Official Spec Thread: I guess now's the time to blow this dumpster fire up and bask in the glow!

[The Effect]

So now we've got:

#1 pick: Fultz
#3 pick: Otto
#6 pick: JI
#6 pick: Bamba
#7 pick: WCJ
#15 pick: Okeke
#15 pick: Cole


I know if they did re-drafts most of these guys wouldn't be drafted there again, but that's a lot of talent (whether realized or unrealized) on the roster that we'll add a few more top picks to.

Outside of the JI pick, What that list also does is support the anti-thank narrative...4 out of 5 would be picked lower in a redraft.

I dont know, i think Isaac goes lower in a redraft
Hes always hurt and has no offense outside of an open 3 (even that hes not a great shooter) or fast break dunks.
Sure hes a great defender, but thats only half the game
In a re-draft def see Bam, Mitchell, collins and Lauri all jumping above him and really just see him as a taller OG Anunoby

[Magicfanatic82]

We will see more from Isaac when hes back. He played a limited role before. He will see more shots and cuts on offense. He can take the AG parts of the playbook at PF.

[GelbeWand09]

So now we've got:

#1 pick: Fultz
#3 pick: Otto
#6 pick: JI
#6 pick: Bamba
#7 pick: WCJ
#15 pick: Okeke
#15 pick: Cole


I know if they did re-drafts most of these guys wouldn't be drafted there again, but that's a lot of talent (whether realized or unrealized) on the roster that we'll add a few more top picks to.

Outside of the JI pick, What that list also does is support the anti-thank narrative...4 out of 5 would be picked lower in a redraft.

I dont know, i think Isaac goes lower in a redraft
Hes always hurt and has no offense outside of an open 3 (even that hes not a great shooter) or fast break dunks.
Sure hes a great defender, but thats only half the game
In a re-draft def see Bam, Mitchell, collins and Lauri all jumping above him and really just see him as a taller OG Anunoby

Lauri That guy was probably avaiable for a bag of chips this tradeline

[SOUL]

People forget that Isaac started showing some really soft touch before he got hurt again. He has always been a good FT shooter and was hitting the three ball. Looked stronger inside + had a little crafty jumper. He cannot create for himself because his dribble is too loose and you can't say "get me a bucket" but people act like Isaac is MGK level and it's not even close. He's competent offensively but will never be "the guy", but I will take whatever he gives us there on top of DPOY/1st team level defense.

[Bensational]

People forget that Isaac started showing some really soft touch before he got hurt again. He has always been a good FT shooter and was hitting the three ball. Looked stronger inside + had a little crafty jumper. He cannot create for himself because his dribble is too loose and you can't say "get me a bucket" but people act like Isaac is MGK level and it's not even close. He's competent offensively but will never be "the guy", but I will take whatever he gives us there on top of DPOY/1st team level defense.

I’ve always liked Isaac’s form on his shooting. It looks like he could be a really great set shooter if he focused on that. He’s not a guy you want trying to break a defender down off the dribble from the perimeter, but I’ve seen him use some of AGs moves to turn it into a high post post-up for a double threat option.

If he can stay healthy for a full two seasons I think he’ll close the gap between his defense and offense.

[Blue_and_Whte]

So now we've got:

#1 pick: Fultz
#3 pick: Otto
#6 pick: JI
#6 pick: Bamba
#7 pick: WCJ
#15 pick: Okeke
#15 pick: Cole


I know if they did re-drafts most of these guys wouldn't be drafted there again, but that's a lot of talent (whether realized or unrealized) on the roster that we'll add a few more top picks to.

Outside of the JI pick, What that list also does is support the anti-thank narrative...4 out of 5 would be picked lower in a redraft.

I dont know, i think Isaac goes lower in a redraft
Hes always hurt and has no offense outside of an open 3 (even that hes not a great shooter) or fast break dunks.
Sure hes a great defender, but thats only half the game
In a re-draft def see Bam, Mitchell, collins and Lauri all jumping above him and really just see him as a taller OG Anunoby

Well I’d move Ball, Fultz, and Jackson and replace them with Collins, Bam, and Mitchell (who by the way also plays on one side of the ball). I won’t go into a discussion on who between Lauri or JI should’ve gone 6th but I will say that JI isn’t just a great defender, he’s an elite multi positional defender and I do think there’s a difference. Lauri can shoot it but he doesn’t bring an elite skill set to the floor.

