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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#341 » by Skybox » Sun May 4, 2025 7:10 pm

JF5 wrote:Suggs is the heart and soul of the team. He's not getting traded. They essentially said as much in the Exit Interview.


What'd they say about Luka?

I really have no sincere interest in trading Suggs, but you've got to keep powerful options on the table...His impact goes way beyond his stats but when fans start overstating it, it becomes outrageous. There are MANY more impactful players out there, some are making less and doing more. Some are actual PGs.

You also have to put team first and maybe consider that AB might presently be 70% of Suggs (which isn't Suggs but it's nice) and Cory freakin' Joseph is our starting PG in a playoff series against the world champs.

Paolo is really the only one I just won't discuss outside of maybe 5 players in the NBA, Franz would have to be an absolute home run, Suggs would have to be an equivalent talent with double the offensive output...

I'd like to keep AB, TdS, and possibly Caleb because the return is unlikely to match the value to us.

Isaac - I'm back on the fence because he very honestly addressed the weight gain thing and acknowledged that it was a mistake that he could undo. He could still be very impactful off the bench...he might yet return to the defensive neutralizer that can be deployed vs 1-4 on the perimeter...and then, chase down the center with a help-side block...I'm on a seesaw with Isaac - ask me tomorrow. There's always some little flash to cling to.

WCJ - His extension is an issue, but he really put up a fight vs Boston. I want an upgraded starter at C...but I'd love to have him off the bench at 4/5. If he's got value to another team that will return us something to boost our backcourt offense...done

The rest are available, imo, very available.

Guys I'd GIVE away...
KCP - he's actually a good player, but a bad signing for ORL, I'd really like to have that $23m x 3 back to apply to a team need
Cole - doesn't matter, he's expiring, so I'd be happy to include him in a package, but happier to send out something with more guaranteed money
Goga - kind of done. Coach obviously doesn't have any faith in him. Best to move him out.
Jett -probably have to be Weltman's worst move...then, compound it with the "he's agreed to develop in the G League for a season" masterstroke :banghead: Just an expiring filler now, imo...however, I wouldn't be stunned if some other team "unlocks" him into a sustainable rotation sniper.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#342 » by JF5 » Sun May 4, 2025 7:34 pm

Skybox wrote:
JF5 wrote:Suggs is the heart and soul of the team. He's not getting traded. They essentially said as much in the Exit Interview.


What'd they say about Luka?

I really have no sincere interest in trading Suggs, but you've got to keep powerful options on the table...His impact goes way beyond his stats but when fans start overstating it, it becomes outrageous. There are MANY more impactful players out there, some are making less and doing more. Some are actual PGs.

You also have to put team first and maybe consider that AB might presently be 70% of Suggs (which isn't Suggs but it's nice) and Cory freakin' Joseph is our starting PG in a playoff series against the world champs.

Paolo is really the only one I just won't discuss outside of maybe 5 players in the NBA, Franz would have to be an absolute home run, Suggs would have to be an equivalent talent with double the offensive output...

I'd like to keep AB, TdS, and possibly Caleb because the return is unlikely to match the value to us.

Isaac - I'm back on the fence because he very honestly addressed the weight gain thing and acknowledged that it was a mistake that he could undo. He could still be very impactful off the bench...he might yet return to the defensive neutralizer that can be deployed vs 1-4 on the perimeter...and then, chase down the center with a help-side block...I'm on a seesaw with Isaac - ask me tomorrow. There's always some little flash to cling to.

WCJ - His extension is an issue, but he really put up a fight vs Boston. I want an upgraded starter at C...but I'd love to have him off the bench at 4/5. If he's got value to another team that will return us something to boost our backcourt offense...done

The rest are available, imo, very available.

