THE Aaron Gordon thread

[MellowRose]

Stats this, stats that all you want. I know what I saw from Tobias. Don't forget about the complete selfishness he played with almost half the season, and then he completely disappeared. "He put up good stats, though". That is the definition of empty stats. He was never the motor that ran this team. EVER.

Finally someone who get it. If we had to chose to keep Tobias or AG, majority(people with eyes) will pick AG. Tobias Harris is a gifted scorer and we all know that but he lacks in so many other areas that stand out and cause us games in the long-term. Aside from his defense which will know is subpar His selfishness is what bothers me the most. Our offense looks stagnant with him. Yes he makes shots but those shots are eventually going to stop falling and thats when teams get away from us and we never catch up.
AG will be starting by the end of next season. Its the only way we are going to get better. AG is a starter. He is not a bench player.

considering the top 5 offensive lineups have him in most of them, stats, not your opinion, say differently. and i would say our offense in general looked stagnant this year. Where you get this "selfishness" from, i have no idea. I didnt see too many other people go to the bench just because the coach wanted to try something different.

And please explain why his shots "are eventually going to stop falling"?

If you're the opposing team, where does Harris rank in the hierarchy of "stop these guys", on any given night?

1. Elfrid
2. Vucevic
3. Oladipo
4. Harris

Based on this season's play, do you agree with this ranking?

[tiderulz]

Finally someone who get it. If we had to chose to keep Tobias or AG, majority(people with eyes) will pick AG. Tobias Harris is a gifted scorer and we all know that but he lacks in so many other areas that stand out and cause us games in the long-term. Aside from his defense which will know is subpar His selfishness is what bothers me the most. Our offense looks stagnant with him. Yes he makes shots but those shots are eventually going to stop falling and thats when teams get away from us and we never catch up.
AG will be starting by the end of next season. Its the only way we are going to get better. AG is a starter. He is not a bench player.

considering the top 5 offensive lineups have him in most of them, stats, not your opinion, say differently. and i would say our offense in general looked stagnant this year. Where you get this "selfishness" from, i have no idea. I didnt see too many other people go to the bench just because the coach wanted to try something different.

And please explain why his shots "are eventually going to stop falling"?

If you're the opposing team, where does Harris rank in the hierarchy of "stop these guys", on any given night?

1. Elfrid
2. Vucevic
3. Oladipo
4. Harris

Based on this season's play, do you agree with this ranking?

no. I would say it is Vuc/Harris, then Dipo, then Payton.

[seeingstars]

Yeah, other teams have seen Harris's game winners. There no fools. No one double teams our players anyway so I dont see the need to rank anyhow lol

[mojosodope]

considering the top 5 offensive lineups have him in most of them, stats, not your opinion, say differently. and i would say our offense in general looked stagnant this year. Where you get this "selfishness" from, i have no idea. I didnt see too many other people go to the bench just because the coach wanted to try something different.

And please explain why his shots "are eventually going to stop falling"?

If you're the opposing team, where does Harris rank in the hierarchy of "stop these guys", on any given night?

1. Elfrid
2. Vucevic
3. Oladipo
4. Harris

Based on this season's play, do you agree with this ranking?

no. I would say it is Vuc/Harris, then Dipo, then Payton.

And I only have vuc this high if he's NOT shooting long 2's, otherwise if I'm the opposing team in perfectly fine with him shooting 50% and not getting to the foul line.


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[eyriq]

Vooch draws double teams

[MagicStarwipe]

Vooch draws double teams

Pretty rarely, and so does Andrew Nicholson. And they both suck at passing out of them

[BadMofoPimp]

considering the top 5 offensive lineups have him in most of them, stats, not your opinion, say differently. and i would say our offense in general looked stagnant this year. Where you get this "selfishness" from, i have no idea. I didnt see too many other people go to the bench just because the coach wanted to try something different.

And please explain why his shots "are eventually going to stop falling"?

If you're the opposing team, where does Harris rank in the hierarchy of "stop these guys", on any given night?

1. Elfrid
2. Vucevic
3. Oladipo
4. Harris

Based on this season's play, do you agree with this ranking?

no. I would say it is Vuc/Harris, then Dipo, then Payton.

This is one of those rare time I agree with you.

[tiderulz]

This is one of those rare time I agree with you.

it happens

[OrlandoDream]

Finally someone who get it. If we had to chose to keep Tobias or AG, majority(people with eyes) will pick AG. Tobias Harris is a gifted scorer and we all know that but he lacks in so many other areas that stand out and cause us games in the long-term. Aside from his defense which will know is subpar His selfishness is what bothers me the most. Our offense looks stagnant with him. Yes he makes shots but those shots are eventually going to stop falling and thats when teams get away from us and we never catch up.
AG will be starting by the end of next season. Its the only way we are going to get better. AG is a starter. He is not a bench player.

considering the top 5 offensive lineups have him in most of them, stats, not your opinion, say differently. and i would say our offense in general looked stagnant this year. Where you get this "selfishness" from, i have no idea. I didnt see too many other people go to the bench just because the coach wanted to try something different.

