2022-2023 Regular Season Game 60: Detroit Pistons (15-44) at Orlando Magic (24-35) - 7pm

[drsd]

Difficult to find the glass-half full here. It is odd to win a game where the FG% battle is lost. And furthermore, Orlando got smoked in 3-pt FG%.

But why Orlando won this game is clear: Orlando DOMINATED in total possessions. Not only did the Magic take 14 more FG attempts. The Magic also took more FTs. But Orlando was not better rebounding (only +1 here).

So, the glass-half full stat that led to this win is TO-differential of all things.

Double the amount of o-rebs is big, too. We didn't win the rebounding battle because Detroit was making so many of their jump shots, hence no cheap defensive rebound. Also means less opportunities for Detroit to offensive rebounds, but not to the point we should be doubling them up in that category.

The glass half-full element could also simply be that Detroit was red-hot shooting the ball, and we weren't. Yet we still managed to win.

And-1

And it wasn't like Orlando had bad perimeter defense; Detroit simply made shots.


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[Ralof]

Just funny how sure some of you are on him…

Someone has an opinion, tries to point out things as it happens during the game—continually by the way—to validate that opinion and they’re a troll?

lol Come on guys… My last comment that he sucks was definitely foolish, but all my other points are reasonable—EVERY TIME trying to layup or finger roll instead of playing like a 6’10” big, his low FG on volume shooting, his whiny/moping after weak takes and not getting back… He’s talented, he is not a player to build around as your number 1….

Having an opinion on Banchero is fine but wanting him traded 53 games into his rookie season is a bit much.

Even if you believe he is not a player to build around--why wouldn't you at least keep him and find someone else? Why would we just trade away talent so that we can continue finding "better talent" in your opinion?

No, we'll keep him.

wanting him traded is a bit much but say that he is next zion-lebron-luka is pretty normal

you simply want to see"the savior"we wait for these many years and there is no argument we can make to change your biased idea.

always the same with our rookies,always extremely overated,and that would pretty normal,what is not is to arrive to bash other players of the team who are doing their things fine just to justify rookies limitations.

[Ralof]

I definitely loved the win, and I think WCJ and Markelle are emerging as the leaders of this team. The scrap hard on D and this team is going places in the next couple years.

Now on to Paolo…he’s definitely struggling, but I’m not about to declare him a bad player or anything. We know that’s not the case. I think Mosely needs to prioritize getting Paolo the ball more, it seems like they aren’t feeding him in places to score because others are playing well. If I’m Mosely, I start giving him the ball early and often to start games to get him going and grow the confidence back up.

no,he has to take ball less and in specific positions.
giving the ball more on the permiter would be even more deadly for him and the rest of the team.

teams and refs adjusted a bit and he showed he can not be a perimeter scorer,he can not beat his man cause he is not athletic enough and the ball handling is not there for a forward(he is a big 6-10 damn,is pretty normal).

but

if we can feed in the post at the elbow and on switches and put him in the pick and roll/pop as the roller we could take advantage of his skills,and clearly he has skills around the basket and in drawing fouls and also he is a good passer.

synthesizing banchero could be the next good/great Orlando magic center,following our glorious tradition.

[basketballRob]

The NBA put the whole end of the game, with the last 3 minutes:

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It looks like the crowds are getting better from that video. That'll help land a free agent. I remember when Iguodola signed with Golden State, he talked about the excitement from the crowds. He was the missing piece for them.

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[basketballRob]

Difficult to find the glass-half full here. It is odd to win a game where the FG% battle is lost. And furthermore, Orlando got smoked in 3-pt FG%.

But why Orlando won this game is clear: Orlando DOMINATED in total possessions. Not only did the Magic take 14 more FG attempts. The Magic also took more FTs. But Orlando was not better rebounding (only +1 here).

So, the glass-half full stat that led to this win is TO-differential of all things.

Double the amount of o-rebs is big, too. We didn't win the rebounding battle because Detroit was making so many of their jump shots, hence no cheap defensive rebound. Also means less opportunities for Detroit to offensive rebounds, but not to the point we should be doubling them up in that category.

The glass half-full element could also simply be that Detroit was red-hot shooting the ball, and we weren't. Yet we still managed to win.

And-1

And it wasn't like Orlando had bad perimeter defense; Detroit simply made shots.


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I'm worried about our perimeter defense against the Pacers. Haliburton, Hield, Mathurin, McDonnell, Nembhard, and Duarte. They aren't a good matchup for us.

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[pepe1991]

The NBA put the whole end of the game, with the last 3 minutes:

Watch on YouTube

It looks like the crowds are getting better from that video. That'll help land a free agent. I remember when Iguodola signed with Golden State, he talked about the excitement from the crowds. He was the missing piece for them.

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Igoudala signed with Warriors because two of his closest friends were best Warriors player and Warriors head coach.