Guys I'd GIVE away...
KCP - he's actually a good player, but a bad signing for ORL, I'd really like to have that $23m x 3 back to apply to a team need
Cole - doesn't matter, he's expiring, so I'd be happy to include him in a package, but happier to send out something with more guaranteed money
Goga - kind of done. Coach obviously doesn't have any faith in him. Best to move him out.
Jett -probably have to be Weltman's worst move...then, compound it with the "he's agreed to develop in the G League for a season" masterstroke :banghead: Just an expiring filler now, imo...however, I wouldn't be stunned if some other team "unlocks" him into a sustainable rotation sniper.


The Mavs are run by people who don't know basketball and entrust the basketball aspect to a guy who has a massive ego.

It's COMPLETELY different to a Magic organization which usually plays the long game and believes in continuity. It wouldn't make sense to trade a young core player like Suggs (who is a top 5 perimeter defender already at 23/24 years old and an elite 3/D player just a season ago) without giving him the proper chance when he was a big piece in the team's previous success/winning ways when he's healthy.

Fans get so fickle so quickly. Like that sort of change can screw up pedigree of this team given the intangibles Suggs provides.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#343 » by cedric76 » Sun May 4, 2025 7:44 pm

Skybox wrote:
JF5 wrote:Suggs is the heart and soul of the team. He's not getting traded. They essentially said as much in the Exit Interview.


What'd they say about Luka?

I really have no sincere interest in trading Suggs, but you've got to keep powerful options on the table...His impact goes way beyond his stats but when fans start overstating it, it becomes outrageous. There are MANY more impactful players out there, some are making less and doing more. Some are actual PGs.

You also have to put team first and maybe consider that AB might presently be 70% of Suggs (which isn't Suggs but it's nice) and Cory freakin' Joseph is our starting PG in a playoff series against the world champs.

Paolo is really the only one I just won't discuss outside of maybe 5 players in the NBA, Franz would have to be an absolute home run, Suggs would have to be an equivalent talent with double the offensive output...

I'd like to keep AB, TdS, and possibly Caleb because the return is unlikely to match the value to us.

Isaac - I'm back on the fence because he very honestly addressed the weight gain thing and acknowledged that it was a mistake that he could undo. He could still be very impactful off the bench...he might yet return to the defensive neutralizer that can be deployed vs 1-4 on the perimeter...and then, chase down the center with a help-side block...I'm on a seesaw with Isaac - ask me tomorrow. There's always some little flash to cling to.

WCJ - His extension is an issue, but he really put up a fight vs Boston. I want an upgraded starter at C...but I'd love to have him off the bench at 4/5. If he's got value to another team that will return us something to boost our backcourt offense...done

The rest are available, imo, very available.

Guys I'd GIVE away...
KCP - he's actually a good player, but a bad signing for ORL, I'd really like to have that $23m x 3 back to apply to a team need
Cole - doesn't matter, he's expiring, so I'd be happy to include him in a package, but happier to send out something with more guaranteed money
Goga - kind of done. Coach obviously doesn't have any faith in him. Best to move him out.
Jett -probably have to be Weltman's worst move...then, compound it with the "he's agreed to develop in the G League for a season" masterstroke :banghead: Just an expiring filler now, imo...however, I wouldn't be stunned if some other team "unlocks" him into a sustainable rotation sniper.


Wcj s extension is NOT an issue, why do people keep saying that?
He ll only make 10% of the cap, this is nothing for a starting C, that can play our switch defense scheme.
Suggs, AB, Jase
Bane, Melton, Jett
Franz, TDS, Houstan
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#344 » by eyriq » Sun May 4, 2025 8:23 pm

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#345 » by basketballRob » Sun May 4, 2025 8:25 pm

JF5 wrote:
Skybox wrote:
JF5 wrote:Suggs is the heart and soul of the team. He's not getting traded. They essentially said as much in the Exit Interview.


What'd they say about Luka?

I really have no sincere interest in trading Suggs, but you've got to keep powerful options on the table...His impact goes way beyond his stats but when fans start overstating it, it becomes outrageous. There are MANY more impactful players out there, some are making less and doing more. Some are actual PGs.

