Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[Knightro]

The issue comes down to the combination of contracts between.

Cole/Suggs/AB/KCP

No chance anyone is acquired while all of those players are on the roster.

I agree with you on someone more long-term. Unfortunately, I think the only long term option we get is another draft pick and not a young up and coming prospect via trade. Weltman has proven he isn’t the guy to pull that off.

It’s likelier that they do nothing and roll out the same lineup. Thats been their go to.

I’m not super worried about it?

Cole is an expiring contract this summer.

Suggs will start one way or another.

Black is still on a cheap rookie deal for two more years.

The elephant in the room might be KCP going to the bench while making $21M a year, but Gary will be gone and Jett should be gone, so there’s still minutes to be had.

I think in a perfect world you’re looking at Cole and Gary and Jett off the team and the four-man guard rotation being…

New PG acquisition/Suggs/Black/KCP

[OrlandoDream]

Unless AB takes a major leap, the backcourt of AB and KCP is going to struggle to score off the bench. The KCP exp failed and we need to move on from him while he still has value. That contract he is on would help us match a nice PG with Suggs. AB will likely not be trade bc he is on a good contract. Maybe sign a free agent like NAW and bring him off bench with AB and Caleb/TDS?

KCP should not be in any consideration moving forward. He is not the type of player we need in a team so devoid of halfcourt offense. Maybe he would be better fit if we had an actual PG rotation but I'm not willing to take more risk.

The Jordan Poole idea is actually quite reasonable when you look at fit, contract and timeline.

[VFX]

The issue comes down to the combination of contracts between.

Cole/Suggs/AB/KCP

No chance anyone is acquired while all of those players are on the roster.

I agree with you on someone more long-term. Unfortunately, I think the only long term option we get is another draft pick and not a young up and coming prospect via trade. Weltman has proven he isn’t the guy to pull that off.

It’s likelier that they do nothing and roll out the same lineup. Thats been their go to.

I’m not super worried about it?

Cole is an expiring contract this summer.

Suggs will start one way or another.

Black is still on a cheap rookie deal for two more years.

The elephant in the room might be KCP going to the bench while making $21M a year, but Gary will be gone and Jett should be gone, so there’s still minutes to be had.

I think in a perfect world you’re looking at Cole and Gary and Jett off the team and the four-man guard rotation being…

New PG acquisition/Suggs/Black/KCP

Its not a money issue.

Its a minutes, rotation, skillset issue.

Every season we say certain players will be gone and then they are inevitably still here regardless of whether it makes sense.

[RichCollab]

Unless AB takes a major leap, the backcourt of AB and KCP is going to struggle to score off the bench. The KCP exp failed and we need to move on from him while he still has value. That contract he is on would help us match a nice PG with Suggs. AB will likely not be trade bc he is on a good contract. Maybe sign a free agent like NAW and bring him off bench with AB and Caleb/TDS?

KCP should not be in any consideration moving forward. He is not the type of player we need in a team so devoid of halfcourt offense. Maybe he would be better fit if we had an actual PG rotation but I'm not willing to take more risk.

The Jordan Poole idea is actually quite reasonable when you look at fit, contract and timeline.

KCP is a 3 and D plays every game guard. He is good as long as we keep him in his zone. Paolo and Franz fully healthy does that.

You are blaming KCP for the lack of play making or for not being more than a 3/5 option?

[OrlandoDream]

Unless AB takes a major leap, the backcourt of AB and KCP is going to struggle to score off the bench. The KCP exp failed and we need to move on from him while he still has value. That contract he is on would help us match a nice PG with Suggs. AB will likely not be trade bc he is on a good contract. Maybe sign a free agent like NAW and bring him off bench with AB and Caleb/TDS?

KCP should not be in any consideration moving forward. He is not the type of player we need in a team so devoid of halfcourt offense. Maybe he would be better fit if we had an actual PG rotation but I'm not willing to take more risk.

The Jordan Poole idea is actually quite reasonable when you look at fit, contract and timeline.

KCP is a 3 and D plays every game guard. He is good as long as we keep him in his zone. Paolo and Franz fully healthy does that.

