Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F

[pinoynurse]

terry rozier?

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[jayrehme]

terry rozier?

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Can Rozier defend? Augustin should be a spark plug off the bench, not capable of defending NBA starters.

[MoMM]

--Fultz clearly has no interest in playing or retiring

If Fultz is truly awful, the Magic can waive him next year and not extend him the following.

Thus his contract can be bundled with Mozgov and Augustin next year or with Fournier the following. From a cap-management perspective, Fultz is only a high reward player for Orlando, with no real cap risks.

That said, what if Fultz goes for 20/8/5 next year? Orlando will need to start thinking about maxing him to retain him. A good problem, but an expensive one.

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If I'm not mistaken, we have to decide about MF this year, before the season starts.

[pepe1991]

--Fultz clearly has no interest in playing or retiring

If Fultz is truly awful, the Magic can waive him next year and not extend him the following.

Thus his contract can be bundled with Mozgov and Augustin next year or with Fournier the following. From a cap-management perspective, Fultz is only a high reward player for Orlando, with no real cap risks.

That said, what if Fultz goes for 20/8/5 next year? Orlando will need to start thinking about maxing him to retain him. A good problem, but an expensive one.

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If I'm not mistaken, we have to decide about MF this year, before the season starts.

His option for 2019-20 is already picked by Philly, that's guaranteed money he will make this year.
Magic have up until October 30 to pick up his $12,25M option for next, 2020-2021 season.

If it's any more helpful to understand, it's like happend with Hezonja. His 4th year option (2018-19) was declined but he played whole 2017-18 with Magic AFTER declined option.

[drsd]

His option for 2019-20 is already picked by Philly, that's guaranteed money he will make this year.
Magic have up until October 30 to pick up his $12,25M option for next, 2020-2021 season.

If it's any more helpful to understand, it's like happend with Hezonja. His 4th year option (2018-19) was declined but he played whole 2017-18 with Magic AFTER declined option.

To add: even if the Magic pick up his 20/21 season, then the Magic could even then relinquish rights for the subsequent summer (just like was done to Grant). Orlando has two free summers to consider Fultz' role on this team; but yes he will be on the roster this year.


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[Catledge]

If Fultz is truly awful, the Magic can waive him next year and not extend him the following.

Thus his contract can be bundled with Mozgov and Augustin next year or with Fournier the following. From a cap-management perspective, Fultz is only a high reward player for Orlando, with no real cap risks.

That said, what if Fultz goes for 20/8/5 next year? Orlando will need to start thinking about maxing him to retain him. A good problem, but an expensive one.

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If I'm not mistaken, we have to decide about MF this year, before the season starts.

His option for 2019-20 is already picked by Philly, that's guaranteed money he will make this year.
Magic have up until October 30 to pick up his $12,25M option for next, 2020-2021 season.

If it's any more helpful to understand, it's like happend with Hezonja. His 4th year option (2018-19) was declined but he played whole 2017-18 with Magic AFTER declined option.

I think we're going to know more by then than a lot of people think. If he can't play in preseason and they're still saying "no timetable," then I would want us to decline the option.

[pepe1991]

If I'm not mistaken, we have to decide about MF this year, before the season starts.

His option for 2019-20 is already picked by Philly, that's guaranteed money he will make this year.
Magic have up until October 30 to pick up his $12,25M option for next, 2020-2021 season.

If it's any more helpful to understand, it's like happend with Hezonja. His 4th year option (2018-19) was declined but he played whole 2017-18 with Magic AFTER declined option.

I think we're going to know more by then than a lot of people think. If he can't play in preseason and they're still saying "no timetable," then I would want us to decline the option.

Yes, if he ain't ready for preseason without any indications when he plays, i don't see much reason to pick up 4th year .
Also that would NOT mean team is done with him, i highly dobut anybody would consider paying him over $12,25M a year on blind faith.

[bigdogdylan5]

I really hope we do something with the PG position. Rozier would be perfect imo but do we have enough to get him with just MLE

[Def Swami]

I really soured on Rozier throughout the season. He's never been an efficient guard, but he shows flashes of potential.

However, if the market price is relatively low, then I think the Magic could be suitors. Spencer Dinwiddie was similarly an inefficient guard with some size who is now a solid starting guard in the NBA. The Nets were able to capitalize on a low cost move. This would be one of those low cost, low risk moves that the Magic could make to potentially help their back court. We really can't rely on Markelle Fultz and DJ Augustin going into the season.

[MoMM]

His option for 2019-20 is already picked by Philly, that's guaranteed money he will make this year.
Magic have up until October 30 to pick up his $12,25M option for next, 2020-2021 season.