You also have to put team first and maybe consider that AB might presently be 70% of Suggs (which isn't Suggs but it's nice) and Cory freakin' Joseph is our starting PG in a playoff series against the world champs.

Paolo is really the only one I just won't discuss outside of maybe 5 players in the NBA, Franz would have to be an absolute home run, Suggs would have to be an equivalent talent with double the offensive output...

I'd like to keep AB, TdS, and possibly Caleb because the return is unlikely to match the value to us.

Isaac - I'm back on the fence because he very honestly addressed the weight gain thing and acknowledged that it was a mistake that he could undo. He could still be very impactful off the bench...he might yet return to the defensive neutralizer that can be deployed vs 1-4 on the perimeter...and then, chase down the center with a help-side block...I'm on a seesaw with Isaac - ask me tomorrow. There's always some little flash to cling to.

WCJ - His extension is an issue, but he really put up a fight vs Boston. I want an upgraded starter at C...but I'd love to have him off the bench at 4/5. If he's got value to another team that will return us something to boost our backcourt offense...done

The rest are available, imo, very available.

Guys I'd GIVE away...
KCP - he's actually a good player, but a bad signing for ORL, I'd really like to have that $23m x 3 back to apply to a team need
Cole - doesn't matter, he's expiring, so I'd be happy to include him in a package, but happier to send out something with more guaranteed money
Goga - kind of done. Coach obviously doesn't have any faith in him. Best to move him out.
Jett -probably have to be Weltman's worst move...then, compound it with the "he's agreed to develop in the G League for a season" masterstroke :banghead: Just an expiring filler now, imo...however, I wouldn't be stunned if some other team "unlocks" him into a sustainable rotation sniper.


The Mavs are run by people who don't know basketball and entrust the basketball aspect to a guy who has a massive ego.

It's COMPLETELY different to a Magic organization which usually plays the long game and believes in continuity. It wouldn't make sense to trade a young core player like Suggs (who is a top 5 perimeter defender already at 23/24 years old and an elite 3/D player just a season ago) without giving him the proper chance when he was a big piece in the team's previous success/winning ways when he's healthy.

Fans get so fickle so quickly. Like that sort of change can screw up pedigree of this team given the intangibles Suggs provides.
His value after the knee surgery could be down. He'll need to prove himself again next season.

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#346 » by Skybox » Sun May 4, 2025 8:25 pm

