Sources: Charlotte, Chicago and Orlando finalizing trade that includes Mozgov to Magic, Biyombo to Charlotte and Julyan

[The Real Dalic]

so not only we traded for a deadwood Mozgov we also added 2 2nds? for a Grant who is at same level of talent as pg FAs who are on the market and can be picked up for 3 mil a year without giving up 2 2nds for them?wow
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I agree. We just signed Briscoe to peanuts and is probably already better than Grant. We could have signed another guy from summer league or Euro league. Seems like a waste of low value 2nd rounders, but still they are 2nd rounders, just to move Biz since you are getting about the same contract and same useless type player.

Would've preferred to have seen DJ-Briscoe-Caupain instead of Grant. But it's whatever now.

I've let out a lot of my frustrations and starting to calm down a bit and I'm being admittedly unfair to Grant who's done nothing wrong, but to me, he'll be the face of the mediocrity that the FO is okay with for this season.

[OrlandO]

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Makes even less sense.

He's not going to get it. LA paid him to play... that obligation doesn't carry over to teams that traded for hin.

[VFX]

What people don’t get about this trade is that management probably isn’t done making trades. Moving Vuc and DJ could possibly happen still.

People are only mad about this trade because they wanted IT to carry Orlando into a mediocre season, and an early playoff exit, at the expense of building a real team in the long term.

[PrimeThyme]

What people don’t get about this trade is that management probably isn’t done making trades. Moving Vuc and DJ could possibly happen still.

People are only mad about this trade because they wanted IT to carry Orlando into a mediocre season and an early playoff exit at the expense of building a real team in the long term.

Yeah so instead we give up 2 seconds for an even worse PG to carry us to an even more mediocre 35 win season. He is a 26-year-old PG, stop acting like he is some diamond in the ruff 22-year-old PG who hasn't gotten a fair shot yet. The guy has started in the past and is a clear-cut backup point guard that we gave up draft picks for.

Most of us are just connecting the dots with some of Cliffords interviews and Weltman's. Chances are that Vuc and DJ are starting come opening night.

[Nyce_1]

Grant fits the prototypical PG mold the team may need. With the ball looking to be in Isaac and AGs hands more, we may project to prefer having a PG to play off-ball more, with size to defend (switchability), hit open shots, and just manage the flow; someone like George Hill. After watching the 1st summer league game, this seemed obvious to me. Of course, Grant isn't the ideal option, but he fills a role and provides is a chance to see what our stars will look like with that mold of a point guard.

Same age as Fournier, and I think they both have a little room to continue growing. Nice having him still on rookie deal. After being traded twice by the age of 26, maybe we get a little lucky and he makes some kind of realization like his BFF Oladipo (childhood friends).

Pie in the sky optimism, better man than me. I can't justify this like you can, grant isn't some unknown quantity or a talent like dipo. He trash, hot dog water nasty and redundant since we got Briscoe. Was looking forward to a replacement for DJ but we ended up getting someone that will force DJ to start, unbelievable.

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Can't allow myself to get worked up over this team, lol. Grant isn't great or anything, but I can understand the logic in bringing him here. I expect a CJ Watson type of player. Anything more is great. Anything less is meh.

[MagicFan101]

What people don’t get about this trade is that management probably isn’t done making trades. Moving Vuc and DJ could possibly happen still.

People are only mad about this trade because they wanted IT to carry Orlando into a mediocre season and an early playoff exit at the expense of building a real team in the long term.

I don’t understand why people think this trade means Vuc is here to stay. We cleared away a defensive big man at little to no financial savings. This simply tells me Khem Birch should start stretching and get ready for opening night. It doesn’t do anything to chance the fact that Vuc is an expiring contract while playing exclusively at a position we just heavily invested in through the draft.

Vuc is gone in a trade or he walks and we enter 2019 free agency with some room to work.

[PennytoShaq]

Is there any real indication that the team is done or is that just typical forum over reacting? We still have the mle and im not sure that vuc is a lock to be here.

Ill go listen to the presser when i get a chance

[The Real Dalic]

What people don’t get about this trade is that management probably isn’t done making trades. Moving Vuc and DJ could possibly happen still.

People are only mad about this trade because they wanted IT to carry Orlando into a mediocre season, and an early playoff exit, at the expense of building a real team in the long term.

You could get IT make the playoffs and still build a "real team in the long term". I absolutely hate that logic and the fact that people think that tanking is the ONLY way. It is not.

[PrimeThyme]

Again, as I said earlier in the thread, ill wait to fully judge this trade until I see if other trades are made. I'm just posting under the assumption right now based off Clifford and Weltman's interviews that DJ and Vuc are most likely going to be here on opening night. If both are traded though, my thoughts on this trade could drastically change. I just don't see that as likely at all right now.

[OrlDave]

Few things.

1) No idea why people think this trade means we are done making moves. I am sure they are still in talks with all sorts of people both trade and FAwise. While nothing more might happen, we certainly are still looking.

2) Mosgov is nothing exciting, but judging from videos, he can actually catch a pass. The fact I don't have to see more perfect passes fumbled out of bounds by BB is a win.

