Summer Trades...never too early

[MoMM]

I just imagine the talk here when Gobert demands his 40M/year extension.

[basketballRob]

I just imagine the talk here when Gobert demands his 40M/year extension.

They might want an extension agreement before they traded for him. That would nearly guarantee Fournier would be back. Fournier was just posting pics of Gobert on his Instagram yesterday.

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[MoMM]

The problem is, who is going to score in this team? It's not the 80's anymore.

[j-ragg]

The problem is, who is going to score in this team? It's not the 80's anymore.

Are we really worried about this after a decade of bottom 10 offenses?

[drsd]

Vučević and Gobert are both sporting PERs of 21. I think the no-drama approach to the C slot is working well.

[AdamTheGreek]

We're not going after Gobert. You do that, and you might as well trade Bamba now. Plus, Rudy would only like it here if Fournier is here, and I really don't want to sign Evan to new contract.

[Hogified05]

We're not going after Gobert. You do that, and you might as well trade Bamba now. Plus, Rudy would only like it here if Fournier is here, and I really don't want to sign Evan to new contract.

Yea I don't get going after Gobert? Now Mitchell would be awesome. I completely doubt Utah is trying to get rid of him unless it's really bad and Mitchell is asking out. I like Evan well enough but if you plug Mitchell into the 2 spot for him we are probably a top 4 seed. Been trying to rattle my brain to figure out trade scenarios to get either him or Beal. We'd be contenders I think with Beal in place of Evan. Seems pretty slim the chances of us landing one of them.

I thought Evan (could be expiring) along with Bamba and a 1st could entice Washington if they are looking to blow it up. Bamba is marketable and a young piece they could build with. Hate to give up on him but I'd rather keep Vuc if we getting Beal and go for it for a couple years. But I seriously doubt Washington would want to give Beal to a divisional team unless they get a huge return. Evan and Rudy are best of buds so that could help with getting Mitchell but don't know if we have enough for them either.

An interesting wrinkle I thought would be a 3 team trade involving GS and Wiggins with either Utah or Wash. GS has some serious pieces to get something done if they want. Wiggins and a top 5 pick likely, I just don't think they are going keep Wiggins. But they could just get one of them themselves with that offer I believe.

So basically it's just a pipe dream lol

[AdamTheGreek]

Well, remember, Beal can’t be dealt until December anyway (which may work out if the next NBA season doesn’t start until then).

Utah is not dealing Mitchell unless it’s for a ransom (which we don’t have). Mitchell doesn’t have issue with the Jazz organization.

[j-ragg]

Beal could be traded July 1st, or whenever the league new year date is going to be changed to.

Tough to find a wing with star potential that could be had for imo maybe someone like Caris Levert but I'm admittedly a Michigan homer. Just not many 2/3s out there available who can create their own offense.

Gary Harris isn't that guy but his value is at an all time low. Maybe take a chance on someone like Dwayne Bacon? Dillon Brooks?

[Skybox]

IF Utah makes Mitchell available ( I don't expect unless he demands out)...
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7293379

ORL sends Evan Fournier (opt in) and Aaron Gordon and TWO first round picks
UTA sends Donovan Mitchell and Mike Conley

French connection of Evan and Gobert clicks. Evan is a very good shooter and can get to the rim, Rudy happily covers his defensive lapses (or inspires Evan to step up his D to become a complete player). Evan gets the ball in his hands more (like French team) and NBA suddenly sees a perennial 20+ ppg scorer. Gordon adds elite D, good ball movement and happily steps up more offense without Vuc gobbling shots in ORL. FRP is always nice.

ORL gets their star in DM and takes over Conley's $$. There is a real hope that Conley as third guard at either spot is an adaptive, rejuvenated mentor to the other two young stars-in making. If the dynamic works, Conley re-signs a fair deal to finish out in ORL with a few playoff runs. Isaac gets FT run at PF without AG and becomes an All-Star. Vucevic thrives in complementary role to guard-driven offense.

[pepe1991]

IF Utah makes Mitchell available ( I don't expect unless he demands out)...
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7293379

ORL sends Evan Fournier (opt in) and Aaron Gordon and TWO first round picks
UTA sends Donovan Mitchell and Mike Conley

French connection of Evan and Gobert clicks. Evan is a very good shooter and can get to the rim, Rudy happily covers his defensive lapses (or inspires Evan to step up his D to become a complete player). Evan gets the ball in his hands more (like French team) and NBA suddenly sees a perennial 20+ ppg scorer. Gordon adds elite D, good ball movement and happily steps up more offense without Vuc gobbling shots in ORL. FRP is always nice.

