All in!! Anfernee Simons 2.0

[BadMofoPimp]

Jett should be added to any deals since defenseless players are no better than role players in this league. See what happened when the Magic held onto Bamba too long. This is the highest his value may get.

[Idiosyncratic]

Jett should be added to any deals since defenseless players are no better than role players in this league. See what happened when the Magic held onto Bamba too long. This is the highest his value may get.

Yeah I have Jett as near no value except as a long-shot lottery ticket. I mean it's been that way since he was drafted since I had a late 2nd grade on him.

I really would like for him to get a chance to shot chuck on a bad team if possible because otherwise I don't know how he ever proves he has a chance to be a player. So I am down to deal him for his sake as well at this point.

[three3d]

Jett is one dimensional, he’s got an extremely fast release on his shot so he has to be used in a very specific style offensively. He doesn’t elevate the players around him like Simons would for us. Jett is best coming off screens catching and shooting with that fast shot. He’s not going to dribble and creat for teammates and be able to pass the way Simons is able to.

Simons can creat his own shot, he’s got a really nice step back and can also step to the side and shoot. He’s also more able to run pick and roll action and make the right play either for himself or a teammate. This is not a knock on Simons, watch him and it all looks so effortless. He’s like Paolo and Franz in a combo guard body, he’s going to make the right pass or play and can get buckets for himself .

[Skybox]

I think a lot of teams would take a swing at Jett. I think he's got every likelihood to be in the realm of Kennard, Kispert, Hield "types" and maybe even become more...but we wont' really have a spot for him if things move the right way, so including him might A) enable us to save hold back some draft equity and B) get rid of some guaranteed salary.

I'm not out on Jett, but that's not enough reason to cling to him.

[RichCollab]

I think a lot of teams would take a swing at Jett. I think he's got every likelihood to be in the realm of Kennard, Kispert, Hield "types" and maybe even become more...but we wont' really have a spot for him if things move the right way, so including him might A) enable us to save hold back some draft equity and B) get rid of some guaranteed salary.

I'm not out on Jett, but that's not enough reason to cling to him.

I’m ok trading Jett if we get back a player we are pretty certain we will keep.

[DusterBuster]

Jett is one dimensional, he’s got an extremely fast release on his shot so he has to be used in a very specific style offensively. He doesn’t elevate the players around him like Simons would for us. Jett is best coming off screens catching and shooting with that fast shot. He’s not going to dribble and creat for teammates and be able to pass the way Simons is able to.

Simons can creat his own shot, he’s got a really nice step back and can also step to the side and shoot. He’s also more able to run pick and roll action and make the right play either for himself or a teammate. This is not a knock on Simons, watch him and it all looks so effortless. He’s like Paolo and Franz in a combo guard body, he’s going to make the right pass or play and can get buckets for himself .

You have to remember, Simons spent his entire career learning under Dame Lillard. If you watch their games, you can see how much Ant patterned his game after Dame. Certainly he’s not as good as Dame and never will be, but the PnR skill and shooting mechanics have almost identical form. Dame has a better natural feel for the game and higher motor to be a killer and put teams away than Ant has, which is why one is a future HOFer and one is just really good, but something to consider.

[Rainwater]

I'm really at the point of let's see what happens. We have done this Simons thing the entire season.

I probably am fine with a late 1st and Jett in a vacuum, but I have laid out why it putting them near the luxury tax next year before even filling out the roster makes me think it is unlikely.

I would be excited if they got him, his shooting gravity could be huge. But on the flipside I don't know why people act like he is a surefire offensive juggernaut when there are guys with similar roles who put up better efficiency. Poole, Sexton, Cam Thomas, all do the same no defense combo guard stuff on bad teams and score it more efficiently this year. It is one of the least valuable archetypes in the league.

Not everyone is going to think getting a player like that at 27 million per is a slam dunk.

I think you are making the mistake of just judging Simons off this season (a slow start) when careerwise he is just as efficient as Poole, Sexton, and Cam Thomas.

