The Official Franz Wagner Thread

[Gawn2TMac]

BOOOO! they couldn't wait for big bro Mo for the pic? lol

he is at the Olympics. gotta believe he has to sign some paperwork to be covered while playing summer league

Weren't they eliminated a few days ago? And if I remember Tokyo's rules correctly, once you are done, whether winning or losing, you have 48 hrs to scram. lol

But yeah it was just a joke

Germany was still playing just over 24 hours ago.

[RookieStar]

he is at the Olympics. gotta believe he has to sign some paperwork to be covered while playing summer league

Weren't they eliminated a few days ago? And if I remember Tokyo's rules correctly, once you are done, whether winning or losing, you have 48 hrs to scram. lol

But yeah it was just a joke

Germany was still playing just over 24 hours ago.

They were? I thought Luka kicked them out already

[Gawn2TMac]

Weren't they eliminated a few days ago? And if I remember Tokyo's rules correctly, once you are done, whether winning or losing, you have 48 hrs to scram. lol

But yeah it was just a joke

Germany was still playing just over 24 hours ago.

They were? I thought Luka kicked them out already

Yeah it was a bit over 24 hours ago, just before the the US knocked out Spain.

[RookieStar]

Germany was still playing just over 24 hours ago.

They were? I thought Luka kicked them out already

Yeah it was a bit over 24 hours ago, just before the the US knocked out Spain.

Ah wow... these pandemic times.. i couldve sworn a couple lf days passed already. My bad.

[drsd]

Germany was still playing just over 24 hours ago.

They were? I thought Luka kicked them out already

Yeah it was a bit over 24 hours ago, just before the the US knocked out Spain.

Germany was horrible against Slovenia, on both sides of the Ball. I guess M. Wagner will come back stateside at this point.
One way or another, he will be on some NBA roster soon.


..

[drsd]

I love that the Media has flipped when talking about Mo. As in, "Mo Wagner, who is the brother of Franz Wagner".
You could see Franz was getting irked by all the Mo questions. I was waiting for Franz to say, "I am not Mo!".

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Welcome, and welcome back!

[cedric76]

Franz is on the Orlando magic podsquad

[EasternMagic]

What statements do we put in our sigs then ?

As the impartial judge, may I suggest something like "Magicmatic is my daddy, cuz I suck " or " i heart Furinkazan no homo "... too edgy?

lol just stand there and dont worry

I say we keep it blunt:

"My name is ____, and I was completely wrong about _____."

But we'd need to stack-hands on how to determine who wins.

[yoyojw17]

Watch on YouTube

[basketballRob]

Franz is on the Orlando magic podsquad

Here's the interview.

Watch on YouTube

[Howard Mass]

As everyone knows, I have been a critic of Franz Wagner at #8.

I do not think he is a bust by any means and will be a solid 3 and D role player who will be more of a 4 but could play some 3.

Could he have a higher ceiling? Sure!

I stand by what I have said about The Magic picking James Bouknight or Moses Moody among a few others. They could have played small ball and developed Bouknight and I felt Moody could have played SF too.

However, what is done is done and even if we disagree with a pick, no one should be a negative nellie.

In past Drafts, I was right when I thought Reece Gaines was a bust (Most everyone disagreed) and Andrew Nicholson was not a good pick.

I was also wrong about The Webber for Penny swap 28 years ago (My first Draft) and liking Mario Hezonja even though I had Justice Winslow and Willie Cauley-Stein higher on my list (None of us those worked out well).

No one gets it right every time.

While I did not like The Wagner pick, I don't not like him as a player. He is going to be at least a good role player who defends and makes the three-point shot (He will get better at this). If this pick was maybe 13 or 15 and some that I liked were off the board, I'd really like this pick. I just felt there were better options. That is done now.

The Question is he more of a 3 or 4?

We will find out.

I want Franz Wagner to succeed and surpass all of our expectations and I think he has a chance to do that.

Time will tell.