ORL gets their star in DM and takes over Conley's $$. There is a real hope that Conley as third guard at either spot is an adaptive, rejuvenated mentor to the other two young stars-in making. If the dynamic works, Conley re-signs a fair deal to finish out in ORL with a few playoff runs. Isaac gets FT run at PF without AG and becomes an All-Star. Vucevic thrives in complementary role to guard-driven offense.

If they ship one of Mitchell/ Gobert out, they are asking allstar in return , that's a given. Gobert by impact is one of most impactful players out there. What Curry is for offense ( one man show ) Gobert is for defense. I get strong sense that Celtics have enough assets to make that trade possible.

[j-ragg]

Gobert is impactful but I doubt he has near as much trade value due to contract extension soon/him vocalizing wanting a big contract.

[MoMM]

IF Utah makes Mitchell available ( I don't expect unless he demands out)...
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7293379

ORL sends Evan Fournier (opt in) and Aaron Gordon and TWO first round picks
UTA sends Donovan Mitchell and Mike Conley

French connection of Evan and Gobert clicks. Evan is a very good shooter and can get to the rim, Rudy happily covers his defensive lapses (or inspires Evan to step up his D to become a complete player). Evan gets the ball in his hands more (like French team) and NBA suddenly sees a perennial 20+ ppg scorer. Gordon adds elite D, good ball movement and happily steps up more offense without Vuc gobbling shots in ORL. FRP is always nice.

ORL gets their star in DM and takes over Conley's $$. There is a real hope that Conley as third guard at either spot is an adaptive, rejuvenated mentor to the other two young stars-in making. If the dynamic works, Conley re-signs a fair deal to finish out in ORL with a few playoff runs. Isaac gets FT run at PF without AG and becomes an All-Star. Vucevic thrives in complementary role to guard-driven offense.

What? Evan, AG and 2 1sts for DM and Conley's bad contract? Mike is averaging 13/4 and will earn 34M next season.

[pepe1991]

Gobert is impactful but I doubt he has near as much trade value due to contract extension soon/him vocalizing wanting a big contract.

Staying with Utah makes him eligible for supermax.
Trading or signing for another team means max is only thing in play.

[Skybox]

IF Utah makes Mitchell available ( I don't expect unless he demands out)...
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7293379

ORL sends Evan Fournier (opt in) and Aaron Gordon and TWO first round picks
UTA sends Donovan Mitchell and Mike Conley

French connection of Evan and Gobert clicks. Evan is a very good shooter and can get to the rim, Rudy happily covers his defensive lapses (or inspires Evan to step up his D to become a complete player). Evan gets the ball in his hands more (like French team) and NBA suddenly sees a perennial 20+ ppg scorer. Gordon adds elite D, good ball movement and happily steps up more offense without Vuc gobbling shots in ORL. FRP is always nice.

ORL gets their star in DM and takes over Conley's $$. There is a real hope that Conley as third guard at either spot is an adaptive, rejuvenated mentor to the other two young stars-in making. If the dynamic works, Conley re-signs a fair deal to finish out in ORL with a few playoff runs. Isaac gets FT run at PF without AG and becomes an All-Star. Vucevic thrives in complementary role to guard-driven offense.

What? Evan, AG and 2 1sts for DM and Conley's bad contract? Mike is averaging 13/4 and will earn 34M next season.

EATING Conley's contract is part of the package (only one year and he's still capable of earning it if it's a good fit) to get a player that would immediately be one of the best in the East for years to come - and exactly what we need. Our FRP's would likely be late as we improve as well. You could reasonably argue that ORL gets the two best players in the deal.

[MagicFan101]

No thanks on Gobert. Also, it sounds like they have patched things up. So not much to talk about.

[MagicFan101]

I saw an article with a 100% hypothetical trade proposal involving Al Horford + a 1st for Buddy Hield and fillers.


Why can’t Orlando get in on that? Isn’t AG + our first a better offer?

If we can rid ourselves of Evan I would love this move. Just go out and look for a vet SF in free agency to split time with Chuma and we are on our way to something. Still a year or so away, yet again, but we grabbed another key piece!

Fultz, DJ/MCW (sorry but one is coming back)
Hield, Ross
FA, Chuma
Isaac, Aminu
Vuc, Bamba

If Fultz, Isaac, Bamba, Hield and / or Chuma “arrives” we could be ready for a BIG jump ...

[pepe1991]

I saw an article with a 100% hypothetical trade proposal involving Al Horford + a 1st for Buddy Hield and fillers.


Why can’t Orlando get in on that? Isn’t AG + our first a better offer?

If we can rid ourselves of Evan I would love this move. Just go out and look for a vet SF in free agency to split time with Chuma and we are on our way to something. Still a year or so away, yet again, but we grabbed another key piece!