Whole Nuggets- Warriors series before free agency is one of dirtiest sports stories . Mainly because of Igoudala himself.

He still goes on podcasts and sell bulls*** how Curry was "trashtalking" to him, where ex Nuggets players and coaches said he was out there going to dinners with Jackson ,Green; Curry after games. Just straight up mole.

Iggy was attracted to $50M , big, booming market, better team, more sucess and ..two close friends.

Fact that Igoudala still holds grudge against whole nba in Jackson's case, 8 years later says a lot about their personal relationship.

[Orlando Dawg]

That’s good to know the Magic can beat the Pistons on the last shot.
What a great game.

[Bergmaniac]

A big part of Paolo's struggles lately is that the team is doing an absolutely terrible job at getting him easier looks. It's downright bizarre that we almost never run any plays to put him in a good position to score and that's on the coach. We barely ever run any pick and rolls with him as the roller. He rarely gets the ball closer to the basket outside of some transition plays too. He is expected to create for himself almost everything apart from the catch and shoot 3s he gets sometimes, but he is not good at catch and shoot 3s so this doesn't help his efficiency at all. He is pretty good at creating for himself, especially for a big and a rookie, but he is not good enough to be able to do this efficiently all season when he barely get chances for easier buckets. Of all the shots he took in this game, not a single one was an easy look largely created for him by a teammate. All of them were mostly created by Paolo himself.

Anyway, this was a pretty poor game by both teams, both looked quite rusty after the break. We scraped a win and that's one of the few good things here. Suggs was absolutely terrible on offense and a major reason the game was close. Every time he takes a three with 18 seconds on the shot clock I can't help but scream at him. The bench in general was pretty bad outside of Isaac and almost cost us the game. Fultz had a really good second half after a poor first. Paolo continues to struggle scoring wise and Mosley needs to find a way to get him better looks. Wendell had some huge boards and of course the game winner. Franz with a nice bounce back game. Harris again shot really well and had a solid game.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Banchero is struggling all on his own TBH. He is an iso ball stopper type that is trying to figure out what works in the NBA and what doesn't. The biggest thing I'm seeing now vs earlier in the year is how soft he is playing around the rim and how he kind of knows the best thing he can do is get to the line so sometimes on his drives he is just trying to get to the line instead of finishing. He just needs to stop being so soft and he'll be alright. Long term the iso ball-stopper stop will be a concern.

[Skybox]

Good win.

But - I'm really looking forward to progressing our offense to the point where we blow out inferior teams from end to end instead of heroic buzzer beaters.

[basketballRob]

The NBA put the whole end of the game, with the last 3 minutes:

Watch on YouTube

It looks like the crowds are getting better from that video. That'll help land a free agent. I remember when Iguodola signed with Golden State, he talked about the excitement from the crowds. He was the missing piece for them.

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Igoudala signed with Warriors because two of his closest friends were best Warriors player and Warriors head coach.

Whole Nuggets- Warriors series before free agency is one of dirtiest sports stories . Mainly because of Igoudala himself.

He still goes on podcasts and sell bulls*** how Curry was "trashtalking" to him, where ex Nuggets players and coaches said he was out there going to dinners with Jackson ,Green; Curry after games. Just straight up mole.

Iggy was attracted to $50M , big, booming market, better team, more sucess and ..two close friends.

Fact that Igoudala still holds grudge against whole nba in Jackson's case, 8 years later says a lot about their personal relationship.

Golden State had the loudest fans in the playoffs and remember vividly Iggy saying that was a big reason he was signing there.

He also had way better offers.

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[eyriq]

A real defensive battle! Lots of fun. Looking at the four factors we got crushed on eFG% but dominated TOV% and ORB%. WCJ was a key driver in ORB% and Isaac was a key driver on TOV%. Isaac was 8th in mins. I'd love to see his minutes continue to ratchet up.

[JoshuaPotter]

A real defensive battle! Lots of fun. Looking at the four factors we got crushed on eFG% but dominated TOV% and ORB%. WCJ was a key driver in ORB% and Isaac was a key driver on TOV%. Isaac was 8th in mins. I'd love to see his minutes continue to ratchet up.

Someone in the thread mentioned burning the tape. I think that's a fair assessment. But please lets not burn the boxscore.

Things I liked
Last play of the game the ball in Paolo's hands. This is key for us and Paolo and his development as a player.
WCJ proving what I said about him yesterday in that he is a glue guy. Does everything a center needs to do well.
Isaac showing why he is the last man standing of the prior team. With very very good reason.
Fultz and G Harris taking a combined 10 3pta needs to happen every game.
Fultz playing like a shark against Detroit's guards.

What I didnt like has probably been well stated by others in this thread at some point or another.