[The Effect]

Outside of the JI pick, What that list also does is support the anti-thank narrative...4 out of 5 would be picked lower in a redraft.

I dont know, i think Isaac goes lower in a redraft
Hes always hurt and has no offense outside of an open 3 (even that hes not a great shooter) or fast break dunks.
Sure hes a great defender, but thats only half the game
In a re-draft def see Bam, Mitchell, collins and Lauri all jumping above him and really just see him as a taller OG Anunoby

Lauri That guy was probably avaiable for a bag of chips this tradeline

Really?
Well this was busiest trade deadline ever, so if that was true, he easily could of been moved

[swarlesbarkley]

So now we've got:

#1 pick: Fultz
#3 pick: Otto
#6 pick: JI
#6 pick: Bamba
#7 pick: WCJ
#15 pick: Okeke
#15 pick: Cole


I know if they did re-drafts most of these guys wouldn't be drafted there again, but that's a lot of talent (whether realized or unrealized) on the roster that we'll add a few more top picks to.

Outside of the JI pick, What that list also does is support the anti-thank narrative...4 out of 5 would be picked lower in a redraft.

I'm pretty sure it's been proven time and time again that higher picks are more likely to become superstars/allstars so that point is really quite moot. The only anti-tank position that has some statistical backing is the argument that superstars don't stay with the team that drafted them when they hit their prime.

[The Effect]

People forget that Isaac started showing some really soft touch before he got hurt again. He has always been a good FT shooter and was hitting the three ball. Looked stronger inside + had a little crafty jumper. He cannot create for himself because his dribble is too loose and you can't say "get me a bucket" but people act like Isaac is MGK level and it's not even close. He's competent offensively but will never be "the guy", but I will take whatever he gives us there on top of DPOY/1st team level defense.

He has a nice, but not great jumper, but that alone doesnt make him a compenant offensive players. Like you said, he cant create and he cant be a guy that you tell to get you a bucket. Hes a spot up shooter who needs someone else to get him looks, in the modern NBA, thats about the most common player set there is, so to me, yeah hes a 3&d player only

Maybe an upper level 3&D, but not really a franchise player changing player

Honestly, to me hes a PF version of OG Anunoby, except OG might have a better offensive game, so is OG an elite player? should OB be a top 6 player in that draft? I mean he has the same skillset offensively (except better shooter), also a great defender, same age......and most importantly.....stays healthy(ish), so in a re-draft, whos to say he wouldnt go higher than JI?

[MoMM]

People forget that Isaac started showing some really soft touch before he got hurt again. He has always been a good FT shooter and was hitting the three ball. Looked stronger inside + had a little crafty jumper. He cannot create for himself because his dribble is too loose and you can't say "get me a bucket" but people act like Isaac is MGK level and it's not even close. He's competent offensively but will never be "the guy", but I will take whatever he gives us there on top of DPOY/1st team level defense.

AK47 2.0.

[ogmagicfan]

Outside of the JI pick, What that list also does is support the anti-thank narrative...4 out of 5 would be picked lower in a redraft.

I dont know, i think Isaac goes lower in a redraft
Hes always hurt and has no offense outside of an open 3 (even that hes not a great shooter) or fast break dunks.
Sure hes a great defender, but thats only half the game
In a re-draft def see Bam, Mitchell, collins and Lauri all jumping above him and really just see him as a taller OG Anunoby

Well I’d move Ball, Fultz, and Jackson and replace them with Collins, Bam, and Mitchell (who by the way also plays on one side of the ball). I won’t go into a discussion on who between Lauri or JI should’ve gone 6th but I will say that JI isn’t just a great defender, he’s an elite multi positional defender and I do think there’s a difference. Lauri can shoot it but he doesn’t bring an elite skill set to the floor.

I’d rather have a player who can be a top 5 in an important skill like defense and average at rest than someone like Lauri whose good on offense but a defensive liability. It’s all on Isaac to just stay healthy but he has future DPOY written all over him.

I can envision a championship team winning with Isaac far more than players like Lauri. We just need offensive weapons around him like Cade/Green so we don’t play Isaac outside of his skillset.

