But Sabonis trade is going to cost us a lot of assets. I just do not see the fit here

And the situation is fluid. It is a good option for us to keep our assets until we pull the trigger. And that player just hasn't come to picture yet, imo

[RichCollab]

Is Sabonis a rim protector? We need one if we can get somebody in the draft.

But Sabonis trade is going to cost us a lot of assets. I just do not see the fit here

And the situation is fluid. It is a good option for us to keep our assets until we pull the trigger. And that player just hasn't come to picture yet, imo

We don’t have a starting rim protector now and we are top 3 defense. What more evidence do we need?

[MasterGMer]

Is Sabonis a rim protector? We need one if we can get somebody in the draft.

But Sabonis trade is going to cost us a lot of assets. I just do not see the fit here

And the situation is fluid. It is a good option for us to keep our assets until we pull the trigger. And that player just hasn't come to picture yet, imo

We don’t have a starting rim protector now and we are top 3 defense. What more evidence do we need?

Sabonis costs 43M next season? Who is going out to trade for him? Paolo's max will be coming in after 25/26. Our roster would be incredibly expensive probably even luxury tax

[Knightro]

Is Sabonis a rim protector? We need one if we can get somebody in the draft.

But Sabonis trade is going to cost us a lot of assets. I just do not see the fit here

And the situation is fluid. It is a good option for us to keep our assets until we pull the trigger. And that player just hasn't come to picture yet, imo

We don’t have a starting rim protector now and we are top 3 defense. What more evidence do we need?

Goga and Carter are statistically very impactful interior defenders.

Sabonis gets more credit than he deserves from the advanced metrics defensively because he’s the No. 1 defensive rebounder in the league and defensive rebounds technically end offensive possessions.

[thelead]

No to Sabonis. He is an awesome PF... no one is winning a championship with him playing 35mpg at the 5 spot.

[OrlandoDream]

Pass on Sabonis. Not a good fit to this current roster and overpriced. If Kings turn to sellers, I rather take a run at Malik Monk. I actually wanted us to chase him instead of Caldwell azz. Keon Ellis would be another good target for us.

[Skybox]

Is Sabonis a rim protector? We need one if we can get somebody in the draft.

But Sabonis trade is going to cost us a lot of assets. I just do not see the fit here

And the situation is fluid. It is a good option for us to keep our assets until we pull the trigger. And that player just hasn't come to picture yet, imo

We don’t have a starting rim protector now and we are top 3 defense. What more evidence do we need?

I think I’d really like a rim protector at Center…but then we MUST add a playmaking guard (rather than 2 fierce POA defenders who can’t do guard stuff on offense). I’m not really crazy about Sabonis’ fit, but he’s a great playmaker & rebounder…which would, maybe, allow us to continue with the “noPG” offense…not my vote - I’d like more conventional offense from my backcourt and defense from my C…especially with Franz & Paolo next to him, scoring is definitely not the priority at C.

My ideal outcome would be to throw assets around and end up with a huge, agile rookie-scale Center (Maluach?) to defend, catch lobs, & board like a monster…and, then get McCain from PHI, who is somewhat proven but still only a year into his deal. If we could move off of WCJ & KCP (largely for financial reasons) for a big expiring salary like CJ or Simons…we’d be MUCH improved offensively, but would have much improved financial flexibility too …then, hopefully, you re-up the vet guard for around $20m per. I know some of those may be out of reach or completely unavailable, but that’s where I’d start. If we don’t unload some of those big dollar, longer term vets, Weltman probably wont use the MLE to sign a role player or two.

It’s a tricky dance to navigate the financial minefields while also facing that the team construction just isn’t that good. Lots of talent, imo, but some misguided redundancies and missing significant skills. Notably- an elite rebounder, a threat on the offensive glass, rim protector, a real playmaker, and obviously shooting (although I think the ball movement will goose everyone’s shooting numbers.)

In the vet min bargain bin, I’d check in on Ingles and see what AJ Griffin is up to, and I’d probably keep Caleb. Jett’s only about $5m, but just dead weight…maybe he gets thrown into a package while he’s still young enough for some other org to blame ORL for mismanaging his development. If there are NO better options, bringing Harris back (for $3m, not his $7.5 TO) isn’t the worst thing to do. One really good big move could then trigger a lot more shots at vet min guys who want to get in on a good situation.

[Skybox]

Suggs & ORL 26 frp to MEM for Ja Morant

ORL 25 frp #15 & DEN 25 frp #25, WCJ & Cole Anthony (expiring) to TOR for RJ Barrett & TOR 25 frp #7
*TOR does this largely for financial flexibility. Cole is expiring but WCJ is a nice fit at PF & C going forward.