Free Agents of interest to consider filling out our roster shrewdly & inexpensively (role players)...
Marvin Bagley ready for a $5-7m dollar deal? needs another look,imo
Davion Mitchell...RFA-tearing it up in MIA
Bobby Portis ...player option for $13.4m, solid solid 2-way vet and tough guy
Al Horford ...he's going to retire or re-up but he's still formidable and smart
D'Angelo Russell so much talent, so many questions
Cam Payne
Ziaire Williams...failure to launch, but still only 23yo- vet min experiment that could pay?
Andre Drummond...player option for $5m. Ready to eject from PHI? Limited all-around but among the best rebounders EVER
Guerschon Yabusele...big & physical, flopped then excelled with french national team and had a solid year in PHI
Gary Trent Jr ...took a huge pay cut to play in MIL and we know he can shoot it, some VERY bad moments in playoffs might mean a fresh start
Tre Jones ...similar efficiency but not as impressive as his brother Tyus...shot it well from 3 this year, but not historically-is he better than CoJo?
Ty Jerome...nuff said...among the most desirable FA's but no one has $$$ and he's not worth backing up the Brinks truck
Tristan Thompson...vet min, super solid old...this is what a 3rd string C is supposed to look like and be paid like. Example of an old $3m guy that could start for us...meanwhile, we have $40m tied up in C spot and one is too small and unreliable, one doesn't play D, and one looks lost
Tim Hardaway Jr...can DET afford Beasley's big raise, retaining Schroder AND not completely low-ball THJ? Should they? Maybe hunting bigger game
Dennis Schroder...if our Germans approve of him, it should have been a no-brainer last summer. DET maybe investing elsewehere with Ivey back
Clint Capela...he'd be our best Center, rapidly depreciating? Is he ready for a large cut in pay for a new opportunity? Will he just rescue LAL for vet min?
Caris Levert...formidable scorer on the downhill, is he ready to take a role player salary? He HAS scored 20ppg and HAS pitched 5+apg and - Michigan
Tre Mann...RFA, very intriguing stats and physical profile...is he capable of bigger role? is he a PG? does he defend? How much will he command?
Seth Curry...single tool player, has been well over 40% from 3 nearly every year...45% or higher FIVE TIMES...vet min, defenseless, too small?
Malcolm Brogdon...UFA, ready for a big pay cut? What happened to this guy-he vanished? If injuries aren't too big an issue - tremendous vet combo G
DeAndre Jordan...long in the tooth, vet min? Can still put up points and especially rebounds - huge throwback C to give you 10-15 mpg
Joe Ingles...only played in 18 games in MIN, is he toast or just buried on a stacked team...if he can play, I'd love him back, ultra BBIQ & mentor
Bones Hyland...so much talent, so many questions
Ajay Mitchell...OKC is so stacked, he may just be buried and they can't give him a raise, just 23yo...I liked his draft profile, 6'5 PG that can shoot
Vasilije Micic...euro whiz PG passing phenom that has done nothing in his short NBA career...why?
Tyus Jones...took a massive pay cut to start for goofy PHX...what's next? and how much? Would be MUCH better than CoJo off bench, but not starter
Monte Morris...same as Tyus...what happened? PG who can shoot
Mason Plumlee...budget big man...again, you're 3rd string C should be a heady vet min guy. Plumlee is older, but tough and a very good passer
Trey Lyles...solid, versatile big man...only 29, is he ready to be a vet min rotation guy on a good young team?
Spencer Dinwiddie...31yo, big PG, has had many high points in his career, both scoring and assists, good defender, could easily start for ORL at PG
Steven Adams...massive, tough, elite offensive rebounder, gets around the MLE...not sure HOU would let him go...would be a great get in many ways
Santi Aldama...RFA, 7', slim, good 3pt shooter, could he be an undiscovered gem in the wrong place...maybe ready for a change of venue?
Bruce Brown...he was never THAT great, does he understand that he was intentionally overpaid and ready for a vet min? better Harris?
Mo Bamba...laugh all you want, 3rd string C, vet min, shot blocker that could, conceivably make 5 3pt shots if left open...end of the bench, high upside
Chris Paul...what does he want? where does he want to be? I'd even consider giving him as many minutes as he can handle...no question he improves ORL, just a matter of how much he's got in the tank. Certainly worth making a friendly call...I expect him to stay in SAS, but Fox

NONE OF THESE ARE SAVIORS...THE IDEA IS THAT WE REWORK OUR WHOLE ROSTER AND UNLOAD HIGH-SALARY "OK" GUYS WITH VERY LOW SALARY "OK" GUYS. THAT'S THE WAY CHAMPION ROSTERS ARE BUILT...I'D LIKE TO PAY 5 GUYS A LOT, 3 GUYS WELL, AND FILL THE BENCH WITH BARGAINS LIKE THESE.
*I BOLDED GUYS THAT I FIND A COMBINATION OF POSSIBLE, INTRIGUING, AND MAYBE NICE SURPRISES THAT MAKE WELTMAN EXEC OF THEY YEAR. THESE DO NOT REPLACE THE NEED TO FIND A GREAT SCORING LEAD GUARD AND A GREAT STARTING CENTER...they just enhance the core.

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#347 » by Skybox » Sun May 4, 2025 8:28 pm

basketballRob wrote:
JF5 wrote:
Skybox wrote:
What'd they say about Luka?

I really have no sincere interest in trading Suggs, but you've got to keep powerful options on the table...His impact goes way beyond his stats but when fans start overstating it, it becomes outrageous. There are MANY more impactful players out there, some are making less and doing more. Some are actual PGs.