[jezzerinho]

The guy i think will be the surprise of the draft is Keon Johnson.

[Knightro]

So I went back and rewatched the first half to focus just on Wagner. I don't think he was nearly as bad as it first appeared. He did a lot more good things defensively that I didn't really pick up on watching it live.

Here's every possession he was directly involved in offensively and defensively. Good plays are in GREEN. Correct plays with poor results are in ORANGE. Poor plays are in RED.

First Quarter
9:35 Q1: Good off ball cut from the left wing to beat Kuminga to the rim. Suggs didn't see it.
8:50 Q1: Correctly defends Kuminga DHO with Hampton. Jessup misses contested 3.
7:58 Q1: Correctly defends Kuminga/Moody PNR. Kuminga misses 3.
7:50 Q1: Spots up in right corner in transition. Open C&S 3PT against flat footed Kuminga. Missed short.
7:09 Q1: Spots up in right corner off Anthony drive and kick. Looks to drive baseline on Kuminga close out, but steps out on the initial move. Turnover.
6:26 Q1: Good 1 on 1 defense on Kuminga iso. Funnels him into Teske's help. Kuminga badly misses runner.
6:20 Q1: Gets a look ahead pass in transition from Suggs. Two dribbles and sees Hampton open in right corner, but loses the handle. Turnover.
6:11 Q1: Throws a look ahead pass to Hampton in transition for an open 3PT. RJ Missed.
6:04 Q1: Takes a semi-contested C&S 3PTA off Suggs OREB and kickout. Missed short.
5:07 Q1: Beats Kuminga with another good off ball cut from the left wing. Teske hits the pass for the dunk.
4:52 Q1: Good contest on a 1 dribble pull up 3 by Kuminga who missed.
4:05 Q1: Correctly executes switch onto Moody after Kuminga DHO. Good contest on Moody late shot clock 3 who missed.
6 good plays, 3 correct plays with poor/no results, 3 poor plays.

Second Quarter
7:17 Q2: Cuts off Alston's drive on a DHO forcing him to pick up dribble. Switches onto Payton after second DHO. Switches again to McLaughlin after third DHO. But McLaughlin hits 3PT in his face. Good work seamlessly switching 3x in one possession, but poor 3PT contest.
6:35 Q2: Hustles to recover loose ball after Anthony STL. Hits look ahead bounce pass to Hampton for transition layup.
6:00 Q2: Cuts off Guy in transition after long rebound to force halfcourt possession.
5:20 Q2: Closes out too aggressively on Kuminga in semi transition and is beat for a layup.
5:01 Q2: Sets good screen for Suggs to force a switch and draws off ball foul on McLaughlin diving to the rim.
4:47 Q2: Passes up open 3PT off SLOB play. Pump fakes and kicks back out.
4:20 Q2: Correctly defends Kuminga/McLaughlin DHO with Suggs, forcing a harmless pass away from the rim.
4:05 Q2: Cuts to the rim from the left baseline on a Hampton drive. Open for dunk/layup, but Hampton throws inaccurate pass for a turnover.
3:57 Q2: Grab and go fastbreak off DREB. Hits Hampton with bounce pass who is fouled.
3:45 Q2: Spots up left wing. Open C&S 3PTA against flat footed Kuminga. Missed short.
3:08 Q2: Tries to hit Hampton on a cut, but pass was inaccurate and help defender poked it out of bounds.
2:34 Q2: Correctly executes PNR switch with Suggs and forces Ross to pass harmlessly back to the top.
1:29 Q2: Correctly rotates to help Suggs who was beat by Jessup. Suggs blocks Jessup from behind.
1:04 Q2: Kuminga drives baseline in semi-transition and uses off-arm to push off to beat him for layup.
48.9 Q2: Spots up top of the arc as Anthony draws two defenders on PNR. Hesitates on the open 3PTA and instead tries to dribble into a handoff back to Anthony. Lazy pass that Kuminga jumps for the easy steal and transition dunk. Wagner's worst play of the half by a lot.
30.0 Q2: Exact same play as before, Anthony/Wagner PNR, drive right and kick back to the top or arc. Misses the open C&S 3PTA short.
11.0 Q2: Good defense on Kuminga ISO. Force harmless pass.
8 good plays, 4 correct plays with poor/no results, 6 poor plays.