ORL selects Khaman Maluach from Duke at #7 and takes some upside swings with srps. I'm not sure ORL doesn't owe more picks on both of these deals. Morant's a bit of a problem child - but a TRUE superstar. Barrett is an overpaid mediocre value, but he DOES put the ball in the net and he's young and has a big enough frame to play super-sixth man at both 2 & 3. IF he's exclusively off the bench, he's got a real chance at 6MOY. Having two bench players making over $20m is concerning, but do-able. Suggs' new salary is basically a wash with Morant (in the first year), so ORL can figure out if anything further needs to be done, salary-wise, over the next year, as Paolo's inevitable max doesn't kick in until then.

Maluach, Goga, Moe
Paolo, Isaac
Franz, TdS, Caleb
KCP, Barrett
Morant, AB, CoJo

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And what's the trade? Suggs, Isaac, and three FRPs?

These are not serious questions.

[Skybox]

ORL sends: Paolo Banchero, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cole Anthony
MIL sends: Giannis

Maybe add in Isaac for Portis...for more reliable frontcourt depth

[thelead]

ORL sends: Paolo Banchero, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cole Anthony
MIL sends: Giannis

Maybe add in Isaac for Portis...for more reliable frontcourt depth

22 yo all-star for 30 yo superstar? No thank. If Giannis was 2 years younger, sure.

[Skybox]

Just brainstorming time...regardless of price - what kind of guy would have the biggest impact on the whole smell of our offense?

guys like Simons, Sexton, maybe still Coby White are certainly (or were) gettable if you just pay the price for them, and I they'd, potentially, have a tremendous impact on opening up our offense. But I'm now feeling like Paolo & Franz are NOT the genius primary playmakers that you build your whole offense around. This is not a knock on them - they're present and future stars, but I think even they would be best utilizes in an offense with a real Floor General vet that will be somewhat of a coach on the floor as well as a significant offensive threat themselves.

I wouldn't say no to a crack at Ja Morant - the talent is just too undeniable, but I'm leaning more towards an FVV as the archetype PG for this team. A guy who clearly recognize his place on the team, the young talent around him and aim to do whatever gets wins. Fultz wasn't "deferring" - he just wasn't good. AB isn't "not being asked to...blah blah", he's just not able or willing to seize the reins (able being more significant than just "confidence").

anyway...
...FVV - I wish he was a couple of years younger (when we SHOULD have gotten him )...If Amen is ready, FVV could be on the market

...a step down in impact, while still a VERY strong influence, Chris Paul who, single-handedly, has "sorted out" multiple young teams in his veteran years. But he 's getting old and he may be over the whole "babysitter until they dump me" role at this point. Plus, he's got a great situation in SAS, if he'll accept that Fox is QB1 (he may not - keep an eye on that). Mike Conley is a similar older vet and given a lot of credit for MIN's success last year.

...I'm not really that crazy about the idea of Lamelo or Trae, but I'd be cheering...I'm afraid either would be too inefficient and selfish, despite racking up 10 assists per game.

...Giddey's court vision and size is certainly intriguing - but he's about to (probably) get overpaid, based on a small sample of excellence.

...Luka - not going anywhere, but could be Mose's saving grace BFFs

...Kyrie - perfect on-court skillset for us, but too many question marks...DAL could tap out and rebuild but Kyrie won't be healed up for quite a while and his long history of bad behavior and team-killing has to outweigh the upside at this point, given his payscale & age. Again, I'd cheer but...

...CJ McCollum-similar skillsets as Simons, Sexton, Coby- but seasoned with enough vet wisdom and experience. I'd trust him to try to lift the others

...Pritchard, sort of like Giddey - I'm afraid he could get paid to up his game and find he doesn't have that extra gear. I'd still do it in a heartbeat, but I think BOS (while needing to shed $$$) isn't letting him get away. But, imo, he'd be a great fit with Paolo, Franz, and Suggs core.

...Tyus Jones is always worth discussing...but not my favorite and not as a starter.

[Skybox]

ORL sends: KCP, WCJ, DEN 25 frp #25
ORL gets: FVV
*ORL talks discounted extension for multiple years before pressing 'go'

BRK sends: Cam Johnson
BRK gets: WCJ, Jabari Smith, DEN 25 frp #25
*Jabari for Cam is a nice move for a rebuild, WCJ is still young enough to be a nice piece in their frontcourt, complementary to Claxton. BRK has a ton of cap space, but they'd be hard pressed to land a bigger young prospect than Jabari. They're still early in their rebuild.

HOU sends: FVV, Jabari Smith
HOU gets: Cam Johnson, KCP, Jett Howard
*Amen takes over at PG, Cam adds elite shooting (Jett offers possibility of same), KCP adds vet toughness, elite 3&D - ready for playoff contention. HOU still has tons of assets to make another move. Jabari was due a payday and Eason and Cam will make him expendable anyway.