3) Grant seems to have nice court vision if nothing else. He's a backup who is young and probably (hopefully?) coachable.

4) 2nd round picks. I'm guessing 1 was given to get Grant and 1 was given so that Clifford didn't have to deal with BB. I will lose exactly 0 sleep over them.

[Nyce_1]

For everyone worried about PG situation, with Grant and Briscoe, it's already better than last season's mess. Considering the low bar, that's not saying much, lol.

I hope we're not done but I can bet the FO looked at that hot start and saw something hopeful. And who was the PG during that strech? DJ. If we get the same DJ as last season, I can see why they attempt to run it back with him. Unfortunately, it's time for DJ to have his customary bad season.

Again, I hope we find a better starter, but I can understand their thinking. If none of the PGs are successful, we make a run next summer for a big upgrade.

[j-ragg]

Is there any real indication that the team is done or is that just typical forum over reacting?

So people shouldn’t have an opinion on this trade until after the trade deadline since that’s the last day to make deals?

[drsd]

Birch is better than a third stringer. And he's better than Mozgov.

Right now Birch is the primary back-up PF for Orlando.


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[VFX]

What people don’t get about this trade is that management probably isn’t done making trades. Moving Vuc and DJ could possibly happen still.

People are only mad about this trade because they wanted IT to carry Orlando into a mediocre season and an early playoff exit at the expense of building a real team in the long term.

Yeah so instead we give up 2 seconds for an even worse PG to carry us to an even more mediocre 35 win season. He is a 26-year-old PG, stop acting like he is some diamond in the ruff 22-year-old PG who hasn't gotten a fair shot yet. The guy has started in the past and is a clear-cut backup point guard that we gave up draft picks for.

Most of us are just connecting the dots with some of Cliffords interviews and Weltman's. Chances are that Vuc and DJ are starting come opening night.

Yeah I don’t trust WeHam with spending wisely with picks anymore, so I don’t really care about the 2nd rounders. They would likely draft the longest player and not address the roster anyway (part of the reason we acquired Grant in this deal).

As far as Grant goes, he averaged a whopping 16mpg in his first two seasons and broke 20mpg last season. He was great at Notre Dame and I was high on him in that draft. He stayed all 4 years in school, so yes he’s older, but that doesn’t mean he can’t get better with opportunity. He’ll have that here going up against DJ and Briscoe for starters minutes. I could see him beating them out for the job quite honestly.

[VFX]

What people don’t get about this trade is that management probably isn’t done making trades. Moving Vuc and DJ could possibly happen still.

People are only mad about this trade because they wanted IT to carry Orlando into a mediocre season, and an early playoff exit, at the expense of building a real team in the long term.

You could get IT make the playoffs and still build a "real team in the long term". I absolutely hate that logic and the fact that people think that tanking is the ONLY way. It is not.

So you are saying acquiring IT and waiting another year or two before finding a point guard to grow with MO5 and JI isn’t delaying the inevitable? Tanking isn’t really the main point. It’s developing players to play next to the current players that have been invested in with high lottery picks. Finding those players via trade or draft make sense. Signing 30 year old injured point guards on a redemption circuit does not.

[drsd]

As far as Grant goes, he averaged a whopping 16mpg in his first two seasons and broke 20mpg last season. He was great at Notre Dame and I was high on him in that draft. He stayed all 4 years in school, so yes he’s older, but that doesn’t mean he can’t get better with opportunity. He’ll have that here going up against DJ and Briscoe for starters minutes. I could see him beating them out for the job quite honestly.

The implication here is the Magic might have traded for their new starting PG via only two 2nd picks. That is a great trade for Orlando, of course.


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[j-ragg]

As far as Grant goes, he averaged a whopping 16mpg in his first two seasons and broke 20mpg last season. He was great at Notre Dame and I was high on him in that draft. He stayed all 4 years in school, so yes he’s older, but that doesn’t mean he can’t get better with opportunity. He’ll have that here going up against DJ and Briscoe for starters minutes. I could see him beating them out for the job quite honestly.

The implication here is the Magic might have traded for their new starting PG via only two 2nd picks. That is a great trade for Orlando, of course.


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There’s a better chance of him being 3rd string than starting imo.

[drsd]

The implication here is the Magic might have traded for their new starting PG via only two 2nd picks. That is a great trade for Orlando, of course.


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There’s a better chance of him being 3rd string than starting imo.

Sure, but my my point was that this was a value trade.


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[j-ragg]

The implication here is the Magic might have traded for their new starting PG via only two 2nd picks. That is a great trade for Orlando, of course.


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There’s a better chance of him being 3rd string than starting imo.

Sure, but my my point was that this was a value trade.


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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose.

[PrimeThyme]

The implication here is the Magic might have traded for their new starting PG via only two 2nd picks. That is a great trade for Orlando, of course.


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There’s a better chance of him being 3rd string than starting imo.

Sure, but my my point was that this was a value trade.


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The problem is that we didn't get any value. We gave up multiple draft picks for a career backup. He is not a starter. A value would have been signing IT for the MLE or below and not having to give up anything.