And please explain why his shots "are eventually going to stop falling"?

If you're the opposing team, where does Harris rank in the hierarchy of "stop these guys", on any given night?

1. Elfrid
2. Vucevic
3. Oladipo
4. Harris

Based on this season's play, do you agree with this ranking?

I would switch Vuc to the #1 spot, but the rest looks good. Vuc is the only player on this team we can throw the ball to and 9/10 times he will take a good shot or move the ball for a better look. Vic has had some big time shots this year, but Vuc is more consistent. Give him the ball, and 9/10 times, Vuc will get a good look.
By the end of next season, I think Elf is going to be that #1 guy......maybe sooner.
1 vuc
2 oladipo
3 harris
4 elf

[mojosodope]

considering the top 5 offensive lineups have him in most of them, stats, not your opinion, say differently. and i would say our offense in general looked stagnant this year. Where you get this "selfishness" from, i have no idea. I didnt see too many other people go to the bench just because the coach wanted to try something different.

And please explain why his shots "are eventually going to stop falling"?

If you're the opposing team, where does Harris rank in the hierarchy of "stop these guys", on any given night?

1. Elfrid
2. Vucevic
3. Oladipo
4. Harris

Based on this season's play, do you agree with this ranking?

I would switch Vuc to the #1 spot, but the rest looks good. Vuc is the only player on this team we can throw the ball to and 9/10 times he will take a good shot or move the ball for a better look. Vic has had some big time shots this year, but Vuc is more consistent. Give him the ball, and 9/10 times, Vuc will get a good look.
By the end of next season, I think Elf is going to be that #1 guy......maybe sooner.
1 vuc
2 oladipo
3 harris
4 elf

Do you watch our games? 20ft jumpers from your center are really not that good of shots and its part of the reason why he doesn't draw any fouls.


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[KillMonger]

don't matter if it isn't a good shot if the percentage is good.......which it is, people keep knocking Vuc on him shooting jumpers since he doesn't fit their ideal of a "Traditional Big man" those guys are honestly a thing of the past. Vuc is doing what he's good at and you can't blame Vuc for being in those spots BY DESIGN

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGOM4MrCRs[/youtube]
Skip to 41 secs in

Look at that and tell me he can't operate in the post, he's doing that against decent to good interior defenders.....man....what more do you want from him?

[tiderulz]

don't matter if it isn't a good shot if the percentage is good.......which it is, people keep knocking Vuc on him shooting jumpers since he doesn't fit their ideal of a "Traditional Big man" those guys are honestly a thing of the past. Vuc is doing what he's good at and you can't blame Vuc for being in those spots BY DESIGN

i dont blame a person taking a shot by design. But long two's for a center to me is a bad shot. every once in awhile, but not consistently.

Man, JV was not a good coach.

[mojosodope]

don't matter if it isn't a good shot if the percentage is good.......which it is, people keep knocking Vuc on him shooting jumpers since he doesn't fit their ideal of a "Traditional Big man" those guys are honestly a thing of the past. Vuc is doing what he's good at and you can't blame Vuc for being in those spots BY DESIGN

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGOM4MrCRs[/youtube]
Skip to 41 secs in

Look at that and tell me he can't operate in the post, he's doing that against decent to good interior defenders.....man....what more do you want from him?

It the NBA today to be elite you have to be able to score more than a point per shot. If Vuc shoots 50 percent (a very good percentage) and doesnt get to the line, and doesnt shoot 3 pointers it will take him 30 shots to score 30 points.

Can we agree that is not the best allocation of 30 shots?

The thing that gives Harris and Oladipo the advantage over Vuc is they both have the ability to get to the foul line and knock down 3 pointers.

If Vuc was an elite rim protector and still shot 50 percent perhaps not getting to the line could be overlooked.

[eyriq]

It the NBA today to be elite you have to be able to score more than a point per shot. If Vuc shoots 50 percent (a very good percentage) and doesnt get to the line, and doesnt shoot 3 pointers it will take him 30 shots to score 30 points.

Can we agree that is not the best allocation of 30 shots?

The thing that gives Harris and Oladipo the advantage over Vuc is they both have the ability to get to the foul line and knock down 3 pointers.

If Vuc was an elite rim protector and still shot 50 percent perhaps not getting to the line could be overlooked.

Keep in mind that he stretches the floor which increases overall efficiency. Also his true field goal percentage is 55% as he does get to the line. So he is at worst an above average offensive option due to his own efficiency and the boost he provides to our overall offensive system by stretching the floor.

[mojosodope]

It the NBA today to be elite you have to be able to score more than a point per shot. If Vuc shoots 50 percent (a very good percentage) and doesnt get to the line, and doesnt shoot 3 pointers it will take him 30 shots to score 30 points.

