Race for Ping Pong Balls

[pepe1991]

After last night's impressive win and good play by the current squad, I am a bit worried about our lottery odds.

Less Bamba = Less tanking
Mo Bamba = Mo' tanking

We need our worst player back on the court and less on the injured list. We need his defense and rebounding skills to help us secure some losses.

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Our worst player is your golden boy. You should really stop doing your childish Bamba/Cole posts. There is a really high chance, Cole is gonna be more hated here than Bamba in 1-2 years when he takes a ton of shots away from our new toys, while being highly inefficient.
That you cant handle critic we see this season already when you vanish after every bad Cole game for days, despite his rookie puppy protection this year.

I can smell new internet feud

Tbh after Vuc, Gordon, Evan trade i thought this place will be less angry. Boy i was wrong

[GelbeWand09]

After last night's impressive win and good play by the current squad, I am a bit worried about our lottery odds.

Less Bamba = Less tanking
Mo Bamba = Mo' tanking

We need our worst player back on the court and less on the injured list. We need his defense and rebounding skills to help us secure some losses.

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Our worst player is your golden boy. You should really stop doing your childish Bamba/Cole posts. There is a really high chance, Cole is gonna be more hated here than Bamba in 1-2 years when he takes a ton of shots away from our new toys, while being highly inefficient.
That you cant handle critic we see this season already when you vanish after every bad Cole game for days, despite his rookie puppy protection this year.

I can smell new internet feud

Tbh after Vuc, Gordon, Evan trade i thought this place will be less angry. Boy i was wrong

Dont worry, was just a little reality check of his double standard.

[pepe1991]

Our worst player is your golden boy. You should really stop doing your childish Bamba/Cole posts. There is a really high chance, Cole is gonna be more hated here than Bamba in 1-2 years when he takes a ton of shots away from our new toys, while being highly inefficient.
That you cant handle critic we see this season already when you vanish after every bad Cole game for days, despite his rookie puppy protection this year.

I can smell new internet feud

Tbh after Vuc, Gordon, Evan trade i thought this place will be less angry. Boy i was wrong

Dont worry, was just a little reality check of his double standard.

Yea, people shouldn't have double standards, just hate everybody like i do

But expetations change depending of slot player is selected.

Having 25-57 record for player, just to, three years later turn into fringe rotation player is terrible outcom.

Cole, who nobody really wanted nor liked, was 15# pick, and expetations for him are pretty low. I mean, i would be shocked if he turns into positve contributor.

Just look at us after a trade, most posts just grasping for something positive to talk about and keep themselfs engaged, tanking and losing and rooting for loses becomes that worst if your "reward" isn't rewarding at all. In reality, it's literally one year of your life wasted.

[zaymon]

I like Cole more than Bamba. It would be nice if he could read the game better, but he is improving. Shooting struggles are expected after such injury. This year if we wont get Cade i think people will be very dissapointed about our tanking prize.

[GelbeWand09]

[/quote]Yea, people shouldn't have double standards, just hate everybody like i do [/quote]



Yea sure, he can criticize Bamba the whole day, i woudnt care, but the bashing should be backed up by stats, video study & substance.
I would And-1 him for most of these kind of posts but that facebook comment section style without substance, while at the same time telling everyone how he was right about Cole, when he hits 3 shots in a row but vanishing after every bad game, triggers me hard lol.

I'm no Bamba fan at all, like i said a few times already. I was in the camp of trading him after his rookie season, when he still got high value. I never liked his motor, i have doubts he will ever be able to play 30+ mpg over a season, i have doubts about his physical longevity, doubts about his reflexes & reaction time....

But enough of this, wrong topic for this thread.

[GelbeWand09]

I like Cole more than Bamba. It would be nice if he could read the game better, but he is improving. Shooting struggles are expected after such injury. This year if we wont get Cade i think people will be very dissapointed about our tanking prize.

Yea Cade is my fav too. I just see no way how he wont become a positive impact player. He wont be the typical one dimensional scorer, who doesnt make anyone around him better & cant defend, while leading his team into the lottery every season.
He is gonna be a positive impact player for sure.
I would try to trade up for him with Bulls & maybe additional pick, if he is off the board. For Suggs i would try too but only 1 extra pick.