You are blaming KCP for the lack of play making or for not being more than a 3/5 option?

Im not blaming him. Im saying the size of his contract doesn't support his impact on the team when we can trade him for another player who can be better fit next to Paolo and Franz. If KCP was making half his salary, then sure keep him off the bench. We have a desperate need for a PG and some kind of halfcourt players/floor general. That takes precedence over anything KCP offers, its a matter of business and his contract is useful to match a bigger salary with his minimal impact.

[BadMofoPimp]

The issue comes down to the combination of contracts between.

Cole/Suggs/AB/KCP

No chance anyone is acquired while all of those players are on the roster.

I agree with you on someone more long-term. Unfortunately, I think the only long term option we get is another draft pick and not a young up and coming prospect via trade. Weltman has proven he isn’t the guy to pull that off.

It’s likelier that they do nothing and roll out the same lineup. Thats been their go to.

I’m not super worried about it?

Cole is an expiring contract this summer.

Suggs will start one way or another.

Black is still on a cheap rookie deal for two more years.

The elephant in the room might be KCP going to the bench while making $21M a year, but Gary will be gone and Jett should be gone, so there’s still minutes to be had.

I think in a perfect world you’re looking at Cole and Gary and Jett off the team and the four-man guard rotation being…

New PG acquisition/Suggs/Black/KCP

Most realistic version of what can and will happen. But, I wouldn't mind a better option for WCJ. Maybe package him with some 1sts for someone better.

[cedric76]

The issue comes down to the combination of contracts between.

Cole/Suggs/AB/KCP

No chance anyone is acquired while all of those players are on the roster.

I agree with you on someone more long-term. Unfortunately, I think the only long term option we get is another draft pick and not a young up and coming prospect via trade. Weltman has proven he isn’t the guy to pull that off.

It’s likelier that they do nothing and roll out the same lineup. Thats been their go to.

I’m not super worried about it?

Cole is an expiring contract this summer.

Suggs will start one way or another.

Black is still on a cheap rookie deal for two more years.

The elephant in the room might be KCP going to the bench while making $21M a year, but Gary will be gone and Jett should be gone, so there’s still minutes to be had.

I think in a perfect world you’re looking at Cole and Gary and Jett off the team and the four-man guard rotation being…

New PG acquisition/Suggs/Black/KCP

Most realistic version of what can and will happen. But, I wouldn't mind a better option for WCJ. Maybe package him with some 1sts for someone better.

Like who?

[cedric76]

Unless AB takes a major leap, the backcourt of AB and KCP is going to struggle to score off the bench. The KCP exp failed and we need to move on from him while he still has value. That contract he is on would help us match a nice PG with Suggs. AB will likely not be trade bc he is on a good contract. Maybe sign a free agent like NAW and bring him off bench with AB and Caleb/TDS?

KCP should not be in any consideration moving forward. He is not the type of player we need in a team so devoid of halfcourt offense. Maybe he would be better fit if we had an actual PG rotation but I'm not willing to take more risk.

The Jordan Poole idea is actually quite reasonable when you look at fit, contract and timeline.

KCP is a 3 and D plays every game guard. He is good as long as we keep him in his zone. Paolo and Franz fully healthy does that.

You are blaming KCP for the lack of play making or for not being more than a 3/5 option?

Im not blaming him. Im saying the size of his contract doesn't support his impact on the team when we can trade him for another player who can be better fit next to Paolo and Franz. If KCP was making half his salary, then sure keep him off the bench. We have a desperate need for a PG and some kind of halfcourt players/floor general. That takes precedence over anything KCP offers, its a matter of business and his contract is useful to match a bigger salary with his minimal impact.

KCP signed a fair contract last summer

[CarraT]

KCP is a 3 and D plays every game guard. He is good as long as we keep him in his zone. Paolo and Franz fully healthy does that.

You are blaming KCP for the lack of play making or for not being more than a 3/5 option?

Im not blaming him. Im saying the size of his contract doesn't support his impact on the team when we can trade him for another player who can be better fit next to Paolo and Franz. If KCP was making half his salary, then sure keep him off the bench. We have a desperate need for a PG and some kind of halfcourt players/floor general. That takes precedence over anything KCP offers, its a matter of business and his contract is useful to match a bigger salary with his minimal impact.