Can we agree that is not the best allocation of 30 shots?

The thing that gives Harris and Oladipo the advantage over Vuc is they both have the ability to get to the foul line and knock down 3 pointers.

If Vuc was an elite rim protector and still shot 50 percent perhaps not getting to the line could be overlooked.

Keep in mind that he stretches the floor which increases overall efficiency. Also his true field goal percentage is 55% as he does get to the line. So he is at worst an above average offensive option due to his own efficiency and the boost he provides to our overall offensive system by stretching the floor.

A true FG% of 55% may appear above average, but amongst centers its pretty low (32nd).

[eyriq]

It the NBA today to be elite you have to be able to score more than a point per shot. If Vuc shoots 50 percent (a very good percentage) and doesnt get to the line, and doesnt shoot 3 pointers it will take him 30 shots to score 30 points.

Can we agree that is not the best allocation of 30 shots?

The thing that gives Harris and Oladipo the advantage over Vuc is they both have the ability to get to the foul line and knock down 3 pointers.

If Vuc was an elite rim protector and still shot 50 percent perhaps not getting to the line could be overlooked.

Keep in mind that he stretches the floor which increases overall efficiency. Also his true field goal percentage is 55% as he does get to the line. So he is at worst an above average offensive option due to his own efficiency and the boost he provides to our overall offensive system by stretching the floor.

A true FG% of 55% may appear above average, but amongst centers its pretty low (32nd).

You were talking PPP....... He produces over 1 point per possession

[seeingstars]

It the NBA today to be elite you have to be able to score more than a point per shot. If Vuc shoots 50 percent (a very good percentage) and doesnt get to the line, and doesnt shoot 3 pointers it will take him 30 shots to score 30 points.

Can we agree that is not the best allocation of 30 shots?

The thing that gives Harris and Oladipo the advantage over Vuc is they both have the ability to get to the foul line and knock down 3 pointers.

If Vuc was an elite rim protector and still shot 50 percent perhaps not getting to the line could be overlooked.

Ml
Keep in mind that he stretches the floor which increases overall efficiency. Also his true field goal percentage is 55% as he does get to the line. So he is at worst an above average offensive option due to his own efficiency and the boost he provides to our overall offensive system by stretching the floor.

A true FG% of 55% may appear above average, but amongst centers its pretty low (32nd).

Yeah but you have to dwindle those stats to "among centers that shoot at least such and such shots"

[MagicStarwipe]

Here's something that somewhat shocked me although it probably shouldn't have. Aaron Gordon only played 59 more total minutes this season than Jabari Parker.

[OrlandO]

don't matter if it isn't a good shot if the percentage is good.......which it is, people keep knocking Vuc on him shooting jumpers since he doesn't fit their ideal of a "Traditional Big man" those guys are honestly a thing of the past. Vuc is doing what he's good at and you can't blame Vuc for being in those spots BY DESIGN

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGOM4MrCRs[/youtube]
Skip to 41 secs in

Look at that and tell me he can't operate in the post, he's doing that against decent to good interior defenders.....man....what more do you want from him?

It the NBA today to be elite you have to be able to score more than a point per shot. If Vuc shoots 50 percent (a very good percentage) and doesnt get to the line, and doesnt shoot 3 pointers it will take him 30 shots to score 30 points.

Can we agree that is not the best allocation of 30 shots?

The thing that gives Harris and Oladipo the advantage over Vuc is they both have the ability to get to the foul line and knock down 3 pointers.

If Vuc was an elite rim protector and still shot 50 percent perhaps not getting to the line could be overlooked.

He averaged 22 pts on 17.5 fga for two straight months before borrego changed his role.

[OrlandO]

don't matter if it isn't a good shot if the percentage is good.......which it is, people keep knocking Vuc on him shooting jumpers since he doesn't fit their ideal of a "Traditional Big man" those guys are honestly a thing of the past. Vuc is doing what he's good at and you can't blame Vuc for being in those spots BY DESIGN

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGOM4MrCRs[/youtube]
Skip to 41 secs in

Look at that and tell me he can't operate in the post, he's doing that against decent to good interior defenders.....man....what more do you want from him?

What's funny is he shoots those 16-24 ft jumpers at a higher percentage than dipo, payton, frye, fournier and harris shoot their overall fg%, yet people want to bitch about HIS shooting ability. That shot is going to come in handy in the playoffs. I'm sure Payton loves being bailed out by it, too. Also the notion that he only shoots jumpers is BS. I've spouted out his paint stats in the past and a 10 minute video was recently posted showing what he can do near the rim and in the post. He does damage in the paint, he does damage outside the paint... he is a versatile scorer. No need for people to act like he can't do both well just because they don't like his defense. A month and a half of Vuc being told to spread the floor as a PF while playing with dedmon doesn't erase everything he did for most of the year.