Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder

[OrlandoNed]

Lol did anyone see this on the Phoenix board??

I'm now a Suns fan.

We are the first team in NBA history to earn a fan after 48 point loss.

There must be some masochists on here if you watch this garbage team play and then tune into the suns afterward to watch them lose by 40

CajunBall was never a Magic fan. Only a Payton fan because Payton went to Louisiana Lafayette and he's a Louisiana Lafayette fan.

I almost feel bad for him. He has to irrationally support him because Payton's the only professional athlete a swamp school like ULL has produced since...ever?

[Xatticus]

I'm pretty sure he means that in Payton's career as a Sun, the Suns have a 126.7 defensive rating with him on the floor and a 108 defensive rating with him off the floor.

You're the one who said Payton sucks, not the writer.

Lol, the "Payton sucks" is intended. There's literally no other reason to take a sample of 2 games and derive those statistics, especially when one of those games was near 50pt blowout in which "Payton on the floor" actually means "on the floor against one of the best PG scorers of all time."

You do know that over the last 3+ year Orlando has often been better defensively without Payton, right? You can't use the Curry excuse for those 3+ seasons worth of games.

Except that this is false. This is the first year of Payton's career where the defense was demonstrably better when he was off the court than when he was on the court. The team defense rating was slightly better when he was on the court than when he was off of it in each of his first three seasons.

[Audi]

If I am Suns GM McDonough or any other team drafting before us I take Young and hold him over our heads for a future pick Hinkie style.

Prepare for this to happen to us again.

Been saying this for quite some time. Or be ready to take Sexton over BPA.
But hey, that 2nd rounder was worth it.

[ORL_on_FIRE]

This post and those tweets pretty much encapsulates the problem with Payton being your lead guard. He is left wide open while they go defend everyone else, his defender becomes a free safety able to roam around disputing things. He can exploit it by penetrating during the early parts of the game, in the 4th quarter the defense tightens and teams take away driving opportunities, he diminishes a ton at that point.

BINGO! JINGO! JANGO!

The funniest part about this is... that Kerr let the players coach themselves and this is what they came up with their game plan. Shutdown everyone else and let Elfrid do whatever. Result = Blowout. lmao

To be fair though Payton looked to be the only one trying. He was hitting everyone where they needed to be but he didn’t have much help from his supporting cast. Not sure if they have closed shop for the season or what but they look better on paper.

[SOUL]

Reminder of wings that have played worse overall defense than Payton this year:

Mario (428/488)
Fournier (431/488)
Simmons (474/488)

Not a peep though

[JAY DASH]

I'm not mad at us dealing Elf...I don't understand us trading him for a 2nd rounder, when we literally just showed how much we care about 2nd rd picks (when we decided not to use one of ours) this past draft though. Probably couldn't get much back from anybody but sheesh. We basically just released him. Phoenix is a good fit for him right now because they push pace and don't care about winning games. So he'll have decent numbers while they lose by 30.

[Audi]

I'm not mad at us dealing Elf...I don't understand us trading him for a 2nd rounder, when we literally just showed how much we care about 2nd rd picks (when we decided not to use one of ours) this past draft though. Probably couldn't get much back from anybody but sheesh. We basically just released him. Phoenix is a good fit for him right now because they push pace and don't care about winning games. So he'll have decent numbers while they lose by 30.

It's not even about the second rounder return. It's that we now have painted ourselves into a corner where may not have the luxury to draft BPA anymore. We could have easily drafted BPA and if it's the PG of our future (Young?), then GREAT - you let Payton walk. If BPA is not a PG, then see what the market values him at in FA and either sign him or let him walk. Worst case scenario, you lose out on a pick that like 40+ and end up exactly where we are at now + the BPA.

[SOUL]

I'm not jumping onto whole +/- single game debate i saw, i actually defended his production and -22 on OPP.

So you're saying you are a Defender of the Elf?



join the club pepe

[TreasureCoast]

I'm not mad at us dealing Elf...I don't understand us trading him for a 2nd rounder, when we literally just showed how much we care about 2nd rd picks (when we decided not to use one of ours) this past draft though. Probably couldn't get much back from anybody but sheesh. We basically just released him. Phoenix is a good fit for him right now because they push pace and don't care about winning games. So he'll have decent numbers while they lose by 30.