Green on the other side i'm not sure i would give up additional assets for him. I love the upside for sure, but i just see a lot Lavine in his game. If he becomes Zach, i woudnt give up the Bulls & Denver pick to get him.
I love his first step & the long strides. He will get in the paint with ease. But without playmaking & defense, he could end up as one of those doesnt move the needle 20+ppg scorers. I draft him when the other 2 are gone without a doubt & gonna be really happy but going all in for him, i'm not sure.

[MAGICian619]

They might as well just give every lotto team the same odds. If all these teams actually tried to win games, they would have roughly similar records to each other anyway. And if you can’t build a team that can win at least ~25 games in a season, you shouldn’t be rewarded better odds to land a transcendent player.

At this point, I completely agree. The current setup makes like as a fan of a bad team miserable.

[BCS]

They might as well just give every lotto team the same odds. If all these teams actually tried to win games, they would have roughly similar records to each other anyway. And if you can’t build a team that can win at least ~25 games in a season, you shouldn’t be rewarded better odds to land a transcendent player.

At this point, I completely agree. The current setup makes like as a fan of a bad team miserable.

I've always been a believer of this idea. The debate on this was, teams who have no chance to win it all (aka, us the past few years making the playoff) will tank to miss the playoff but imo that is pure bs. I do not thinks teams will miss on extra revenue for making the playoffs for an equal chance at top picks.

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[Skybox]

They might as well just give every lotto team the same odds. If all these teams actually tried to win games, they would have roughly similar records to each other anyway. And if you can’t build a team that can win at least ~25 games in a season, you shouldn’t be rewarded better odds to land a transcendent player.

At this point, I completely agree. The current setup makes like as a fan of a bad team miserable.

I have to agree too...It's a shame they can't use draft position to help re-balance talent but human nature always games the system...you could make a similar case for capitalism or socialism- both would work fine if not for human nature looking to hack it. I think tanking is worse for NBA biz than an equal odds lottery would be. This time of the season everybody but very best teams have to at least consider their trajectory and whether they can legitimately contend...that's not healthy. Magic SHOULD be tanking with the current system but, generally speaking, I'm not for rewarding mismanagement and incompetence.

Lottery would be a huge event with 14 teams having NO idea where they land

[thelead]

They might as well just give every lotto team the same odds. If all these teams actually tried to win games, they would have roughly similar records to each other anyway. And if you can’t build a team that can win at least ~25 games in a season, you shouldn’t be rewarded better odds to land a transcendent player.

At this point, I completely agree. The current setup makes like as a fan of a bad team miserable.

I've always been a believer of this idea. The debate on this was, teams who have no chance to win it all (aka, us the past few years making the playoff) will tank to miss the playoff but imo that is pure bs. I do not thinks teams will miss on extra revenue for making the playoffs for an equal chance at top picks.

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100%. No one is going to intentionally miss the playoffs to have a ~7% chance of landing the #1 pick.

Hell, to better incentivize it, I wouldn't mind the next 2 worst records that make the playoffs to have a smaller percentage to still win a top pick.

1-14 have a 6.8% chance of winning the lotto
15 and 16 have a 2.5% chance each

[Xatticus]

Toronto is tanking. We need to match that.

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FFS

Not even trying to make it seem legit, these guys are healthy....I mean is it a coincidence that they are sitting pretty much all their key players against us tomorrow? trying to ensure a loss, and even then they still might win

Everyone rests guys. It's happening even more so this year due to the congested schedule of a shortened season. Teams tend to rest their best players against weaker competition. Recall that this was the reason for our false dawn a couple years ago when we went on that late-season run and finished 42-40. We were facing diminished squads. Everyone is going to rest players against us because they believe they have a chance to win regardless and they need to rest players to manage the health of their roster. Don't expect Clifford to do the same. He plays checkers.

[Knightro]

This would be a really nice game to lose because a loss tonight would essentially guarantee that the Raptors would not be able to catch the Magic at the bottom of the standings.

It would put Toronto 4.5 ahead of Orlando with just 17 to go.

[orthoman]

Cole has arms like a TRex

Bamba is the opposite of the great Mamba..no fire in him. Wouldn't be surprised if he chose another career.

[RookieStar]

Are we resting anybody along with our "legit" injured?

[orthoman]

Fultz is "ZERO" threat to shoot deep...can't shoot...may not even be playing at the same level due to knee injury...high risk of re-injury.