Additionally, roles matter, something I feel like people often forget. Poole was a good sixth man for the Warriors but when you try to make him into a go to player that is when you run into issues. AG is great role player for the Nuggets, but when you try to make him a go to player like the Magic did, again, that is when you run into issues. With Franz and Paolo here, Simons will not have the same role he has in Portland. I think he would fit in perfectly here as a sixth man, the role that Cole was supposed to have. I feel like part of the Blazers' failure, is that they have Simons miscast as a star when he is more supporting cast.

If you are talking finances, I think that Simons might be a problem especially as a sixth man. But other than that, he would be a great fit. With that being said, I doubt that the Magic trade for Simons or anyone else for that matter. I think they really love the wait and see approach and will prefer to grow from within. And I think the cost of Simons will be too much and the Magic would rather see what they have in Black.

Nope, mostly looking at career numbers. Had a couple of pretty efficient years and now has had a couple of meh efficiency years. Still not bad for his role, but not great, that's all. Have already said I like the fit and appreciate the gravity his volume could bring.
Just showing there are other guys in the league with a similar role shooting the ball better. They also are on bad teams being asked to do a lot.

Offense only combo guard is just not the most valuable role. We are starved for offense so it may seem so, but I'm just pointing out why they may hesitate to pay up for it at 27 mil, that's all. I don't think potentially going into the tax and losing a 1st for a Simons rental is a no-brainer. Would I take the chance? I think I would be OK with it, but the other argument is valid.

I just disagree with this. If you were looking at the career TS% of Thomas, Sexton, Simons, and Poole; Simons has the second highest TS% amongst the 4 only trailing Sexton. And honestly, there is not much difference between Simons and Sexton when he is only trailing by .006. Simons is pretty much just as efficient as Thomas, Sexton, and Poole. As this season progresses, I do believe Simons' TS% will increase. And again, the TS% is not the stat I would be looking at if the Magic did choose to trade for Simons.

I won't debate on you on price, which will be a problem and why I doubt a trade will occur, but I do believe a microwave scorer is surely needed by this team especially off the bench. Last season when Cole was playing like a 6th man candidate, the magic looked great. If the Magic could get consistent version of that, it would do them wonders.

[Idiosyncratic]

I think you are making the mistake of just judging Simons off this season (a slow start) when careerwise he is just as efficient as Poole, Sexton, and Cam Thomas.

Additionally, roles matter, something I feel like people often forget. Poole was a good sixth man for the Warriors but when you try to make him into a go to player that is when you run into issues. AG is great role player for the Nuggets, but when you try to make him a go to player like the Magic did, again, that is when you run into issues. With Franz and Paolo here, Simons will not have the same role he has in Portland. I think he would fit in perfectly here as a sixth man, the role that Cole was supposed to have. I feel like part of the Blazers' failure, is that they have Simons miscast as a star when he is more supporting cast.

If you are talking finances, I think that Simons might be a problem especially as a sixth man. But other than that, he would be a great fit. With that being said, I doubt that the Magic trade for Simons or anyone else for that matter. I think they really love the wait and see approach and will prefer to grow from within. And I think the cost of Simons will be too much and the Magic would rather see what they have in Black.

Nope, mostly looking at career numbers. Had a couple of pretty efficient years and now has had a couple of meh efficiency years. Still not bad for his role, but not great, that's all. Have already said I like the fit and appreciate the gravity his volume could bring.
Just showing there are other guys in the league with a similar role shooting the ball better. They also are on bad teams being asked to do a lot.

Offense only combo guard is just not the most valuable role. We are starved for offense so it may seem so, but I'm just pointing out why they may hesitate to pay up for it at 27 mil, that's all. I don't think potentially going into the tax and losing a 1st for a Simons rental is a no-brainer. Would I take the chance? I think I would be OK with it, but the other argument is valid.

I just disagree with this. If you were looking at the career TS% of Thomas, Sexton, Simons, and Poole; Simons has the second highest TS% amongst the 4 only trailing Sexton. And honestly, there is not much difference between Simons and Sexton when he is only trailing by .006. Simons is pretty much just as efficient as Thomas, Sexton, and Poole. As this season progresses, I do believe Simons' TS% will increase. And again, the TS% is not the stat I would be looking at if the Magic did choose to trade for Simons.