I'm sure there was nothing better, and possibly to divert PHX away from Trae Young- but if Young is our guy then is a 2nd rounder really worth showing our hand to the whole league, we may likely end up trading that 2nd along with another asset to acquire Young from one of the teams picking before us now like the situation we had to get Elfrid in the first place. We are spinning are wheels hard man!

[OrlandO]

I'm not mad at us dealing Elf...I don't understand us trading him for a 2nd rounder, when we literally just showed how much we care about 2nd rd picks (when we decided not to use one of ours) this past draft though. Probably couldn't get much back from anybody but sheesh. We basically just released him. Phoenix is a good fit for him right now because they push pace and don't care about winning games. So he'll have decent numbers while they lose by 30.

It's not even about the second rounder return. It's that we now have painted ourselves into a corner where may not have the luxury to draft BPA anymore. We could have easily drafted BPA and if it's the PG of our future (Young?), then GREAT - you let Payton walk. If BPA is not a PG, then see what the market values him at in FA and either sign him or let him walk. Worst case scenario, you lose out on a pick that like 40+ and end up exactly where we are at now + the BPA.

I think they'll still take BPA.

[sunsbum]

Phoenix is actually a really fun team to watch right now. Every game that Booker plays it's like watching some scrambled porn on cable tv(sorry young kids, you won't get the reference). It's only a matter of time until you get to see some titty. Booker gives the titty. Also watching Jackson slowly turn into Scottie Pippen Jr has been a treat. I mean if this kid learns to shoot..hes going to be really **** good for a long time. Then you have Bender teasing us with 5/5/5/5 games. He's still a baby Dragon. And then of course I can't leave out TJ Warren who is litteraly the most interesting scorer in the NBA. The way he puts the ball in the hoops is different every.single.time.
Our team is really **** charming. We will be good sooner rather than later.

[ORL_on_FIRE]

Phoenix is actually a really fun team to watch right now. Every game that Booker plays it's like watching some scrambled porn on cable tv(sorry young kids, you won't get the reference). It's only a matter of time until you get to see some titty. Booker gives the titty. Also watching Jackson slowly turn into Scottie Pippen Jr has been a treat. I mean if this kid learns to shoot..hes going to be really **** good for a long time. Then you have Bender teasing us with 5/5/5/5 games. He's still a baby Dragon. And then of course I can't leave out TJ Warren who is litteraly the most interesting scorer in the NBA. The way he puts the ball in the hoops is different every.single.time.
Our team is really **** charming. We will be good sooner rather than later.

That’s pretty cool about Warren, we have someone like that on our team too but it’s with turnovers.

[IllMagic04]

I'm not mad at us dealing Elf...I don't understand us trading him for a 2nd rounder, when we literally just showed how much we care about 2nd rd picks (when we decided not to use one of ours) this past draft though. Probably couldn't get much back from anybody but sheesh. We basically just released him. Phoenix is a good fit for him right now because they push pace and don't care about winning games. So he'll have decent numbers while they lose by 30.

It's not even about the second rounder return. It's that we now have painted ourselves into a corner where may not have the luxury to draft BPA anymore. We could have easily drafted BPA and if it's the PG of our future (Young?), then GREAT - you let Payton walk. If BPA is not a PG, then see what the market values him at in FA and either sign him or let him walk. Worst case scenario, you lose out on a pick that like 40+ and end up exactly where we are at now + the BPA.

We still taking BPA. If Young is off the board or if we like someone else we still take BPA. I don't see it as showing our hand at all. DJ will start again next year if we don't draft a PG. Not a huge deal.

[sunsbum]

I hooe you guys take Young and have the next Blake Griffin/Steph Curry wit him and AG.

[EasternMagic]

Anyone who's hoping for Elf to do bad is diabolical. I 100% agree with the decision to move on from Elf. At the very least, to give the guy a change of scenery. But I appreciate him and his attitude and what he did in our community. I do not think that Elf was set up to succeed with the direction the team is going in, and I do think that we gave him plenty of time an opportunity. I won't put that all on him. In fact, I'd put most of that on the Magic organizationally.

I'm happy we've split ways, but I hope he has a long successful career:
A) Because I like the guy and want to see him succeed.
B) I want PHX to buy into signing Elf up to be their PG of the future and to stay the hell away from Trae Youn

*Point B is highly speculative, opinionated, and has a lot of potential for error as we all know how the PG of the future in the lottery can end up being the PG on the bench, or the PG with the 5 year NBA future.