You also have to put team first and maybe consider that AB might presently be 70% of Suggs (which isn't Suggs but it's nice) and Cory freakin' Joseph is our starting PG in a playoff series against the world champs.

Paolo is really the only one I just won't discuss outside of maybe 5 players in the NBA, Franz would have to be an absolute home run, Suggs would have to be an equivalent talent with double the offensive output...

I'd like to keep AB, TdS, and possibly Caleb because the return is unlikely to match the value to us.

Isaac - I'm back on the fence because he very honestly addressed the weight gain thing and acknowledged that it was a mistake that he could undo. He could still be very impactful off the bench...he might yet return to the defensive neutralizer that can be deployed vs 1-4 on the perimeter...and then, chase down the center with a help-side block...I'm on a seesaw with Isaac - ask me tomorrow. There's always some little flash to cling to.

WCJ - His extension is an issue, but he really put up a fight vs Boston. I want an upgraded starter at C...but I'd love to have him off the bench at 4/5. If he's got value to another team that will return us something to boost our backcourt offense...done

The rest are available, imo, very available.

Guys I'd GIVE away...
KCP - he's actually a good player, but a bad signing for ORL, I'd really like to have that $23m x 3 back to apply to a team need
Cole - doesn't matter, he's expiring, so I'd be happy to include him in a package, but happier to send out something with more guaranteed money
Goga - kind of done. Coach obviously doesn't have any faith in him. Best to move him out.
Jett -probably have to be Weltman's worst move...then, compound it with the "he's agreed to develop in the G League for a season" masterstroke :banghead: Just an expiring filler now, imo...however, I wouldn't be stunned if some other team "unlocks" him into a sustainable rotation sniper.


The Mavs are run by people who don't know basketball and entrust the basketball aspect to a guy who has a massive ego.

It's COMPLETELY different to a Magic organization which usually plays the long game and believes in continuity. It wouldn't make sense to trade a young core player like Suggs (who is a top 5 perimeter defender already at 23/24 years old and an elite 3/D player just a season ago) without giving him the proper chance when he was a big piece in the team's previous success/winning ways when he's healthy.

Fans get so fickle so quickly. Like that sort of change can screw up pedigree of this team given the intangibles Suggs provides.
His value after the knee surgery could be down. He'll need to prove himself again next season.

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What seems really dumb to me is disparaging a trade idea without having any idea of the return :crazy:

We all like Suggs and he is a building block...but it's just absurd to say things like "don't trade him" without knowing for what
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#348 » by basketballRob » Sun May 4, 2025 8:32 pm

Skybox wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
JF5 wrote:
The Mavs are run by people who don't know basketball and entrust the basketball aspect to a guy who has a massive ego.

It's COMPLETELY different to a Magic organization which usually plays the long game and believes in continuity. It wouldn't make sense to trade a young core player like Suggs (who is a top 5 perimeter defender already at 23/24 years old and an elite 3/D player just a season ago) without giving him the proper chance when he was a big piece in the team's previous success/winning ways when he's healthy.

Fans get so fickle so quickly. Like that sort of change can screw up pedigree of this team given the intangibles Suggs provides.
His value after the knee surgery could be down. He'll need to prove himself again next season.

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What seems really dumb to me is disparaging a trade idea without having any idea of the return :crazy:

We all like Suggs and he is a building block...but it's just absurd to say things like "don't trade him" without knowing for what
I like Suggs, but his injury history would make me think twice about trading him.

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#349 » by T-Cat » Sun May 4, 2025 9:13 pm

JF5 wrote:Suggs is the heart and soul of the team. He's not getting traded. They essentially said as much in the Exit Interview.


That's NBA talk for trying to get his trade value up! :D

Jeff Weltman also said he would like to think KCP would become a better shooter next year!

In essence, he's trying to acquire more high level talent that would put us over the top!