I won't debate on you on price, which will be a problem and why I doubt a trade will occur, but I do believe a microwave scorer is surely needed by this team especially off the bench. Last season when Cole was playing like an 6th man candidate, the magic looked great. If the Magic could get consistent version of that, it would do them wonders.

I don't think we are disagreeing on much here. I've already stated I like the potential spacing he would bring from that 3 volume. Efficiency should tick up on a better team and maybe better coaching/shot selection.

I think when I posted about Poole and such it was a rebuttal to people acting like he is great offensively right now. There's a bunch of guys who are considered not that desirable doing similar stuff. Poole, Mccollum, Sexton, Cam Thomas, Quickley. It seems like teams rarely end up happy when they pay those types. And typically that archetype is available late in drafts. Poole 28, CJ 10th in a bad draft, Simons 24th, Quickley 25th, Cam Thomas 27th, Sexton 8th, Cole 15th, Pritchard 26th.

Shouldn't be that hard to find that player. Which is why I think it's not a no-brainer to pay a 1st and pay him 27+ million next year. Again though, I don't hate it, just playing devil's advocate.

[Rainwater]

Nope, mostly looking at career numbers. Had a couple of pretty efficient years and now has had a couple of meh efficiency years. Still not bad for his role, but not great, that's all. Have already said I like the fit and appreciate the gravity his volume could bring.
Just showing there are other guys in the league with a similar role shooting the ball better. They also are on bad teams being asked to do a lot.

Offense only combo guard is just not the most valuable role. We are starved for offense so it may seem so, but I'm just pointing out why they may hesitate to pay up for it at 27 mil, that's all. I don't think potentially going into the tax and losing a 1st for a Simons rental is a no-brainer. Would I take the chance? I think I would be OK with it, but the other argument is valid.

I just disagree with this. If you were looking at the career TS% of Thomas, Sexton, Simons, and Poole; Simons has the second highest TS% amongst the 4 only trailing Sexton. And honestly, there is not much difference between Simons and Sexton when he is only trailing by .006. Simons is pretty much just as efficient as Thomas, Sexton, and Poole. As this season progresses, I do believe Simons' TS% will increase. And again, the TS% is not the stat I would be looking at if the Magic did choose to trade for Simons.

I won't debate on you on price, which will be a problem and why I doubt a trade will occur, but I do believe a microwave scorer is surely needed by this team especially off the bench. Last season when Cole was playing like an 6th man candidate, the magic looked great. If the Magic could get consistent version of that, it would do them wonders.

I don't think we are disagreeing on much here. I've already stated I like the potential spacing he would bring from that 3 volume. Efficiency should tick up on a better team and maybe better coaching/shot selection.

I think when I posted about Poole and such it was a rebuttal to people acting like he is great offensively right now. There's a bunch of guys who are considered not that desirable doing similar stuff. Poole, Mccollum, Sexton, Cam Thomas, Quickley. It seems like teams rarely end up happy when they pay those types. And typically that archetype is available late in drafts. Poole 28, CJ 10th in a bad draft, Simons 24th, Quickley 25th, Cam Thomas 27th, Sexton 8th, Cole 15th, Pritchard 26th.

Shouldn't be that hard to find that player. Which is why I think it's not a no-brainer to pay a 1st and pay him 27+ million next year. Again though, I don't hate it, just playing devil's advocate.

It is just that you said you were looking at career TS% numbers and making the case there are more efficient players (given the players you named) than Simons which is both inaccurate. Again, I feel like teams are unhappy depending on the roles you ask these guys to play. Poole was great as a 6th man in Golden State but asking him to play go to player on a team might not be the best choice. Monk was absolutely terrible with the Lakers but is great with his role with the Kings.

And getting a that player out of the draft is not that easy. Most guys are out of the league within their first for years. And man, until recently the Magic have been drafting bust since Dwight Howard left. It's better that you get the sure thing rather than hoping to draft one or waiting for them to grow into the player you need. And if you do draft that guy, you will end up paying them anyway given the price for Microwave scorer.