PS: I include all who will eventually complain their butts off about the Magic trading Elf, because the sentiment behind your complaints is the hope that he doesn't do well so that we can justify being upset about trading him.

HOT TAKE OVER

[woosah]

Phoenix is actually a really fun team to watch right now. Every game that Booker plays it's like watching some scrambled porn on cable tv(sorry young kids, you won't get the reference). It's only a matter of time until you get to see some titty. Booker gives the titty. Also watching Jackson slowly turn into Scottie Pippen Jr has been a treat. I mean if this kid learns to shoot..hes going to be really **** good for a long time. Then you have Bender teasing us with 5/5/5/5 games. He's still a baby Dragon. And then of course I can't leave out TJ Warren who is litteraly the most interesting scorer in the NBA. The way he puts the ball in the hoops is different every.single.time.
Our team is really **** charming. We will be good sooner rather than later.

+1 just for the insight of things guys will do to see titty

[RookieStar]

I wish Elf all the best. He has the tools, he just needs the mindset to use it every game and hope he hast the teammates that can take advantage of it. For me, he is the Jason Kidd of this era.

[MagicStarwipe]

Phoenix is actually a really fun team to watch right now. Every game that Booker plays it's like watching some scrambled porn on cable tv(sorry young kids, you won't get the reference). It's only a matter of time until you get to see some titty. Booker gives the titty. Also watching Jackson slowly turn into Scottie Pippen Jr has been a treat. I mean if this kid learns to shoot..hes going to be really **** good for a long time. Then you have Bender teasing us with 5/5/5/5 games. He's still a baby Dragon. And then of course I can't leave out TJ Warren who is litteraly the most interesting scorer in the NBA. The way he puts the ball in the hoops is different every.single.time.
Our team is really **** charming. We will be good sooner rather than later.

Phoenix are in a much better position than our sorry ass franchise. These guys are just trying to justify giving away a talented and improving 23 year old PG for nothing. Giving away young talent for nothing... something we are becoming known for around the league.

We're a terrible developmental team and pretty much everybody here acknowledges it. But somehow that doesn't apply when talking about Elfrid's career here because he was a starter and was handed the "keys". Which is actually complete BS as a handful of us have been trying to tell you all for years that none of our players have been put into a position to succeed. The culture and environment here has been terrible from top to bottom. I'm very happy for Elfrid to get away from it and I'm sure he'll be on to bigger and better things while we do our best to ruin Trae Young's career

[Revived]

What's a point of pointing out now that he plays well?

Same can be said if he plays bad or nitpicking single plays like that guy tried to do (woefully, I might add)

While I agree with some of what you wrote, to answer your question,people are always going to talk about former players that had a lot of interest from fans here. Happened with Oladipo, Tobias for a year or two... will happen with Payton and I'm sure with Vuc or Fournier if they're moved too. Just natural when a player has spent years here and is playing elsewhere. Human nature.

Happened with many Suns fans including myself when Goran Dragic was traded away to Miami two years ago. I watched nearly every Heat game for the next month or two after the trade. It was especially painful because we got Knight in return and had to endure the pain of him attempting to play basketball.

[tiderulz]

Phoenix is actually a really fun team to watch right now. Every game that Booker plays it's like watching some scrambled porn on cable tv(sorry young kids, you won't get the reference). It's only a matter of time until you get to see some titty. Booker gives the titty. Also watching Jackson slowly turn into Scottie Pippen Jr has been a treat. I mean if this kid learns to shoot..hes going to be really **** good for a long time. Then you have Bender teasing us with 5/5/5/5 games. He's still a baby Dragon. And then of course I can't leave out TJ Warren who is litteraly the most interesting scorer in the NBA. The way he puts the ball in the hoops is different every.single.time.
Our team is really **** charming. We will be good sooner rather than later.

Phoenix are in a much better position than our sorry ass franchise. These guys are just trying to justify giving away a talented and improving 23 year old PG for nothing. Giving away young talent for nothing... something we are becoming known for around the league.

We're a terrible developmental team and pretty much everybody here acknowledges it. But somehow that doesn't apply when talking about Elfrid's career here because he was a starter and was handed the "keys". Which is actually complete BS as a handful of us have been trying to tell you all for years that none of our players have been put into a position to succeed. The culture and environment here has been terrible from top to bottom. I'm very happy for Elfrid to get away from it and I'm sure he'll be on to bigger and better things while we do our best to ruin Trae Young's career

no one forces you on here. You dont have to root for this team if it bothers you this much