Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[pepe1991]

from GB; illustration of our offense. it's not just about not making shots, it's about taking worst possible shots as well.

[Skybox]

from GB; illustration of our offense. it's not just about not making shots, it's about taking worst possible shots as well.

Also, interesting to see how "elite PG" Lamelo Ball sets up his guys for success

[Skybox]

We should get Booker and Lillard too.

Don’t sleep on Curry and LeBron. They are quite good too.

Jokić or bust. That said, he might not fit Banchero that well so probably better not

Dwight would be a better complement to Franz and Paolo

[pepe1991]

from GB; illustration of our offense. it's not just about not making shots, it's about taking worst possible shots as well.

Also, interesting to see how "elite PG" Lamelo Ball sets up his guys for success

I'm iffy on Lamelo, but he only played 47 games.

Wanna hear some epic numbers?

Hornets offense without Lamelo 105,8
With Lamelo 110,6

I really thought Hornets would be better but in same time:
Lamelo 47 games played
Mark Williams- failed trade due injury-42 games played
Brandon Miller -27 games played
Grant Williams 16 games played ( acl tear)
Tre Mann - disc hernia , 13 games total, surgery, done for a year (potential career ending)

Might as well rebrand them into Charlotte Brokens.

[Skybox]

Here's a multi-teamer in response to an OP in the General board with Lamelo to HOU for Reed, filler and #10:

HOU sends: FVV, Reed, #10
HOU gets: Lamelo
Why: HOU gets a truly dynamic young offensive machine to grow with their ready to contend young squad

CHA sends: Lamelo
CHA gets: Reed, Wendell Carter, KCP, Cole Anthony(expiring), #10, #25
Why: CHA gets a solid pick, an exciting guard prospect, a young versatile 4/5 that can play with or behind Williams and a rock-solid 3&D SG to mentor and be a coach on the floor. TarHeel Cole could actually start at PG until Reed is ready, but, regardless, he has a TO if CHA decides to go another direction. Cole is possibly the best personality in the NBA and always supportive of young teammates in ORL. Decent players who fit but are necessary for salary matching. I think OP makes CHA a little TOO young - this version provides some vet mentors who can play and maybe stick longer term.

ORL sends: KCP, Wendell Carter, Cole Anthony, #25 (from DEN)
ORL gets: FVV
ORL consolidates 3 decent role-players who, admittedly, aren't great fits in ORL for an expiring vet leader to organize their offense. FVV has only one more highly-compensated season under team control, so ORL would want to discuss extension -maybe even prior to trade.

*ORL unloads 3 deals they really shouldn't want on their books for one highly-paid vet who fits nicely into their position of greatest need...FVV has a player option for next season at $44.9. HOU knowingly overpaid him short-term to help their VERY young core grow and it worked, but with Lamelo coming in - FVV is beyond expendable and a necessary salary match going out. ORL might be able to negotiate a more moderate multi-year deal closer prior to FVV exercising his option. I'd pay him $35m for each of two years or maybe a descending 3yr deal starting at $40, descending to $35, then $30 (?)....regardless, KCP, WCJ, and Cole's deals are not sustainable if we want to improve this team's offense. FVV could also be a solid example if the AB at PG experiment continues or ORL could draft a PG at #15 like Demin from BYU (6'9 Giddey 2.0?). I also like Murray-Boyles as a versatile defender to maybe take or support Isaac's minutes...leading to other potential moves.

Goga, Adams (UFA-MLE), Moe
Paolo, Isaac
Franz, Tds, Caleb
Suggs, AB, Jett
FVV, frp (Demin?), CoJo

[p0peye]

Seeing Denver falling apart, would it make sense to trade Isaac and Goga for MPJ? We get some sorely needed shooting if we can try Suggs/Franz/MPJ/Paolo/Wendell lineup for extended minutes.

[They_Them_Hatin]

Any interest in Grayson +Cavs 1st for Goga+ filler ?