[Idiosyncratic]

I just disagree with this. If you were looking at the career TS% of Thomas, Sexton, Simons, and Poole; Simons has the second highest TS% amongst the 4 only trailing Sexton. And honestly, there is not much difference between Simons and Sexton when he is only trailing by .006. Simons is pretty much just as efficient as Thomas, Sexton, and Poole. As this season progresses, I do believe Simons' TS% will increase. And again, the TS% is not the stat I would be looking at if the Magic did choose to trade for Simons.

I won't debate on you on price, which will be a problem and why I doubt a trade will occur, but I do believe a microwave scorer is surely needed by this team especially off the bench. Last season when Cole was playing like an 6th man candidate, the magic looked great. If the Magic could get consistent version of that, it would do them wonders.

I don't think we are disagreeing on much here. I've already stated I like the potential spacing he would bring from that 3 volume. Efficiency should tick up on a better team and maybe better coaching/shot selection.

I think when I posted about Poole and such it was a rebuttal to people acting like he is great offensively right now. There's a bunch of guys who are considered not that desirable doing similar stuff. Poole, Mccollum, Sexton, Cam Thomas, Quickley. It seems like teams rarely end up happy when they pay those types. And typically that archetype is available late in drafts. Poole 28, CJ 10th in a bad draft, Simons 24th, Quickley 25th, Cam Thomas 27th, Sexton 8th, Cole 15th, Pritchard 26th.

Shouldn't be that hard to find that player. Which is why I think it's not a no-brainer to pay a 1st and pay him 27+ million next year. Again though, I don't hate it, just playing devil's advocate.

It is just that you said you were looking at career TS% numbers and making the case there are more efficient players (given the players you named) than Simons which is both inaccurate. Again, I feel like teams are unhappy depending on the roles you ask these guys to play. Poole was great as a 6th man in Golden State but asking him to play go to player on a team might not be the best choice. Monk was absolutely terrible with the Lakers but is great with his role with the Kings.

And getting a that player out of the draft is not that easy. Most guys are out of the league within their first for years. And man, until recently the Magic have been drafting bust since Dwight Howard left. It's better that you get the sure thing rather than hoping to draft one or waiting for them to grow into the player you need. And if you do draft that guy, you will end up paying them anyway given the price for Microwave scorer.

Nearly positive I said they score it more efficiently "this year" in my original post. For their careers they are all similar.

Down for trading for sure things. My point is 1.5 years of Simons at 27-28 million for a 1st is not a guaranteed sure thing either. Draft will always be a great way to add talent whether you miss sometimes or not.

[three3d]

I don't think we are disagreeing on much here. I've already stated I like the potential spacing he would bring from that 3 volume. Efficiency should tick up on a better team and maybe better coaching/shot selection.

I think when I posted about Poole and such it was a rebuttal to people acting like he is great offensively right now. There's a bunch of guys who are considered not that desirable doing similar stuff. Poole, Mccollum, Sexton, Cam Thomas, Quickley. It seems like teams rarely end up happy when they pay those types. And typically that archetype is available late in drafts. Poole 28, CJ 10th in a bad draft, Simons 24th, Quickley 25th, Cam Thomas 27th, Sexton 8th, Cole 15th, Pritchard 26th.

Shouldn't be that hard to find that player. Which is why I think it's not a no-brainer to pay a 1st and pay him 27+ million next year. Again though, I don't hate it, just playing devil's advocate.

It is just that you said you were looking at career TS% numbers and making the case there are more efficient players (given the players you named) than Simons which is both inaccurate. Again, I feel like teams are unhappy depending on the roles you ask these guys to play. Poole was great as a 6th man in Golden State but asking him to play go to player on a team might not be the best choice. Monk was absolutely terrible with the Lakers but is great with his role with the Kings.

And getting a that player out of the draft is not that easy. Most guys are out of the league within their first for years. And man, until recently the Magic have been drafting bust since Dwight Howard left. It's better that you get the sure thing rather than hoping to draft one or waiting for them to grow into the player you need. And if you do draft that guy, you will end up paying them anyway given the price for Microwave scorer.

Nearly positive I said they score it more efficiently "this year" in my original post. For their careers they are all similar.