KCP signed a fair contract last summer

We have Suggs for 30+ mio signed and KCP for 20+ mio signed. You can’t spent 50+ mio on SG position while you have two forwards with max contracts soon and you’re in desperate need of a PG upgrade.
This is just bad roster construction. They gambled on Suggs becoming a real PG, but that failed (not a surprise).

[basketballRob]

Wendell, Jett, Tristan, and 2 picks for Jaren Jackson Jr.

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[BadMofoPimp]

I’m not super worried about it?

Cole is an expiring contract this summer.

Suggs will start one way or another.

Black is still on a cheap rookie deal for two more years.

The elephant in the room might be KCP going to the bench while making $21M a year, but Gary will be gone and Jett should be gone, so there’s still minutes to be had.

I think in a perfect world you’re looking at Cole and Gary and Jett off the team and the four-man guard rotation being…

New PG acquisition/Suggs/Black/KCP

Most realistic version of what can and will happen. But, I wouldn't mind a better option for WCJ. Maybe package him with some 1sts for someone better.

Like who?

If there is not a decent trade available, I would even trade down in the draft if possible.

[Skybox]

Wendell, Jett, Tristan, and 2 picks for Jaren Jackson Jr.

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Is that a serious post? Why why why would MEM pick up the phone? You could throw in Suggs to your offer and it’s a no

JJJ might be all-NBA …amazing 2-way player. He’d be perfectnext to Paolo but MEM is not blowing up their young, really good team.

[MasterGMer]

Wendell, Jett, Tristan, and 2 picks for Jaren Jackson Jr.

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Is that a serious post? Why why why would MEM pick up the phone? You could throw in Suggs to your offer and it’s a no

JJJ might be all-NBA …amazing 2-way player. He’d be perfectnext to Paolo but MEM is not blowing up their young, really good team.

That is right. Memphis may even trade Ja Morant earlier than even entertaining the offer of trading JJJ.

I do not know what went wrong with Memphis tbh. Team was the NO.2 in the West before last season. Just because of Ja Morant's gun pose, the team went south. And this season they were all right. But they fired their HC right before Playoff. Have no clue what is going on. Just smells dysfunctional top to bottom. Stay away from them

[basketballRob]

Wendell, Jett, Tristan, and 2 picks for Jaren Jackson Jr.

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Is that a serious post? Why why why would MEM pick up the phone? You could throw in Suggs to your offer and it’s a no

JJJ might be all-NBA …amazing 2-way player. He’d be perfectnext to Paolo but MEM is not blowing up their young, really good team.

That is right. Memphis may even trade Ja Morant earlier than even entertaining the offer of trading JJJ.

I do not know what went wrong with Memphis tbh. Team was the NO.2 in the West before last season. Just because of Ja Morant's gun pose, the team went south. And this season they were all right. But they fired their HC right before Playoff. Have no clue what is going on. Just smells dysfunctional top to bottom. Stay away from them

JJJ looked pretty bad against Miami tonight. Ja looked like the only star

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[MasterGMer]

Is that a serious post? Why why why would MEM pick up the phone? You could throw in Suggs to your offer and it’s a no

JJJ might be all-NBA …amazing 2-way player. He’d be perfectnext to Paolo but MEM is not blowing up their young, really good team.

That is right. Memphis may even trade Ja Morant earlier than even entertaining the offer of trading JJJ.

I do not know what went wrong with Memphis tbh. Team was the NO.2 in the West before last season. Just because of Ja Morant's gun pose, the team went south. And this season they were all right. But they fired their HC right before Playoff. Have no clue what is going on. Just smells dysfunctional top to bottom. Stay away from them

JJJ looked pretty bad against Miami tonight. Ja looked like the only star

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Isn't JJJ in the running for DPOY?