I feel like this current FO management is tired of empty promises and wants to prove better results to fans/ownership...this is their final countdown! :D
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#350 » by MasterGMer » Sun May 4, 2025 9:28 pm

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There is no source or report or anything, just pure speculation. Not worthy as a quote
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#351 » by eyriq » Sun May 4, 2025 9:46 pm

MasterGMer wrote:
eyriq wrote:
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There is no source or report or anything, just pure speculation. Not worthy as a quote
Stein is saying he's a target for us. Probably just an educated tea leaves reading but offseason slop is all we'll get for a while.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#352 » by JF5 » Sun May 4, 2025 9:50 pm

basketballRob wrote:
Skybox wrote:
basketballRob wrote:His value after the knee surgery could be down. He'll need to prove himself again next season.

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What seems really dumb to me is disparaging a trade idea without having any idea of the return :crazy:

We all like Suggs and he is a building block...but it's just absurd to say things like "don't trade him" without knowing for what
I like Suggs, but his injury history would make me think twice about trading him.

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The effect he's had on the team the last few years. It would have to make sense.

We don't have his replacement on this team who is currently starting Caliber. Who could replace him via trade that fits the timeline?
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#353 » by basketballRob » Sun May 4, 2025 10:56 pm

JF5 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
Skybox wrote:
What seems really dumb to me is disparaging a trade idea without having any idea of the return :crazy:

We all like Suggs and he is a building block...but it's just absurd to say things like "don't trade him" without knowing for what
I like Suggs, but his injury history would make me think twice about trading him.

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The effect he's had on the team the last few years. It would have to make sense.

We don't have his replacement on this team who is currently starting Caliber. Who could replace him via trade that fits the timeline?
I'd think about Suggs $35m for Cam Johnson $20m. In a 3-way Cole, $13m for Simons $27m. We may need to add some draft compensation.

Brooklyn has cap space, and they could let Suggs take most of next year off to get his knee right.

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#354 » by Skybox » Sun May 4, 2025 11:05 pm

basketballRob wrote:
JF5 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:I like Suggs, but his injury history would make me think twice about trading him.

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The effect he's had on the team the last few years. It would have to make sense.

We don't have his replacement on this team who is currently starting Caliber. Who could replace him via trade that fits the timeline?
I'd think about Suggs $35m for Cam Johnson $20m. In a 3-way Cole, $13m for Simons $27m. We may need to add some draft compensation.

Brooklyn has cap space, and they could let Suggs take most of next year off to get his knee right.

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Ok...NOW that you've heard the terrible idea - it's okay to hate trading Suggs
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Post#355 » by Skin » Sun May 4, 2025 11:23 pm

Skybox wrote:
JF5 wrote:Suggs is the heart and soul of the team. He's not getting traded. They essentially said as much in the Exit Interview.


What'd they say about Luka?

I really have no sincere interest in trading Suggs, but you've got to keep powerful options on the table...His impact goes way beyond his stats but when fans start overstating it, it becomes outrageous. There are MANY more impactful players out there, some are making less and doing more. Some are actual PGs.

You also have to put team first and maybe consider that AB might presently be 70% of Suggs (which isn't Suggs but it's nice) and Cory freakin' Joseph is our starting PG in a playoff series against the world champs.

Paolo is really the only one I just won't discuss outside of maybe 5 players in the NBA, Franz would have to be an absolute home run, Suggs would have to be an equivalent talent with double the offensive output...

I'd like to keep AB, TdS, and possibly Caleb because the return is unlikely to match the value to us.

Isaac - I'm back on the fence because he very honestly addressed the weight gain thing and acknowledged that it was a mistake that he could undo. He could still be very impactful off the bench...he might yet return to the defensive neutralizer that can be deployed vs 1-4 on the perimeter...and then, chase down the center with a help-side block...I'm on a seesaw with Isaac - ask me tomorrow. There's always some little flash to cling to.

WCJ - His extension is an issue, but he really put up a fight vs Boston. I want an upgraded starter at C...but I'd love to have him off the bench at 4/5. If he's got value to another team that will return us something to boost our backcourt offense...done

The rest are available, imo, very available.