If it's any more helpful to understand, it's like happend with Hezonja. His 4th year option (2018-19) was declined but he played whole 2017-18 with Magic AFTER declined option.

I think we're going to know more by then than a lot of people think. If he can't play in preseason and they're still saying "no timetable," then I would want us to decline the option.

Yes, if he ain't ready for preseason without any indications when he plays, i don't see much reason to pick up 4th year .
Also that would NOT mean team is done with him, i highly dobut anybody would consider paying him over $12,25M a year on blind faith.

The problem is that this way he wouldn't be a RFA, so he could play well and we wouldn't be able to afford/keep him.

[bigdogdylan5]

Will the magic have any cap space if they renounce Ross and stretch mozgov with the cap hold of Vuc?

[j-ragg]

Will the magic have any cap space if they renounce Ross and stretch mozgov with the cap hold of Vuc?

I have us around 90 million if Ross walks and Moz is stretched. With a few empty roster spots still.

[pepe1991]

I think we're going to know more by then than a lot of people think. If he can't play in preseason and they're still saying "no timetable," then I would want us to decline the option.

Yes, if he ain't ready for preseason without any indications when he plays, i don't see much reason to pick up 4th year .
Also that would NOT mean team is done with him, i highly dobut anybody would consider paying him over $12,25M a year on blind faith.

The problem is that this way he wouldn't be a RFA, so he could play well and we wouldn't be able to afford/keep him.

Yea, but i don't see how he could play well so soon after all time he skipped basketball.

[OrlandO]

Will the magic have any cap space if they renounce Ross and stretch mozgov with the cap hold of Vuc?

I believe about 10m if they do all that, but no point because they can re-sign ross, keep moz as an expiring and still get a similar player with the 9m mid level exception. But we'll see if Ross actually wants to be here or if he gets overpaid to go elsewhere.

[bigdogdylan5]

Will the magic have any cap space if they renounce Ross and stretch mozgov with the cap hold of Vuc?

I believe about 10m if they do all that, but no point because they can re-sign ross, keep moz as an expiring and still get a similar player with the 9m mid level exception. But we'll see if Ross actually wants to be here or if he gets overpaid to go elsewhere.

I mean might as well do what it takes to sign Ross but what PGs are available for MLE? Rozier (maybe), Mudiay, isiah Thomas, Beverly god help us lol

[OrlandO]

Will the magic have any cap space if they renounce Ross and stretch mozgov with the cap hold of Vuc?

I believe about 10m if they do all that, but no point because they can re-sign ross, keep moz as an expiring and still get a similar player with the 9m mid level exception. But we'll see if Ross actually wants to be here or if he gets overpaid to go elsewhere.

I mean might as well do what it takes to sign Ross but what PGs are available for MLE? Rozier (maybe), Mudiay, isiah Thomas, Beverly god help us lol

Satoransky? I think we were rumored to have interest in him.
I'm not sure we're going to spend money on a PG who can't play multiple positions though... they seem all in on seeing this Fultz experiment through and we still have DJ. Having too much competition at PG would send the wrong message to Fultz who they are kind of babying until they know more about what he can and can't do.

[ezzzp]

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[The Effect]

I believe about 10m if they do all that, but no point because they can re-sign ross, keep moz as an expiring and still get a similar player with the 9m mid level exception. But we'll see if Ross actually wants to be here or if he gets overpaid to go elsewhere.

I mean might as well do what it takes to sign Ross but what PGs are available for MLE? Rozier (maybe), Mudiay, isiah Thomas, Beverly god help us lol

Satoransky? I think we were rumored to have interest in him.
I'm not sure we're going to spend money on a PG who can't play multiple positions though... they seem all in on seeing this Fultz experiment through and we still have DJ. Having too much competition at PG would send the wrong message to Fultz who they are kind of babying until they know more about what he can and can't do.

Thats why i seem them bringing back MCW. Hes a valuable backup and isnt a threat to fultz long term, and can likey be kept very cheaply
I see any money they have being spent on ross or a replacement for ross
My hope is that if ross leaves, they find a way to get lamb. but not sure he would be any cheaper

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[ezzzp]

I really hope we do something with the PG position. Rozier would be perfect imo but do we have enough to get him with just MLE

$9.2m MLE and promise that the starting PG spot is his to lose. DJ expires next year and Fultz is ? and would take time to develop into starter level PG anyhow. If Fultz shot returns, then they can play together, if it doesn't then Fultz is back up caliber.

Rozier / Augustin / Fultz
Fournier / Ross / Fultz
Gordon / Iwundu / Okeke
Isaac / Jefferson / Okeke
Vucevic / Bamba / Birch or Jefferson