Down for trading for sure things. My point is 1.5 years of Simons at 27-28 million for a 1st is not a guaranteed sure thing either. Draft will always be a great way to add talent whether you miss sometimes or not.

We’ve got to be near the point we no longer gamble in the draft. It’s not like we’re trying to just fill out a roster with the end of the bench players right now, we’ve got some pretty noticeable missing pieces. Anfernee Simons fills two needs right away, a ball handler and a 3 point shooter. We’re not winning an NBA Championship still training rookies , it’s time to start adding proven pieces.

[Rainwater]

I don't think we are disagreeing on much here. I've already stated I like the potential spacing he would bring from that 3 volume. Efficiency should tick up on a better team and maybe better coaching/shot selection.

I think when I posted about Poole and such it was a rebuttal to people acting like he is great offensively right now. There's a bunch of guys who are considered not that desirable doing similar stuff. Poole, Mccollum, Sexton, Cam Thomas, Quickley. It seems like teams rarely end up happy when they pay those types. And typically that archetype is available late in drafts. Poole 28, CJ 10th in a bad draft, Simons 24th, Quickley 25th, Cam Thomas 27th, Sexton 8th, Cole 15th, Pritchard 26th.

Shouldn't be that hard to find that player. Which is why I think it's not a no-brainer to pay a 1st and pay him 27+ million next year. Again though, I don't hate it, just playing devil's advocate.

It is just that you said you were looking at career TS% numbers and making the case there are more efficient players (given the players you named) than Simons which is both inaccurate. Again, I feel like teams are unhappy depending on the roles you ask these guys to play. Poole was great as a 6th man in Golden State but asking him to play go to player on a team might not be the best choice. Monk was absolutely terrible with the Lakers but is great with his role with the Kings.

And getting a that player out of the draft is not that easy. Most guys are out of the league within their first for years. And man, until recently the Magic have been drafting bust since Dwight Howard left. It's better that you get the sure thing rather than hoping to draft one or waiting for them to grow into the player you need. And if you do draft that guy, you will end up paying them anyway given the price for Microwave scorer.

Nearly positive I said they score it more efficiently "this year" in my original post. For their careers they are all similar.

Down for trading for sure things. My point is 1.5 years of Simons at 27-28 million for a 1st is not a guaranteed sure thing either. Draft will always be a great way to add talent whether you miss sometimes or not.

The thing is that I pointed out you were only looking at "this year" numbers but you said you were looking at career numbers. Then you insisted that careerwise that there were guys that shoot the ball better. But now you are agreeing with me that they are similar. See your quote below. I just feel like you are going back and forth.

Nope, mostly looking at career numbers. Had a couple of pretty efficient years and now has had a couple of meh efficiency years. Still not bad for his role, but not great, that's all. Have already said I like the fit and appreciate the gravity his volume could bring.
Just showing there are other guys in the league with a similar role shooting the ball better. They also are on bad teams being asked to do a lot

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[Idiosyncratic]

It is just that you said you were looking at career TS% numbers and making the case there are more efficient players (given the players you named) than Simons which is both inaccurate. Again, I feel like teams are unhappy depending on the roles you ask these guys to play. Poole was great as a 6th man in Golden State but asking him to play go to player on a team might not be the best choice. Monk was absolutely terrible with the Lakers but is great with his role with the Kings.

And getting a that player out of the draft is not that easy. Most guys are out of the league within their first for years. And man, until recently the Magic have been drafting bust since Dwight Howard left. It's better that you get the sure thing rather than hoping to draft one or waiting for them to grow into the player you need. And if you do draft that guy, you will end up paying them anyway given the price for Microwave scorer.

Nearly positive I said they score it more efficiently "this year" in my original post. For their careers they are all similar.

Down for trading for sure things. My point is 1.5 years of Simons at 27-28 million for a 1st is not a guaranteed sure thing either. Draft will always be a great way to add talent whether you miss sometimes or not.

The thing is that I pointed out you were only looking at "this year" numbers but you said you were looking at career numbers. Then you insisted that careerwise that there were guys that shoot the ball better. But now you are saying they are similar. See your quote below. I just feel like you are going back and forth.

