Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[pepe1991]

What if

Cole plays great in the playoffs
WCJ plays great in the playoffs
AB plays great in the playoffs

We lose 3-4 to the Celtics.

We run it back? !? !!

Not to be too negative - but that's a fear of mine...extensions for everybody, organic growth is happening

Don't worry, we would have to play Celtics 15 times to beat them 3 times in playoffs

Lot of heads will roll once they figure how good Celtics are when they are engaged. We lost to Cavs in 7 games, they ran them out of arena in 5.
We fought hard battles vs Pacers in regular season ,they swept them.
Dallas was hottest team entering finals, elite on offense and defense, they stomped them in 5 games.

[Skybox]

What if

Cole plays great in the playoffs
WCJ plays great in the playoffs
AB plays great in the playoffs

We lose 3-4 to the Celtics.

We run it back? !? !!

Not to be too negative - but that's a fear of mine...extensions for everybody, organic growth is happening

Do we block AB is a real question for me. I want an upgrade this offseason but that effectively blocks AB. I don’t think he is a bench player.

Then you need to get rid of AB AND KCP who play the same role, but presently better...AB is coming along nicely and would make a great 3rd guard. My hope is that KCP is part of a move to get a PG who can shoot and have a very strong 3 guard rotation with Suggs, Player X, and AB...all 3 could get starter minutes. 4th guy should be on a low budget...CoJo, even G. Harris if he's re-upped for less than $5m instead of the 7.5m he doesn't rate. I'd love to keep KCP as the 4th guard and also the primary backup at the 3 spot, but I don't know if that's an option given his $23m deal...Suggs, KCP, and AB are all good - but none answers our need for more than marginal playmaking and scoring.

[JoshuaPotter]

Out of our backcourt. Let's say we could pick only 1 player today? For me that would be AB. I love Suggs and I am just concerned about his long term durability. If I was choosing between healthy Suggs and AB. I am choosing healthy Suggs.

The rest, IMHO can be shipped, but the problem is, you can't ship em unless they play at a level that increases their value. Right now at the current roster strength. AB is the best guard (I feel like this isn't saying much) and has the potential to have the best career still.

[RichCollab]

Out of our backcourt. Let's say we could pick only 1 player today? For me that would be AB. I love Suggs and I am just concerned about his long term durability. If I was choosing between healthy Suggs and AB. I am choosing healthy Suggs.

The rest, IMHO can be shipped, but the problem is, you can't ship em unless they play at a level that increases their value. Right now at the current roster strength. AB is the best guard (I feel like this isn't saying much) and has the potential to have the best career still.

Suggs for me. I have concerns about his knee but I feel he is a one of one player. Love watching him play and hopefully he plays a lot next season.

AB is the next most valuable guard on our roster. He could sub in for PG - PF. Paolo subs out Franz shifts to PF.

Hoping AB demonstrates a solid 3 and aggression on defense during the playoffs. He can guard 1 - 4 on the Celtics.

[eyriq]

What if

Cole plays great in the playoffs
WCJ plays great in the playoffs
AB plays great in the playoffs

We lose 3-4 to the Celtics.

We run it back? !? !!

I think the book is closed on Cole, he's getting shopped and likely shipped, and I think WCJ has always been more likely kept than traded. AB's never been on the trade block, that's just not Weltman's M.O.

[JoshuaPotter]

I expect nothing less then a blowout game 1. Just my opinion. If not a full sweep.

[Idiosyncratic]

I mean if this team plays the Celtics close then some serious internal growth did happen. I would expect if we were fully healthy and with a guard addition this current Celtics team would still smack us, they are basically historically great accounting for the last two years.

We obviously need help via some additions and we need our guys to continue to develop. We also need them to get worse, which hopefully comes via the 2nd apron making them break things up and age related decline.

I just hope we can have at least some competitive games. I don't think GMs are making serious decisions based off of a few games and if they are they shouldn't be GMs.

[Ducklett]

8-11, 5-7 from 3. not too washed

He redeemed himself from the 0-13 performance last season with the Warriors in the play-in game in Sacramento. That's also his hometown.

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I actually thought the opposite watching the game last night. He was moving around pretty well.

He scored all of his points pretty much in the second quarter and then was looking rough and winded. I will say I was somewhat overreactionary but watching the game with a bunch of Dallas fans brings the whole mood negative.

I would be like Jeezy you guys are up almost 30 and my Dallas friends are like "win now" or "it could be game 4 of the finals, we are about to win, and I would chant Fire Nico". I want to apologize to all of you guys here because at least we aren't that bad.

[jonbob17]

A really Weltman trade idea...Josh Giddey is now a 38% three point shooter. Sign and trade for Giddey with the Bulls. 6'8" Guard who can dribblie, pass, and shoot(poorly). It was rumored we were going to take him at 5 that year.

That Giddey Trade the Bulls made was such a trap. He was always going to get so much playing time with an offense that shoot and score alright. 15/8/7 sounded about right preseason....With that said i thought he was pretty damn good this year. And part of me is thinking, he is a good shooter and he's exactly what the Magic need. Always a sucker for big guards that can move the ball. Giddey, Suggs, and Black...yes please! I just don't know what the Giddey number looks like...the Bulls kind of have to pay him.

And being a sucker for those tall guards that can pass, I'd roll the dice on Lonzo Ball being available for 50 games next season. This year's injury PTSD will probably having me throw up in my mouth for such a suggestion.