Fultz, DJ/MCW (sorry but one is coming back)
Hield, Ross
FA, Chuma
Isaac, Aminu
Vuc, Bamba

If Fultz, Isaac, Bamba, Hield and / or Chuma “arrives” we could be ready for a BIG jump ...

Probably because Gordon plays same position as:
Bagley
Barnes
Bjelica
Jabari Parker

2 of them just resigned, third was 3rd overall pick from a year ago.

[Skybox]

MORE TRADES, LESS TIRADES

Just doing checkup on AG's 3pt shooting...he increased his % nearly every year and peaked last season at a very respectable 34.9%. This season, he inexplicably dropped to .301 (nearly 50 percentage points!)...he's known as a hard worker with a great attitude...why then, is he labeled, so definitively, as a "bad shooter"?

If he and Isaac were both shooting 35%+ from downtown and developing chemistry as cutters, etc...why can't they co-exist? Defensively, they are fine, both can cover nearly anyone. Surely, they would each be more valuable than one-dimensional gunners if they could improve just a bit from downtown. The whole SF/PF debate (I think) seems to be primarily about offensive spacing and shot creation. I and others have been focusing trade ideas on AG for shooters...What would it take for them to flourish together?

Vuc and Bamba can both play some D and spread the floor. If Bamba learns how to play in the NBA, he could join them as an incredible frontline defensively. What % does Fultz need to shoot 3's to be a legit 20+ ppg scorer (he already penetrates like few in the league-even with defenders largely daring him to shoot). Evan and TRoss can obviously shoot...what's the problem (with this scenario)?

Did AG just have an off year or is it a sign that Isaac's emergence caused it? On paper they can flourish, why not on hardwood? Go...

[J the Drafter]

MORE TRADES, LESS TIRADES

Just doing checkup on AG's 3pt shooting...he increased his % nearly every year and peaked last season at a very respectable 34.9%. This season, he inexplicably dropped to .301 (nearly 50 percentage points!)...he's known as a hard worker with a great attitude...why then, is he labeled, so definitively, as a "bad shooter"?

If he and Isaac were both shooting 35%+ from downtown and developing chemistry as cutters, etc...why can't they co-exist? Defensively, they are fine, both can cover nearly anyone. Surely, they would each be more valuable than one-dimensional gunners if they could improve just a bit from downtown. The whole SF/PF debate (I think) seems to be primarily about offensive spacing and shot creation. I and others have been focusing trade ideas on AG for shooters...What would it take for them to flourish together?

Vuc and Bamba can both play some D and spread the floor. If Bamba learns how to play in the NBA, he could join them as an incredible frontline defensively. What % does Fultz need to shoot 3's to be a legit 20+ ppg scorer (he already penetrates like few in the league-even with defenders largely daring him to shoot). Evan and TRoss can obviously shoot...what's the problem (with this scenario)?

Did AG just have an off year or is it a sign that Isaac's emergence caused it? On paper they can flourish, why not on hardwood? Go...

We’re pretty much on the same wavelength here; I look forward to AG and JI being a potent duo as well. My question is why you believe they should be small forward and power forward instead of small forward and shooting guard.

I can see advantages. It will force opposing power forwards to guard a quicker player on the perimeter. It may be easier to help off a power forward than off a wing. It will force power forwards to close out to the three-point line. It would enable switching. But I see reasons to consider placing Gordon and Isaac at the two and three (providing we get a starting power forward, of course).

If one of them plays power forward, he will encounter matchups that outmatch him in weight. This will make defense harder and, in the long run, could possibly lead to fatigue and injuries matching up against bigger players. It also draws our player away from playing perimeter defense, which is one of the strengths of Gordon and Isaac. Put Gordon and Isaac on the wings, and we’ve got a size advantage without surrendering anything, except perhaps against the league’s quickest and most athletic shooting guards. It’d be hard for wings to score on AG and JI, and it’d be hard for them to stop them in the post, at least once Isaac gets a decent level of skill down low. JI and AG would still be able to switch on screens. And that height advantage helps in scoring at the basket and rebounding.

I can see potential drawbacks. A JI/AG wing tandem presupposes that at least one of them can defend the two effectively enough to actually create an advantage. The perimeter defense at the guard spot might be too effective too often for this work—though Bonzi Wells and Nick Anderson both made careers out of shooting threes and posting up, if I (in my extremely limited knowledge base) understand correctly. And it’s possible that AG/JI can defend and score effectively in a sf/sg configuration, and still be less effective than a sf/pf setup.

In any event, I think the 2/3 thing is at least something worth doing at certain points in the game, and is at least worth considering against certain matchups.