[drsd]

ORL sends: KCP, Wendell Carter, Cole Anthony, #25 (from DEN)
ORL gets: FVV
ORL consolidates 3 decent role-players who, admittedly, aren't great fits in ORL for an expiring vet leader to organize their offense. FVV has only one more highly-compensated season under team control, so ORL would want to discuss extension -maybe even prior to trade.

Although I might argue about the specifics of the trade (I'm not a Fred VanVleet guy), the concept is approved.
This is the sort of consolidation chance Orlando needs to make.
The step from mediocre to very-good will take this sort of modest move. And it is modest in the scheme of things.
VanVleet will be an expiring deal in 2025/26 and there is a lot of ways to move this around f the player itself does not fit the roster.

[cedric76]

Honestly just swap Cole + FRP for sexton and we d in a very good position

I think it s a fair value for sexton (he is expiring, so Utah better off banking on him now)

White might be too expensive now
Simmons could be a fall back option

[drsd]

Honestly just swap Cole + FRP for sexton and we d in a very good position

I think it s a fair value for sexton (he is expiring, so Utah better off banking on him now)

White might be too expensive now
Simmons could be a fall back option

And-1

Improvising this roster in such ways is not brain surgery in space. These sorts of moves can be made by any GM in the league!

Just do it!

[Skybox]

Honestly just swap Cole + FRP for sexton and we d in a very good position

I think it s a fair value for sexton (he is expiring, so Utah better off banking on him now)

White might be too expensive now
Simmons could be a fall back option

And-1

Improvising this roster in such ways is not brain surgery in space. These sorts of moves can be made by any GM in the league!

Just do it!

Sexton makes 5.5m more than Cole...I'd throw in Jett if they'd take him - we need to get rid of some useless salary.

Salary matching isn't brain surgery either.

[cedric76]

Honestly just swap Cole + FRP for sexton and we d in a very good position

I think it s a fair value for sexton (he is expiring, so Utah better off banking on him now)

White might be too expensive now
Simmons could be a fall back option

And-1

Improvising this roster in such ways is not brain surgery in space. These sorts of moves can be made by any GM in the league!

Just do it!

Sexton makes 5.5m more than Cole...I'd throw in Jett if they'd take him - we need to get rid of some useless salary.

Salary matching isn't brain surgery either.

This is why you have Harris for

[Skybox]

And-1

Improvising this roster in such ways is not brain surgery in space. These sorts of moves can be made by any GM in the league!

Just do it!

Sexton makes 5.5m more than Cole...I'd throw in Jett if they'd take him - we need to get rid of some useless salary.

Salary matching isn't brain surgery either.

This is why you have Harris for

I do agree that was the point of all of the team option deals...but I'd just waive Harris' and unload Jett's guaranteed deal too.

[JRoy]

Honestly just swap Cole + FRP for sexton and we d in a very good position

I think it s a fair value for sexton (he is expiring, so Utah better off banking on him now)

White might be too expensive now
Simmons could be a fall back option

And-1

Improvising this roster in such ways is not brain surgery in space. These sorts of moves can be made by any GM in the league!

Just do it!

Almost any GM.

Definitely any RealGM.

[cedric76]

Sexton makes 5.5m more than Cole...I'd throw in Jett if they'd take him - we need to get rid of some useless salary.

Salary matching isn't brain surgery either.

This is why you have Harris for

I do agree that was the point of all of the team option deals...but I'd just waive Harris' and unload Jett's guaranteed deal too.

Too early to cut/ give up on Jett

Makes zero sense to unload him at the present time when you can still use Harris ' contract

[AdamTheGreek]

Zach Lowe bringing up a Suggs trade for Jamal Murray because Denver is desperate to get under the second apron appeals to me.
I think Murray’s injury worries are less of a problem than Suggs’.

[OrlandoDream]

Zach Lowe bringing up a Suggs trade for Jamal Murray because Denver is desperate to get under the second apron appeals to me.
I think Murray’s injury worries are less of a problem than Suggs’.

