Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!

Post #361 » by **Howard Mass** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:34 pm

Knightro wrote:

Read on Twitter

With this, I think Jeffries definitely makes the roster and depending on what happens with Markelle Fultz, I can see them signing a combo guard who can provide some depth.

They might keep the spot open or on make good for a good chunk of the year though so they have some flexibility.

If Fultz is healthy, they won't have to make any decisions now.

Popsicle1228 · Post #362 » by **Popsicle1228** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:55 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:
J the Drafter wrote:
dsg2021 wrote:I was always a little sour with him for not trying harder in Orlando, but as a 32+ age player, my retrospect keeps shifting more and more towards Otis taking the L on that. Plus VC was always a consummate professional. Otis really needed to play the line-up-the-ducks for a FA game instead, but honestly, with how D12 tapered out after injuries even that is becoming all a moot point too.

I wasn’t aware people considered Vince a bust here. He wasn’t Hedo, and Stan clearly missed Hedo’s playmaking skill, but Vince did bring scoring.

We needed him to be the Nets Vince Carter but it seems as soon as he got here, he began his decline.

It didn't help that Shard began a slide that year as well. If Shard had played to the previous years level, that 09-10 team may have been the best Magic team of all-time. Despite this they had a great year, especially after the all-star break where I believe they lost only 1 game or maybe 2 until the playoffs. It was an amazing run until they ran into the much hungrier, and ready for revenge Celtics in the ECF. I will never forget Rondo chasing down loose ball from well behind Jason Williams.

On a side note, I remember an interview with Dwight right after VC was signed in the summer. Dwight made fun of Vince calling him "half man, half retired" which was a direct pun of "half man, half amazing." Ironic that Dwight is now the same age Vince was when he signed with the Magic, and being on a one year deal, Dwight's stint in the league has legitimate potential to end at the same time VC's does.

rcklsscognition · Post #363 » by **rcklsscognition** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:10 pm

More space for more PF/Cs.

pepe1991 · Post #364 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:17 pm

And Okeke being redshirted is suprise to... around 2 posters here :lol:

tiderulz · Post #365 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:20 pm

Ducklett wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
nymets1 wrote:Antonio Brown is an interesting guy. I'm actually glad he's now a free agent because the teams I have Antonio Brown on that he was undroppable to the waiver wire before his release. But because he got released and became a free agent, He's now droppable and he can now choose his team.

he is radioactive right now. i cant see anyone immediately picking him up. dude is just plain stupid. why give up all that money

edit: didnt see he was already picked up by the patriots. strange pairing, him and Belicheck

I don't mean this with any spite or malice because I enjoy debating things with you and I love you buddy, but it is funny how wrong you are sometimes lol (Not that I am immune to being wrong or anything)

is he radioactive now?

tiderulz · Post #366 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:21 pm

Knightro wrote:

Read on Twitter

what exactly does this mean?

Post #367 » by **Knightro** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:33 pm

tiderulz wrote:what exactly does this mean?

Shams worded his original tweet poorly and made it more confusing than it needed to be.

Essentially the Magic and Okeke mutually agreed to not sign Okeke this for season.

He'll spend the season rehabbing, and likely spend some time in the second half of the year down in Lakeland playing for them.

The Magic will be signing Okeke to a standard four year rookie scale contract in the summer of 2020.

tiderulz · Post #368 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:43 pm

Knightro wrote:
tiderulz wrote:what exactly does this mean?

Shams worded his original tweet poorly and made it more confusing than it needed to be.

Essentially the Magic and Okeke mutually agreed to not sign Okeke this for season.

He'll spend the season rehabbing, and likely spend some time in the second half of the year down in Lakeland playing for them.

The Magic will be signing Okeke to a standard four year rookie scale contract in the summer of 2020.

wow, thats ermm a pretty crappy deal for him.

Post #369 » by **Knightro** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:59 pm

tiderulz wrote:wow, thats ermm a pretty crappy deal for him.

Yes and no.

He delays his millions for a year in exchange for a few more million guaranteed overall.

tiderulz · Post #370 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:23 pm

Knightro wrote:
tiderulz wrote:wow, thats ermm a pretty crappy deal for him.

Yes and no.

He delays his millions for a year in exchange for a few more million guaranteed overall.

also delays his next contract by 1 more year also. how will he pay for things this year?

like i said, pretty $%$# deal for him

rcklsscognition · Post #371 » by **rcklsscognition** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:04 pm

99. Evan Fournier

Photo by Stephen M. Dowell/Zuma Press/Icon Sportswire
Orlando Magic | G

Previous rank: 99

Projected RPM wins: 2.7

Brian Windhorst on Fournier's summer: Here is the kind of guy Fournier is. As soon as he got his bronze medal with France in the FIBA World Cup, he gave it away, saying he already had one from 2014 at home. Then he criticized American friends, such as former Magic teammate Tobias Harris, for not coming to play. Fournier played with the same fearless attitude throughout the tournament. He battered Team USA, and even though he didn't shoot great down the stretch, he finished at 41% from 3-point range and averaged 19.8 points in the event. Still unclear: Whether he gave away the watch he got for making the all-tournament team.