Nope, mostly looking at career numbers. Had a couple of pretty efficient years and now has had a couple of meh efficiency years. Still not bad for his role, but not great, that's all. Have already said I like the fit and appreciate the gravity his volume could bring.
Just showing there are other guys in the league with a similar role shooting the ball better. They also are on bad teams being asked to do a lot

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My post referencing them said they are doing it more efficiently this year. They are. My evaluation of Simons is not based off of one year . Come on man.

He’s had two worse years post-Lillard. I was just naming guys who have been better this year in similarly awful situations .

[Rainwater]

Nearly positive I said they score it more efficiently "this year" in my original post. For their careers they are all similar.

Down for trading for sure things. My point is 1.5 years of Simons at 27-28 million for a 1st is not a guaranteed sure thing either. Draft will always be a great way to add talent whether you miss sometimes or not.

The thing is that I pointed out you were only looking at "this year" numbers but you said you were looking at career numbers. Then you insisted that careerwise that there were guys that shoot the ball better. But now you are saying they are similar. See your quote below. I just feel like you are going back and forth.

Nope, mostly looking at career numbers. Had a couple of pretty efficient years and now has had a couple of meh efficiency years. Still not bad for his role, but not great, that's all. Have already said I like the fit and appreciate the gravity his volume could bring.
Just showing there are other guys in the league with a similar role shooting the ball better. They also are on bad teams being asked to do a lot

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My post referencing them said they are doing it more efficiently this year. They are. My evaluation of Simons is not based off of one year , that is what I said . Come on man.

When I say this

I think you are making the mistake of just judging Simons off this season (a slow start) when careerwise he is just as efficient as Poole, Sexton, and Cam Thomas.

And you reply with this

Nope, mostly looking at career numbers.

But you are now saying you were looking at current year stats, how can I not be confused? This conversation would not have lasted as long as it did.

As long as we can agree that Simons is just as efficient as most Microwave scorers we can agree.

[OrlandoDream]

The more guys come back from injuries, the least likely we make a splash trade. For some reason, this front office believes this squad as currently constructed can go further this year in the playoffs then last year. I agree is difficult to evaluate needs when your core 3 players have only played like 5 games together all year but our lack of 3pt shooting depth needs to be improved on.......especially for the playoffs.

I see us making a minor move prior to the deadline to help our backcourt slightly. Maybe something like when we traded for Fultz last minute. Maybe see what we can get for Garys expiring and some seconds. There are couple of teams that are sellers and wont be hard to get one of these low-hanging fruit players. Guys like Brogdon, Lonzo, or even Dlo.

I think there are a couple buy low, possible higher reward options available on this years market.

[Idiosyncratic]

The thing is that I pointed out you were only looking at "this year" numbers but you said you were looking at career numbers. Then you insisted that careerwise that there were guys that shoot the ball better. But now you are saying they are similar. See your quote below. I just feel like you are going back and forth.

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My post referencing them said they are doing it more efficiently this year. They are. My evaluation of Simons is not based off of one year , that is what I said . Come on man.

When I say this

I think you are making the mistake of just judging Simons off this season (a slow start) when careerwise he is just as efficient as Poole, Sexton, and Cam Thomas.

And you reply with this

Nope, mostly looking at career numbers.

But you are now saying you were looking at current year stats, how can I not be confused? This conversation would not have lasted as long as it did.

As long as we can agree that Simons is just as efficient as most Microwave scorers we can agree.

My original quote

"I would be excited if they got him, his shooting gravity could be huge. But on the flipside I don't know why people act like he is a surefire offensive juggernaut when there are guys with similar roles who put up better efficiency. Poole, Sexton, Cam Thomas, all do the same no defense combo guard stuff on bad teams and score it more efficiently THIS YEAR. "

This was part in response to some acting like he is a panacea to all of our woes despite him not having a huge impact on winning the past couple of years, and also part in response to some saying he is having a down year because his team is bad. Simply pointing out there are similar guys in worse situations doing better this year.

When you asked me if I was judging Simons off of this season I said no, because I would never judge any player by just this season.
My overarching valuation is based off his entire body of work. I still weigh the current season the most, but sample sizes and variation will always come into play so it would be foolish to use one season. Just as it would be foolish to only use his 2 seasons where he rated as a net positive on the court.