Guys I'd GIVE away...
KCP - he's actually a good player, but a bad signing for ORL, I'd really like to have that $23m x 3 back to apply to a team need
Cole - doesn't matter, he's expiring, so I'd be happy to include him in a package, but happier to send out something with more guaranteed money
Goga - kind of done. Coach obviously doesn't have any faith in him. Best to move him out.
Jett -probably have to be Weltman's worst move...then, compound it with the "he's agreed to develop in the G League for a season" masterstroke :banghead: Just an expiring filler now, imo...however, I wouldn't be stunned if some other team "unlocks" him into a sustainable rotation sniper.

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#356 » by Skybox » Sun May 4, 2025 11:34 pm

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JF5 wrote:Suggs is the heart and soul of the team. He's not getting traded. They essentially said as much in the Exit Interview.


What'd they say about Luka?

I really have no sincere interest in trading Suggs, but you've got to keep powerful options on the table...His impact goes way beyond his stats but when fans start overstating it, it becomes outrageous. There are MANY more impactful players out there, some are making less and doing more. Some are actual PGs.

You also have to put team first and maybe consider that AB might presently be 70% of Suggs (which isn't Suggs but it's nice) and Cory freakin' Joseph is our starting PG in a playoff series against the world champs.

Paolo is really the only one I just won't discuss outside of maybe 5 players in the NBA, Franz would have to be an absolute home run, Suggs would have to be an equivalent talent with double the offensive output...

I'd like to keep AB, TdS, and possibly Caleb because the return is unlikely to match the value to us.

Isaac - I'm back on the fence because he very honestly addressed the weight gain thing and acknowledged that it was a mistake that he could undo. He could still be very impactful off the bench...he might yet return to the defensive neutralizer that can be deployed vs 1-4 on the perimeter...and then, chase down the center with a help-side block...I'm on a seesaw with Isaac - ask me tomorrow. There's always some little flash to cling to.

WCJ - His extension is an issue, but he really put up a fight vs Boston. I want an upgraded starter at C...but I'd love to have him off the bench at 4/5. If he's got value to another team that will return us something to boost our backcourt offense...done

The rest are available, imo, very available.

Guys I'd GIVE away...
KCP - he's actually a good player, but a bad signing for ORL, I'd really like to have that $23m x 3 back to apply to a team need
Cole - doesn't matter, he's expiring, so I'd be happy to include him in a package, but happier to send out something with more guaranteed money
Goga - kind of done. Coach obviously doesn't have any faith in him. Best to move him out.
Jett -probably have to be Weltman's worst move...then, compound it with the "he's agreed to develop in the G League for a season" masterstroke :banghead: Just an expiring filler now, imo...however, I wouldn't be stunned if some other team "unlocks" him into a sustainable rotation sniper.

Everyone thinks that you can get gold by dumping trash. Too bad that doesn't work.


Whose or which comment are you alluding to?
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#357 » by djguevara114 » Sun May 4, 2025 11:38 pm

Man, could have had Nesmith for next to nothing a couple years ago lol

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#358 » by VFX » Sun May 4, 2025 11:41 pm

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JF5 wrote:Suggs is the heart and soul of the team. He's not getting traded. They essentially said as much in the Exit Interview.


What'd they say about Luka?

I really have no sincere interest in trading Suggs, but you've got to keep powerful options on the table...His impact goes way beyond his stats but when fans start overstating it, it becomes outrageous. There are MANY more impactful players out there, some are making less and doing more. Some are actual PGs.

You also have to put team first and maybe consider that AB might presently be 70% of Suggs (which isn't Suggs but it's nice) and Cory freakin' Joseph is our starting PG in a playoff series against the world champs.

Paolo is really the only one I just won't discuss outside of maybe 5 players in the NBA, Franz would have to be an absolute home run, Suggs would have to be an equivalent talent with double the offensive output...

I'd like to keep AB, TdS, and possibly Caleb because the return is unlikely to match the value to us.