[OrlandoDream]

Im not blaming him. Im saying the size of his contract doesn't support his impact on the team when we can trade him for another player who can be better fit next to Paolo and Franz. If KCP was making half his salary, then sure keep him off the bench. We have a desperate need for a PG and some kind of halfcourt players/floor general. That takes precedence over anything KCP offers, its a matter of business and his contract is useful to match a bigger salary with his minimal impact.

KCP signed a fair contract last summer

We have Suggs for 30+ mio signed and KCP for 20+ mio signed. You can’t spent 50+ mio on SG position while you have two forwards with max contracts soon and you’re in desperate need of a PG upgrade.
This is just bad roster construction. They gambled on Suggs becoming a real PG, but that failed (not a surprise).

We need a PG and if KCP salary is what we need to match, he's gone. Otherwise he staying as Suggs backup SG given suggs injury history. Thats an expensive backup we don't have the luxury of affording. Luckily his contract is good for only two more years after this season.

[Idiosyncratic]

I kind of feel like they won't trade Wendell. Just extended him, plus he always seems to end up above Goga on the depth chart. Not sure why that would suddenly change. Think they hope his shot comes back and ride it out.

Goga is a wild card, I could see them making him available and he should have solid value IMO at least.

[JF5]

I kind of feel like they won't trade Wendell. Just extended him, plus he always seems to end up above Goga on the depth chart. Not sure why that would suddenly change. Think they hope his shot comes back and ride it out.

Goga is a wild card, I could see them making him available and he should have solid value IMO at least.

They can't really trade Wendell because he makes more sense with Paolo and Franz as he can somewhat space the floor whilst play decent good perimeter defense on swing players.

The only way this team can trade him is they get a better version of him somewhere else (Draft/Free Agency) or the find a defensive big that can do what he does a lot better, whilst also finding a guard/guards who can shoot the lights out.

Right now with how bad the team is at shooting I don't think he's going anywhere right now.

[Magic_Johnny12]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Reaves? Would you entertain something like this?

Los Angeles Lakers outgoing:

Austin Reaves
Rui Hachimura
Gabe Vincent

Los Angeles Lakers incoming:

KCP
Mark Williams
Jonathan Isaac
‘26 FRP via Orlando (unprotected)


Charlotte Hornets outgoing

Mark Williams

Charlotte incoming

Jett Howard
‘25 FRP via Denver (currently #24)
‘26 FRP via PHX or WAS (swap rights)

Orlando Magic Outgoing

KCP
Jonathan Isaac
Jett Howard
‘25 FRP via Denver (currently #24)
‘26 FRP via PHX or WAS (swap rights)
‘26 FRP via Orlando (unprotected)

Orlando Magic Incoming

Austin Reaves
Rui Hachimura
Gabe Vincent

[Idiosyncratic]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Reaves? Would you entertain something like this?

Los Angeles Lakers outgoing:

Austin Reaves
Rui Hachimura
Gabe Vincent

Los Angeles Lakers incoming:

KCP
Mark Williams
Jonathan Isaac
‘26 FRP via Orlando (unprotected)


Charlotte Hornets outgoing

Mark Williams

Charlotte incoming

Jett Howard
‘25 FRP via Denver (currently #24)
‘26 FRP via PHX or WAS (swap rights)

Orlando Magic Outgoing

KCP
Jonathan Isaac
Jett Howard
‘25 FRP via Denver (currently #24)
‘26 FRP via PHX or WAS (swap rights)
‘26 FRP via Orlando (unprotected)

Orlando Magic Incoming

Austin Reaves
Rui Hachimura
Gabe Vincent

For starters I don't think the Lakers will want to trade Reaves unless they are getting a better fitting 3rd star, also think value here for them is a little light, but ignoring that...

In a vacuum I would be ok with trading a package like that to get Reaves assuming we extended him, love the fit with our team, can handle it and shoot it. He seems like a near perfect blend of both for us.

I think he has to be worth 30+ million though right? And that is where I really worry about having 150 million into Reaves, Suggs, Paolo and Franz in 26/27 and onward. Not even considering if Paolo makes all-nba. Maybe it is worth it, but it feels like the depth would be really bad.

Also worth noting that we only have one 26 1st I believe. The swap is our 1st. We either swap for the Suns if theirs is better or keep our own pick.