FIRST HALF TOTALS: 14 good plays, 7 correct plays without results, 9 poor plays.

He wasn't used all that much offensively in the first half. Most possessions he was spotting up in the corners or on the wing.

I counted just two possessions in the half court where he was on the ball to initiate offense with a live dribble and three possession where he was used as a ball screener.

Defensively IMO he has the goods. Kuminga beat him twice in the first half (once with a clear push off) but he stoned Kuminga 4-5 times in return.

I'll get to the second half tomorrow.

[thelead]

I can’t believe you actually went through the tape to gather that info. Good stuff. I need more offense from him and I don’t mean just hitting his shots. He’s 19 and if we drafted solely a ‘solid 3&D guy’ with the 8th pick in a good draft, the FO needs to go. A ‘solid 3&D guy’ can’t be what the FO is hoping for with that pick. He needs to develop a go-to offensive package if he doesn’t have one.

[Horcy]

He was awful but he seemed really nervous. It's also difficult to play as a young guy when more experienced teammates as Anthony or RJ are running out of control making stupid handovers.
Let's agree that the starting lineup played incredibly horrible except Suggs who was ok in thr 1st quarter. When the second unit came in it was a breath of fresh air for all of us.

I trust Wagner and I trust german mentality. Also Moritz arrival should be useful for him. When is he coming?

[Magicfanatic82]

Cole and RJ took the pace thing too literally. Way out of control with the dribble. The passing was also sloppy as a team but it was thier first time playing and most of the practice has been defense.

One thing to remember Golden State played other games prior to coming to Vegas. My hope is a crisper offense tonight with more passing ahead off the def rebound to create transition buckets.

[Nyce_1]

I can’t believe you actually went through the tape to gather that info. Good stuff. I need more offense from him and I don’t mean just hitting his shots. He’s 19 and if we drafted solely a ‘solid 3&D guy’ with the 8th pick in a good draft, the FO needs to go. A ‘solid 3&D guy’ can’t be what the FO is hoping for with that pick. He needs to develop a go-to offensive package if he doesn’t have one.

I think he'll be more than 3&D. I think he'll be a offensive hub for our team; a little bit of everything to keep the engine running smoothly. Maybe like Draymond's role in Golden State, offensively, but he'll be a better shooter.

[tiderulz]

I can’t believe you actually went through the tape to gather that info. Good stuff. I need more offense from him and I don’t mean just hitting his shots. He’s 19 and if we drafted solely a ‘solid 3&D guy’ with the 8th pick in a good draft, the FO needs to go. A ‘solid 3&D guy’ can’t be what the FO is hoping for with that pick. He needs to develop a go-to offensive package if he doesn’t have one.

we drafted Isaac at 5 and he is a 3&D guy (though still working on the 3)

[Nyce_1]

Spoiler:

So I went back and rewatched the first half to focus just on Wagner. I don't think he was nearly as bad as it first appeared. He did a lot more good things defensively that I didn't really pick up on watching it live.

Here's every possession he was directly involved in offensively and defensively. Good plays are in GREEN. Correct plays with poor results are in ORANGE. Poor plays are in RED.