Isaac - I'm back on the fence because he very honestly addressed the weight gain thing and acknowledged that it was a mistake that he could undo. He could still be very impactful off the bench...he might yet return to the defensive neutralizer that can be deployed vs 1-4 on the perimeter...and then, chase down the center with a help-side block...I'm on a seesaw with Isaac - ask me tomorrow. There's always some little flash to cling to.

WCJ - His extension is an issue, but he really put up a fight vs Boston. I want an upgraded starter at C...but I'd love to have him off the bench at 4/5. If he's got value to another team that will return us something to boost our backcourt offense...done

The rest are available, imo, very available.

Guys I'd GIVE away...
KCP - he's actually a good player, but a bad signing for ORL, I'd really like to have that $23m x 3 back to apply to a team need
Cole - doesn't matter, he's expiring, so I'd be happy to include him in a package, but happier to send out something with more guaranteed money
Goga - kind of done. Coach obviously doesn't have any faith in him. Best to move him out.
Jett -probably have to be Weltman's worst move...then, compound it with the "he's agreed to develop in the G League for a season" masterstroke :banghead: Just an expiring filler now, imo...however, I wouldn't be stunned if some other team "unlocks" him into a sustainable rotation sniper.


Wcj s extension is NOT an issue, why do people keep saying that?
He ll only make 10% of the cap, this is nothing for a starting C, that can play our switch defense scheme.


Problem with Carter isn’t that he’s 10% of the cap on his extension.

Problem with Carter is that he’s a backup big pretending to be a starting Center at 10% of the cap.

If Paolo Banchero is playing 40mpg you need better rebounding and rim protection long term.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#359 » by anothermagicfan » Sun May 4, 2025 11:56 pm

I like something based around Sexton for Cole and a future first. Utah is in complete rebuild mode and no way is Sexton going to be a part of the future core to build around IMO. I don't know what his extension would look like but COJO showed us having an actual pg ball handler makes a difference for this team. And Suggs return from his knee injury is an unknown. This chip won't be the first to fall for the off-season but as we stand this is a good reasonable starting point. It may or may not take more for this trade.

Probably nothing happens until the dust settles from the big dominos. First up will be

The Greek freek and KD
Zion
Embiid??? He'll actually be the real first domino if he wants out of Philly
What about AD? Being traded to dal was a surprise for him? Is he ready to play alongside Kyrie if he's healthy or will he say screw you guys you just gave up on Luka, I want out??

If we're talking win now push the chips into the middle of the table there's got to be some kicking of the tires around Embiid and AD. I don't see a reasonable way for it to happen in either case.

That brings me to JJJ. Entering the last year of his contract. Memphis doesn't need to and probably doesn't want to part ways with him. They aren't in cap hell at the moment, but they still have to add to the roster. They have no first round picks this year so it's all trades or free agency.
WCJ and a player and 2-3 first round picks/JJJ


Sexton/Suggs
KCP/AB or Jett
Franz/TDS
Paolo/JI
JJJ/Goga/Moe
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#360 » by Skybox » Mon May 5, 2025 12:06 am

djguevara114 wrote:Man, could have had Nesmith for next to nothing a couple years ago lol

Our FO takes no chances and sits on their hands…


Speaking only of the supporting cast (which is 90%+ of the NBA)...

-they choose to hope a young player becomes something they're not rather than just go get the kind of player they need
-sometimes, they compound the problem by not only hanging on too long, but overpaying with extensions that seem to be (still) based on what they hope, not what is happening right in front of them.
-they seem so enamored with this vague idea of "continuity" that they just don't say "I need this" and then look around and get it
-role players/supporting cast are meant to be cycled through, used up, paid appropriately, and if they play themselves out of the pay slot available, moved on for more appropriate pieces and/or picks. You can't get attached to role players AND manage your cap sensibly...they're opposing forces

It's nowhere near as difficult as finding the stars and we're lucky enough to have 2, maybe 2.5 already...the rest is more labor-intensive and constant

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