[Blue_and_Whte]

I dont know, i think Isaac goes lower in a redraft
Hes always hurt and has no offense outside of an open 3 (even that hes not a great shooter) or fast break dunks.
Sure hes a great defender, but thats only half the game
In a re-draft def see Bam, Mitchell, collins and Lauri all jumping above him and really just see him as a taller OG Anunoby

Lauri That guy was probably avaiable for a bag of chips this tradeline

Really?
Well this was busiest trade deadline ever, so if that was true, he easily could of been moved

Don’t think the new ownership likes him.
https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2020/12/21/there-will-be-no-extension-for-lauri-markkanen-and-the-bulls/
I mean Thad young is their starting PF

[PrimeThyme]

Make no mistake, the only thing that would stop Isaac from going 6th overall again is his injury history, && even then he would still go top 10. People love to have revisionist history and conveniently forget that he was playing like a top 5 dpoy type candidate before injury. He's not just your average "3&D" wing.

He was also showing a budding offensive game to go along with it. NBA teams salivate over forwards with his skillset.

[Nyce_1]

Lauri That guy was probably avaiable for a bag of chips this tradeline

Really?
Well this was busiest trade deadline ever, so if that was true, he easily could of been moved

Don’t think the new ownership likes him.
https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2020/12/21/there-will-be-no-extension-for-lauri-markkanen-and-the-bulls/
I mean Thad young is their starting PF

Lauri actually started with Vuc on Saturday. Thad SHOULD start, but Lauri got the nod. We'll see who starts tonight.

[Blue_and_Whte]

So now we've got:

#1 pick: Fultz
#3 pick: Otto
#6 pick: JI
#6 pick: Bamba
#7 pick: WCJ
#15 pick: Okeke
#15 pick: Cole


I know if they did re-drafts most of these guys wouldn't be drafted there again, but that's a lot of talent (whether realized or unrealized) on the roster that we'll add a few more top picks to.

Outside of the JI pick, What that list also does is support the anti-thank narrative...4 out of 5 would be picked lower in a redraft.

I'm pretty sure it's been proven time and time again that higher picks are more likely to become superstars/allstars so that point is really quite moot. The only anti-tank position that has some statistical backing is the argument that superstars don't stay with the team that drafted them when they hit their prime.

To be clear I’m not an anti tank person but I don’t think “not staying with their teams” is the only metric. The best way IMO for small market teams to get talent is through the draft but it’s still incredibly unpredictable and I can see why there are anti tankers.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Really?
Well this was busiest trade deadline ever, so if that was true, he easily could of been moved

Don’t think the new ownership likes him.
https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2020/12/21/there-will-be-no-extension-for-lauri-markkanen-and-the-bulls/
I mean Thad young is their starting PF

Lauri actually started with Vuc on Saturday. Thad SHOULD start, but Lauri got the nod. We'll see who starts tonight.

Well yeah they’re experimenting, but prior to that outlier he’s been coming off the bench as has White

[Nyce_1]

y'all are crazy...even coming off a torn ACL, JI still goes top 6. If he was healthy all this time...good debate.

[Xatticus]

I dont know, i think Isaac goes lower in a redraft
Hes always hurt and has no offense outside of an open 3 (even that hes not a great shooter) or fast break dunks.
Sure hes a great defender, but thats only half the game
In a re-draft def see Bam, Mitchell, collins and Lauri all jumping above him and really just see him as a taller OG Anunoby

Well I’d move Ball, Fultz, and Jackson and replace them with Collins, Bam, and Mitchell (who by the way also plays on one side of the ball). I won’t go into a discussion on who between Lauri or JI should’ve gone 6th but I will say that JI isn’t just a great defender, he’s an elite multi positional defender and I do think there’s a difference. Lauri can shoot it but he doesn’t bring an elite skill set to the floor.

I’d rather have a player who can be a top 5 in an important skill like defense and average at rest than someone like Lauri whose good on offense but a defensive liability. It’s all on Isaac to just stay healthy but he has future DPOY written all over him.

I can envision a championship team winning with Isaac far more than players like Lauri. We just need offensive weapons around him like Cade/Green so we don’t play Isaac outside of his skillset.

Markkanen isn't a good offensive player. He never has been. He is just a good shooter. The Bulls have never been a good offensive team when Markkanen has been on the floor. This year, they have been far better offensively when he has been on the bench.

[rcklsscognition]

I would consider myself anti-defense and pro-offense in general and I remember being pretty stoked for JI's offense for a stretch there.

[RookieStar]

y'all are crazy...even coming off a torn ACL, JI still goes top 6. If he was healthy all this time...good debate.

THIS. Look at okeke right now. Dude came off an acl surgery and almost 2 years without playing competitive basketball.

With what JI has shown so far he deserved that spot