First Quarter
9:35 Q1: Good off ball cut from the left wing to beat Kuminga to the rim. Suggs didn't see it.
8:50 Q1: Correctly defends Kuminga DHO with Hampton. Jessup misses contested 3.
7:58 Q1: Correctly defends Kuminga/Moody PNR. Kuminga misses 3.
7:50 Q1: Spots up in right corner in transition. Open C&S 3PT against flat footed Kuminga. Missed short.
7:09 Q1: Spots up in right corner off Anthony drive and kick. Looks to drive baseline on Kuminga close out, but steps out on the initial move. Turnover.
6:26 Q1: Good 1 on 1 defense on Kuminga iso. Funnels him into Teske's help. Kuminga badly misses runner.
6:20 Q1: Gets a look ahead pass in transition from Suggs. Two dribbles and sees Hampton open in right corner, but loses the handle. Turnover.
6:11 Q1: Throws a look ahead pass to Hampton in transition for an open 3PT. RJ Missed.
6:04 Q1: Takes a semi-contested C&S 3PTA off Suggs OREB and kickout. Missed short.
5:07 Q1: Beats Kuminga with another good off ball cut from the left wing. Teske hits the pass for the dunk.
4:52 Q1: Good contest on a 1 dribble pull up 3 by Kuminga who missed.
4:05 Q1: Correctly executes switch onto Moody after Kuminga DHO. Good contest on Moody late shot clock 3 who missed.
6 good plays, 3 correct plays with poor/no results, 3 poor plays.

Second Quarter
7:17 Q2: Cuts off Alston's drive on a DHO forcing him to pick up dribble. Switches onto Payton after second DHO. Switches again to McLaughlin after third DHO. But McLaughlin hits 3PT in his face. Good work seamlessly switching 3x in one possession, but poor 3PT contest.
6:35 Q2: Hustles to recover loose ball after Anthony STL. Hits look ahead bounce pass to Hampton for transition layup.
6:00 Q2: Cuts off Guy in transition after long rebound to force halfcourt possession.
5:20 Q2: Closes out too aggressively on Kuminga in semi transition and is beat for a layup.
5:01 Q2: Sets good screen for Suggs to force a switch and draws off ball foul on McLaughlin diving to the rim.
4:47 Q2: Passes up open 3PT off SLOB play. Pump fakes and kicks back out.
4:20 Q2: Correctly defends Kuminga/McLaughlin DHO with Suggs, forcing a harmless pass away from the rim.
4:05 Q2: Cuts to the rim from the left baseline on a Hampton drive. Open for dunk/layup, but Hampton throws inaccurate pass for a turnover.
3:57 Q2: Grab and go fastbreak off DREB. Hits Hampton with bounce pass who is fouled.
3:45 Q2: Spots up left wing. Open C&S 3PTA against flat footed Kuminga. Missed short.
3:08 Q2: Tries to hit Hampton on a cut, but pass was inaccurate and help defender poked it out of bounds.
2:34 Q2: Correctly executes PNR switch with Suggs and forces Ross to pass harmlessly back to the top.
1:29 Q2: Correctly rotates to help Suggs who was beat by Jessup. Suggs blocks Jessup from behind.
1:04 Q2: Kuminga drives baseline in semi-transition and uses off-arm to push off to beat him for layup.
48.9 Q2: Spots up top of the arc as Anthony draws two defenders on PNR. Hesitates on the open 3PTA and instead tries to dribble into a handoff back to Anthony. Lazy pass that Kuminga jumps for the easy steal and transition dunk. Wagner's worst play of the half by a lot.
30.0 Q2: Exact same play as before, Anthony/Wagner PNR, drive right and kick back to the top or arc. Misses the open C&S 3PTA short.
11.0 Q2: Good defense on Kuminga ISO. Force harmless pass.

8 good plays, 4 correct plays with poor/no results, 6 poor plays.

FIRST HALF TOTALS: 14 good plays, 7 correct plays without results, 9 poor plays.

He wasn't used all that much offensively in the first half. Most possessions he was spotting up in the corners or on the wing.

I counted just two possessions in the half court where he was on the ball to initiate offense with a live dribble and three possession where he was used as a ball screener.

Defensively IMO he has the goods. Kuminga beat him twice in the first half (once with a clear push off) but he stoned Kuminga 4-5 times in return.

I'll get to the second half tomorrow.

This was awesome. Thanks!

What's encouraging is his 2nd half was much better than the first.