Isaac can't stay healthy. BTW, he was hurt at Florida State a few times. Great guy..probably will have a career of injuries.

Porter is washed up.

MCW can't shoot as good as some of the kids on my son's team.

Cole looks like a mini TRex.

This team can only attract washed up players, G League guys, 10 day contract guys.

Vuc was an absolute gentlemen...a great guy..but he, too, got destroyed in the playoffs. He represented the best Orlando has had in recent years, but was overwhelmed in the playoffs.

[MoMM]

Fultz is "ZERO" threat to shoot deep...can't shoot...may not even be playing at the same level due to knee injury...high risk of re-injury.

Isaac can't stay healthy. BTW, he was hurt at Florida State a few times. Great guy..probably will have a career of injuries.

Porter is washed up.

MCW can't shoot as good as some of the kids on my son's team.

Cole looks like a mini TRex.

This team can only attract washed up players, G League guys, 10 day contract guys.

Vuc was an absolute gentlemen...a great guy..but he, too, got destroyed in the playoffs. He represented the best Orlando has had in recent years, but was overwhelmed in the playoffs.

Last year he played really well during the playoffs.

[Nyce_1]

Friday 4/16:
7:00 PM ET Oklahoma City Thunder @ Detroit Pistons
7:00 PM ET New Orleans Pelicans @ Washington Wizards
7:30 PM ET Orlando Magic @ Toronto Raptors
8:00 PM ET Memphis Grizzlies @ Chicago Bulls
8:00 PM ET Denver Nuggets @ Houston Rockets
8:00 PM ET Miami Heat @ Minnesota Timberwolves

Not only would a loss help our odds tonight, but giving Tor a win would help them get 1 step closer to overtaking the Bulls as I expect Memphis to beat Chicago tonight.

[MoMM]

They might as well just give every lotto team the same odds. If all these teams actually tried to win games, they would have roughly similar records to each other anyway. And if you can’t build a team that can win at least ~25 games in a season, you shouldn’t be rewarded better odds to land a transcendent player.

At this point, I completely agree. The current setup makes like as a fan of a bad team miserable.

I have to agree too...It's a shame they can't use draft position to help re-balance talent but human nature always games the system...you could make a similar case for capitalism or socialism- both would work fine if not for human nature looking to hack it. I think tanking is worse for NBA biz than an equal odds lottery would be. This time of the season everybody but very best teams have to at least consider their trajectory and whether they can legitimately contend...that's not healthy. Magic SHOULD be tanking with the current system but, generally speaking, I'm not for rewarding mismanagement and incompetence.

Lottery would be a huge event with 14 teams having NO idea where they land

I just don't understand how there is no tanking on NFL, it's only based on record, but everyone is playing really hard until the end. Maybe it's the fact that the players don't have so many guaranteed contracts, so they won't accept these fake injuries?

[thelead]

At this point, I completely agree. The current setup makes like as a fan of a bad team miserable.

I have to agree too...It's a shame they can't use draft position to help re-balance talent but human nature always games the system...you could make a similar case for capitalism or socialism- both would work fine if not for human nature looking to hack it. I think tanking is worse for NBA biz than an equal odds lottery would be. This time of the season everybody but very best teams have to at least consider their trajectory and whether they can legitimately contend...that's not healthy. Magic SHOULD be tanking with the current system but, generally speaking, I'm not for rewarding mismanagement and incompetence.

Lottery would be a huge event with 14 teams having NO idea where they land

I just don't understand how there is no tanking on NFL, it's only based on record, but everyone is playing really hard until the end. Maybe it's the fact that the players don't have so many guaranteed contracts, so they won't accept these fake injuries?

There aren't enough games to tank. Teams do tank but it's typically only the last game or 2 because most teams still have a shot at the playoffs even if they're ~ 5-7 going into the last few weeks. In the NFL, a 'bad' team (one that the media thinks is bad going in) can actually go on to win it all. That doesn't happen in the NBA. And yes, contracts and hard caps make a big difference too.

[orthoman]

We are not getting Cade Cunningham. Once again, the Magic will get a second tier lottery player...4th/5th pick, like we've done the last multiple years....a rotation player.

IMO, and again, its my opinion only, the franchise should just fold...be history.

This is a league ruled by superstar players getting together to form a team...bottom dwellers can become Title contenders in one year..all it takes is for 2-3 superstars to join a given team.