[Bensational]

A really Weltman trade idea...Josh Giddey is now a 38% three point shooter. Sign and trade for Giddey with the Bulls. 6'8" Guard who can dribblie, pass, and shoot(poorly). It was rumored we were going to take him at 5 that year.

That Giddey Trade the Bulls made was such a trap. He was always going to get so much playing time with an offense that shoot and score alright. 15/8/7 sounded about right preseason....With that said i thought he was pretty damn good this year. And part of me is thinking, he is a good shooter and he's exactly what the Magic need. Always a sucker for big guards that can move the ball. Giddey, Suggs, and Black...yes please! I just don't know what the Giddey number looks like...the Bulls kind of have to pay him.

I’ve been trying to dream up ways to get Giddey but can’t figure out how without giving up at least Suggs or AB to get him. Maybe Suggs would be open to the idea since HVL just got drafted to Chicago? I don’t want to really consider that though cos Suggs is a fav of mine. Giddey is probably well placed to get overpaid in a bidding war between BKN and CHI as a FA, too.

[basketballRob]

I'm not sure Giddey can guard SGs.

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[eyriq]

Giddey for Suggs swap would be interesting.

[Bensational]

Is the writing on the wall that Goga is expendable? If he can’t make the cut for the playoffs then do we move him even though he was essential for covering for WCJ during the season?

He’s dollar for dollar gotta be one of our better assets. Mosley seems locked in on WCJ and Isaac is locked into long term money. CoJo clearly isn’t a long term answer and KCP doesn’t look like one either.

Feels a bit dirty talking about this stuff in the lead up to the playoffs but I’m antsy and bored.

[RichCollab]

Is the writing on the wall that Goga is expendable? If he can’t make the cut for the playoffs then do we move him even though he was essential for covering for WCJ during the season?

He’s dollar for dollar gotta be one of our better assets. Mosley seems locked in on WCJ and Isaac is locked into long term money. CoJo clearly isn’t a long term answer and KCP doesn’t look like one either.

Feels a bit dirty talking about this stuff in the lead up to the playoffs but I’m antsy and bored.

If Goga doesn’t play in the playoffs, why wouldn’t he be expendable? JI and WCJ actually played a ton of games each this year. I’m pretty sure we are going to bring Moe back.

I do think it’s possible we trade one of WCJ or JI this offseason opening a spot for Goga at that point.

I assume all our centers are on the table if required to bring in that 4th player to Paolo, Franz, and Suggs.

Call me crazy but AB may be that 4th guy. Curious how he responds in the playoffs.

I could see AB and a center moved for our next starting guard also.

AB
Suggs
Franz
Paolo

They have bring some level of play making. KCP doesn’t bring any. Add Sexton/Simons/Monk as a 6th man and maybe it’s enough?

[Idiosyncratic]

Is the writing on the wall that Goga is expendable? If he can’t make the cut for the playoffs then do we move him even though he was essential for covering for WCJ during the season?

He’s dollar for dollar gotta be one of our better assets. Mosley seems locked in on WCJ and Isaac is locked into long term money. CoJo clearly isn’t a long term answer and KCP doesn’t look like one either.

Feels a bit dirty talking about this stuff in the lead up to the playoffs but I’m antsy and bored.

I think Goga is definitely a trade chip, especially if they draft a big. Already out of the rotation, plus Wendell, Mo and Isaac are already here. It is good to have depth behind Wendell and Isaac who are always hurt, but that is where Mo and a potential pick come in.

[Idiosyncratic]

Problem with Giddey and White even before debating how good they are is that they will be getting paid soon. Very hard for us to afford, especially if we start talking 25-30 million plus. You start getting into a full bench of rookies and vet mins at that point.

Those types of benches have made life rough for the Nuggets and Bucks and they both have all-time greats on their rosters.

[RichCollab]

Problem with Giddey and White even before debating how good they are is that they will be getting paid soon. Very hard for us to afford, especially if we start talking 25-30 million plus. You start getting into a full bench of rookies and vet mins at that point.

Those types of benches have made life rough for the Nuggets and Bucks and they both have all-time greats on their rosters.

Pretty sure we will be paying 25 - 30 million for a starting PG.

[Idiosyncratic]

Problem with Giddey and White even before debating how good they are is that they will be getting paid soon. Very hard for us to afford, especially if we start talking 25-30 million plus. You start getting into a full bench of rookies and vet mins at that point.

Those types of benches have made life rough for the Nuggets and Bucks and they both have all-time greats on their rosters.

Pretty sure we will be paying 25 - 30 million for a starting PG.

If they trade Wendell and Isaac and move their money into the backcourt, sure. But otherwise we would be talking like 180 million into 6 players, three of which are frequently hurt. That is gross even if the cap goes up 10% again next year (26/27).

[CarraT]

Problem with Giddey and White even before debating how good they are is that they will be getting paid soon. Very hard for us to afford, especially if we start talking 25-30 million plus. You start getting into a full bench of rookies and vet mins at that point.

Those types of benches have made life rough for the Nuggets and Bucks and they both have all-time greats on their rosters.

Pretty sure we will be paying 25 - 30 million for a starting PG.

If they trade Wendell and Isaac and move their money into the backcourt, sure. But otherwise we would be talking like 180 million into 6 players, three of which are frequently hurt. That is gross even if the cap goes up 10% again next year (26/27).

Pay 30 mio for a starting pg instead of for a 9ppg 3D SG (while already having Suggs signed for 30 mio to play the same position) and you’re fine.

[basketballRob]

They probably aren't going to bring in another guard other than possibly a draft pick.

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