MoMM · Post #372 » by **MoMM** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:08 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Knightro wrote:
tiderulz wrote:wow, thats ermm a pretty crappy deal for him.

Yes and no.

He delays his millions for a year in exchange for a few more million guaranteed overall.

also delays his next contract by 1 more year also. how will he pay for things this year?

like i said, pretty $%$# deal for him

His G-League contract can pay for his things this year.

tiderulz · Post #373 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:18 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:99. Evan Fournier

Photo by Stephen M. Dowell/Zuma Press/Icon Sportswire
Orlando Magic | G

Previous rank: 99

Projected RPM wins: 2.7

Brian Windhorst on Fournier's summer: Here is the kind of guy Fournier is. As soon as he got his bronze medal with France in the FIBA World Cup, he gave it away, saying he already had one from 2014 at home. Then he criticized American friends, such as former Magic teammate Tobias Harris, for not coming to play. Fournier played with the same fearless attitude throughout the tournament. He battered Team USA, and even though he didn't shoot great down the stretch, he finished at 41% from 3-point range and averaged 19.8 points in the event. Still unclear: Whether he gave away the watch he got for making the all-tournament team.

he gave the medal to his father. not that callous

ezzzp · Post #374 » by **ezzzp** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:44 pm

tiderulz wrote:also delays his next contract by 1 more year also. how will he pay for things this year?

like i said, pretty $%$# deal for him

a bank loan and/or credit cards...he's got guaranteed millions coming to him

ezzzp · Post #375 » by **ezzzp** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:14 pm

So the Magic now have two open roster spots and two open camp-invite spots. They have $3,943,522 in luxury tax space to fill the 14th and 15th roster spots if they choose to.

Guaranteed Roster:
1 D.J. Augustin
2 Evan Fournier
3 Aaron Gordon
4 Jonathan Isaac
5 Nikola Vucevic
6 Michael Carter-Williams
7 Terrence Ross
8 Al-Farouq Aminu
9 Khem Birch
10 Wesley Iwundu
11 Markelle Fultz
12 Mo Bamba
13 Melvin Frazier (IL)
14
15

Training Camp Invites:
14
15
16 Josh Magette (2-Way)
17 DaQuan Jeffries
18 Vic Law
19 Amile Jefferson (2-Way)
20 Isaac Humphries

Skybox · Post #376 » by **Skybox** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:25 pm

OK, just clicked on a "Top Defenders at each position" article on Bleacher Report...they listed top 5. I was hoping to catch a glimpse of Isaac or maybe Gordon but nope...Nikola Vucevic checks in at #3 after Gobert and Myles Turner...your thoughts? :wink:

Blue_and_Whte · Post #377 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:13 pm

Skybox wrote:OK, just clicked on a "Top Defenders at each position" article on Bleacher Report...they listed top 5. I was hoping to catch a glimpse of Isaac or maybe Gordon but nope...Nikola Vucevic checks in at #3 after Gobert and Myles Turner...your thoughts?

That people In here dont know WTF they're talking about.... :wink:

tiderulz · Post #378 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:41 pm

Skybox wrote:OK, just clicked on a "Top Defenders at each position" article on Bleacher Report...they listed top 5. I was hoping to catch a glimpse of Isaac or maybe Gordon but nope...Nikola Vucevic checks in at #3 after Gobert and Myles Turner...your thoughts?

hey kid, you have money coming to you in the future, why not take a loan and start paying interest on money you dont have yet. :noway:

thats how you end up on a 30 for 30 broke

Catledge · Post #379 » by **Catledge** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:57 pm

ezzzp wrote:
tiderulz wrote:also delays his next contract by 1 more year also. how will he pay for things this year?

like i said, pretty $%$# deal for him

a bank loan and/or credit cards...he's got guaranteed millions coming to him

Do we know that this is true? Can't the Magic just renounce his rights instead of offering him a contract next summer?

VFX · Post #380 » by **VFX** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:57 pm

Skybox wrote:OK, just clicked on a "Top Defenders at each position" article on Bleacher Report...they listed top 5. I was hoping to catch a glimpse of Isaac or maybe Gordon but nope...Nikola Vucevic checks in at #3 after Gobert and Myles Turner...your thoughts?

Knew someone was going to comment on that.

Going to take that list with a huge grain of salt considering Drummond, Adams, Gasol (aka Vuc’s nightmare), and Embiid aren’t even on the list. I’m also wondering where Vuc’s defense stats (effort) are next season after he’s been paid.