NO chance. Jamal Murray is decaying every year and that 50+mil per contract is poison. I rather take a risk at Trae Young for that cost.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Honestly just swap Cole + FRP for sexton and we d in a very good position

I think it s a fair value for sexton (he is expiring, so Utah better off banking on him now)

White might be too expensive now
Simmons could be a fall back option

it's been so obvious for a year or two now. Only issue is Utah has projected 2 and 19 from Minny. Do they really want a 3rd 1st rounder?

[cedric76]

Zach Lowe bringing up a Suggs trade for Jamal Murray because Denver is desperate to get under the second apron appeals to me.
I think Murray’s injury worries are less of a problem than Suggs’.

Please Adam, that's sooo short sighted

[Skybox]

Zach Lowe bringing up a Suggs trade for Jamal Murray because Denver is desperate to get under the second apron appeals to me.
I think Murray’s injury worries are less of a problem than Suggs’.

Just listened to your pod...I'm sure theres' a simpler way but that's not how I roll

Assumptions:
-DEN is in financial purgatory but still very good as long as Jokic is around...they're not entertaining a teardown and they're not moving Jokic
-DEN ownership is cheap and wants to avoid the 2nd apron while still being a contender
-Malone was fired because of his reluctance to lean on younger developing players...like his "uncle" Stan

DEN sends: Michael Porter, Julian Strawther and Jamal Murray
DEN gets: Jalen Suggs, Andrew Wiggins, Jonathan Isaac and Kyle Anderson (expiring)
Why: Murray's contract explodes upward while Suggs' drops each year. Wiggins may be less reliable offensively than MPJ but his defense/offense package is very strong. If healthy, Isaac, at $15m, is an elite defensive big and a beautiful complement to Jokic. Even in limited minutes, his contribution can change games. If he's not healthy, his contract is not guaranteed, and that may really be DEN ownership/FO's interest and comfort. Kyle Anderson is a heady vet playmaker with only one remaining year guaranteed. All of these players will contribute immediately while cutting payroll long-term.

MIA sends: Andrew Wiggins and Kyle Anderson, MIA 25 frp (#11?)
MIA gets: Michael Porter, ORL 25 frp & DEN 25 frp (#16 & 22?)
Why: Porter is a very complementary big next to Bam and, potentially forms a powerful young trio with Herro. MIA gets younger and leans into Ware, JJJ, Jovic and two decent frps this summer to retool on the fly. MIA has a history of finding gems later in a flat first round, so two shots appeals.

ORL sends: Jalen Suggs, Jonathan Isaac, ORL 25 frp & DEN 25 frp (#16 & 22?)
ORL gets: Jalen Murray, Julian Strawther, MIA 25 frp (#11?)
Why: Like Adam, Suggs' recent injury is worrisome to me. His contract is also worrisome and, as much as we all love his energy, I'm not convinced his shooting last year is really representative of who he is. Murray certainly has his own injury history (physicals will matter) but he also has a history of dueling toe to toe with studs like Donovan Mitchell in huge playoff games. He's as good a scoring threat from the backcourt as you'll find and he's definitely got that dawg in him in big moments. He can play on or off ball, so I think he's just the kind of backcourt star that will only enhance Paolo and Franz' game. I think Franz' diverse and efficient game makes him a perfect third option offensively because he can do so much to make others better but also can take over a game when matchups and opportunities dictate. ORL selects Maluach if he drops to #11 or, perhaps Collin Murray-Boyles, who can defend all over the floor like a young, inexpensive Isaac. His skillset likely contributes as a rookie and maybe he develops more of an offensive game over the years as well. CMB and TdS make for a very versatile rotation duo to deploy at different spots for different matchups.

WCJ, Goga, Moe
Paolo, Murray-Boyles
Franz, TdS, Caleb
KCP, AB, Howard
Murray, Cole, AB

*A possible follow-up might involve moving #11 to DAL (with expiring Cole) to DAL for Gafford...and then look to see if there is a market for Goga and/or Howard. If we could unload Howard & Goga for some future draft equity, I'd consider bringing back Harris on a $5m deal for a couple of years or just decline his $7.5m and plug Queen in. I really like AB developing into a more versatile KCP/Suggs at SG.