I agree he is just as efficient as other microwave scorers. I probably disagree with many on how valuable I view that type of player as a whole. I think he could have more efficiency in the tank in a less ball-dominant role. I think I would be OK trading for him, but see it unlikely as the finances become tough. Those are my Simons views, they have been for a while.

Sorry for the argument, I respect your views and think you are a smart poster.

[Rainwater]

My post referencing them said they are doing it more efficiently this year. They are. My evaluation of Simons is not based off of one year , that is what I said . Come on man.

When I say this

I think you are making the mistake of just judging Simons off this season (a slow start) when careerwise he is just as efficient as Poole, Sexton, and Cam Thomas.

And you reply with this

Nope, mostly looking at career numbers.

But you are now saying you were looking at current year stats, how can I not be confused? This conversation would not have lasted as long as it did.

As long as we can agree that Simons is just as efficient as most Microwave scorers we can agree.

My original quote

"I would be excited if they got him, his shooting gravity could be huge. But on the flipside I don't know why people act like he is a surefire offensive juggernaut when there are guys with similar roles who put up better efficiency. Poole, Sexton, Cam Thomas, all do the same no defense combo guard stuff on bad teams and score it more efficiently THIS YEAR. "

This was part in response to some acting like he is a panacea to all of our woes despite him not having a huge impact on winning the past couple of years, and also part in response to some saying he is having a down year because his team is bad. Simply pointing out there are similar guys in worse situations doing better this year.

When you asked me if I was judging Simons off of this season I said no, because I would never judge any player by just this season.
My overarching valuation is based off his entire body of work. I still weigh the current season the most, but sample sizes and variation will always come into play so it would be foolish to use one season. Just as it would be foolish to only use his 2 seasons where he rated as a net positive on the court.

I agree he is just as efficient as other microwave scorers. I probably disagree with many on how valuable I view that type of player as a whole. I think he could have more efficiency in the tank in a less ball-dominant role. I think I would be OK trading for him, but see it unlikely as the finances become tough. Those are my Simons views, they have been for a while.

Sorry for the argument, I respect your views and think you are a smart poster.

You are all good man, just a misunderstanding. I appreciate your opinions as well.

[DusterBuster]

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No idea on this dudes legitimacy, but this tends to track with what we’ve heard in Portland locally from other sources.

So yeah, not to burst anyone’s bubble of getting (or moving, including myself here) Simons for fire sale prices, but that seems unlikely.

As a Blazer fan, I can’t be more frustrated as it seems like they’re in for another do-nothing deadline and continuing to put off any real attempt at developing youth or doing a proper tank-job to get a quality picks in good drafts.

Cronin has been reported to value Simons pretty highly, I could see him expecting 2 FRPs back for him at least, which means he’s probably not going to find a taker.

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No idea on this dudes legitimacy, but this tends to track with what we’ve heard in Portland locally from other sources.

So yeah, not to burst anyone’s bubble of getting (or moving, including myself here) Simons for fire sale prices, but that seems unlikely.

As a Blazer fan, I can’t be more frustrated as it seems like they’re in for another do-nothing deadline and continuing to put off any real attempt at developing youth or doing a proper tank-job to get a quality picks in good drafts.

Cronin has been reported to value Simons pretty highly, I could see him expecting 2 FRPs back for him at least, which means he’s probably not going to find a taker.

Is he going to Ainge level of mind?

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Feels like the media has settled on Anthony, Howard, and a 2025 FR for Simons. On paper that is a good trade for Orlando. But leads to a very difficult depth chart question. Is moral OK with Caldwell-Pope as a bench player?

I guess the depth chart would be:
Suggs/Black
Simons/Caldwell-Pope
F-Wagner/da Silva
Banchero/Isaac
Bitadze/Carter

Looking at that, there is clear dead-weight in Harris and Houstan (and Orlando still needs a 3rd string Center).

In the end, that trade is better than no trade. But an "upset" Caldwell-Pope will be toxic in the locker room, in my opinion.