[Bergmaniac]

Banchero is struggling all on his own TBH. He is an iso ball stopper type that is trying to figure out what works in the NBA and what doesn't. The biggest thing I'm seeing now vs earlier in the year is how soft he is playing around the rim and how he kind of knows the best thing he can do is get to the line so sometimes on his drives he is just trying to get to the line instead of finishing. He just needs to stop being so soft and he'll be alright. Long term the iso ball-stopper stop will be a concern.

Of course a lot of this on Paolo himself, but he's asked to do what very, very few rookies can do over a whole season. Having to create almost all of your shots and take the physical punishment of driving inside and getting hacked multiple times game in and game out is very tough and exhausting. Paolo is very strong physically for a rookie, but he is not an all-time freak like LeBron or Giannis and we should keep this in mind.

[fendilim]

Banchero is struggling all on his own TBH. He is an iso ball stopper type that is trying to figure out what works in the NBA and what doesn't. The biggest thing I'm seeing now vs earlier in the year is how soft he is playing around the rim and how he kind of knows the best thing he can do is get to the line so sometimes on his drives he is just trying to get to the line instead of finishing. He just needs to stop being so soft and he'll be alright. Long term the iso ball-stopper stop will be a concern.

I’d cut down on the iso ball stopper. Every scorer does iso ball.

that also happened early in the season, except he would make those shots or go to the line. You would notice Mosley would find ways to make sure he would get at least 4 points every quarter. Or run iso plays for him. Sometimes we would even run iso plays for him or get him to the post just so he can hit 20 ppg.

now he is struggling, his iso balls are being highlighted and perhaps considered forcing the issue.

I would say he has hit the rookie wall really hard and is frustrated and struggling to get up.

[JoshuaPotter]

Banchero is struggling all on his own TBH. He is an iso ball stopper type that is trying to figure out what works in the NBA and what doesn't. The biggest thing I'm seeing now vs earlier in the year is how soft he is playing around the rim and how he kind of knows the best thing he can do is get to the line so sometimes on his drives he is just trying to get to the line instead of finishing. He just needs to stop being so soft and he'll be alright. Long term the iso ball-stopper stop will be a concern.

I’d cut down on the iso ball stopper. Every scorer does iso ball.

that also happened early in the season, except he would make those shots or go to the line. You would notice Mosley would find ways to make sure he would get at least 4 points every quarter. Or run iso plays for him. Sometimes we would even run iso plays for him or get him to the post just so he can hit 20 ppg.

now he is struggling, his iso balls are being highlighted and perhaps considered forcing the issue.

I would say he has hit the rookie wall really hard and is frustrated and struggling to get up.

This whole "it's all his fault and he is struggling all on his own" is true but not the whole story. The defense the team plays against us is written around him and making the rest of our team step up. Franz included.

[Rick Rolled]

That third quarter has to be one of the best quarters we’ve seen from Fultz.

Suffocating defense, shot and sunk a three
without hesitation, great passing. Just overall great energy and confidence.

[Optimus_Steel]

Was that the first buzzer beater this year? I think so, it's been a long time since we've had one.

Also Paolo got knocked down by his teammates during the celebration lol.

[Knightro]

A big part of Paolo's struggles lately is that the team is doing an absolutely terrible job at getting him easier looks. It's downright bizarre that we almost never run any plays to put him in a good position to score and that's on the coach. We barely ever run any pick and rolls with him as the roller. He rarely gets the ball closer to the basket outside of some transition plays too. He is expected to create for himself almost everything apart from the catch and shoot 3s he gets sometimes, but he is not good at catch and shoot 3s so this doesn't help his efficiency at all. He is pretty good at creating for himself, especially for a big and a rookie, but he is not good enough to be able to do this efficiently all season when he barely get chances for easier buckets. Of all the shots he took in this game, not a single one was an easy look largely created for him by a teammate. All of them were mostly created by Paolo himself.

Anyway, this was a pretty poor game by both teams, both looked quite rusty after the break. We scraped a win and that's one of the few good things here. Suggs was absolutely terrible on offense and a major reason the game was close. Every time he takes a three with 18 seconds on the shot clock I can't help but scream at him. The bench in general was pretty bad outside of Isaac and almost cost us the game. Fultz had a really good second half after a poor first. Paolo continues to struggle scoring wise and Mosley needs to find a way to get him better looks. Wendell had some huge boards and of course the game winner. Franz with a nice bounce back game. Harris again shot really well and had a solid game.

Theoretically... this is a good thing even if it causes some ugly struggles in the short-term.

Given that the Magic are 10 games under .500 and not likely to make the playoffs this year anyway, I would much rather spam Paolo ISOs so he can figure out (sometimes the hard way!) what works and what doesn't work.

It feels like force feeding Paolo as much difficult stuff as he can stomach and dealing with the inevitable spit up that is gonna happen when he fails sometimes, has much more potential long-term for the organization than trying to spoon feed him easy stuff only.

[Bergmaniac]

I am not saying they should only spoon fed him easy stuff, far from it, but some plays like this more than once in a blue moon to get him going would be nice.