Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team"

PrimeThyme · Post #361 » by **PrimeThyme** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:16 pm

I imagine that Houston wanted picks back as well and that’s just a non-starter considering Westbrook’s age and contract situation.

I do appreciate them at least being active in terms of pursuing future long-term options at guard for this team. We just haven’t seen enough from Fultz to put any eggs whatsoever into that basket.

They still need to make a move for a 3 though. We can’t go into the season with this rotation.

thelead · Post #362 » by **thelead** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:18 pm

Knightro wrote:

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Not sure how that would work between Westbrook, Fultz and Cole... but it would be interesting... and expensive. Westbrook is owed $130 mil over the next 3 seasons.

Skybox · Post #363 » by **Skybox** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:19 pm

thelead wrote:
Skybox wrote:I love these redemption/salvage opportunities. Just don’t dive in with both feet and depend on them. They only raise your upside if you grab them and pray...where else does a middling, no cap space team score a big win? You can’t count on fleecing other GMs.

Only one at a time and make sure they come in humble. Once in a while you get lucky

Not worth it with his 'talent' level. One person can ruin the chemistry of a team.

Probably true with JJ...but I’d take a long look

Post #364 » by **Knightro** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:20 pm

Acquiring Westbrook would for sure mean the end of Fultz IMO.

Shot out of a cannon: Gordon + Fultz + Fournier for Westbrook + House works financially.

G: Westbrook, Anthony
G: Ross, (resign MCW?)
F: House, FA signing (Holiday?)
F: Okeke, Aminu, Clark
C: Vucevic, Bamba, Birch

thelead · Post #365 » by **thelead** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:22 pm

Knightro wrote:Acquiring Westbrook would for sure mean the end of Fultz IMO.

Shot out of a cannon: Gordon + Fultz + Fournier for Westbrook + House works financially.

G: Westbrook, Anthony
G: Ross, MCW (?)
F: House, FA signing (Holiday?)
F: Okeke, Aminu, Clark
C: Vucevic, Bamba, Birch

I guess the magic would know better as they can keep a close eye on Fultz but there is no way I give up Fultz for Westbrook unless I'm sure that 3pt shot is never coming back.

Post #366 » by **Knightro** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:27 pm

thelead wrote:I guess the magic would know better as they can keep a close eye on Fultz but there is no way I give up Fultz for Westbrook unless I'm sure that 3pt shot is never coming back.

For better or worse, any team acquiring Westbrook is doing so under the guise he's going to have the ball in his hands every single possession and ultimately end up being a 34+ USG% player.

There's just no room for Fultz in that situation. He makes too much money to be a 15 MPG backup and he simply doesn't shoot well enough to see any sort of significant minutes at the 2 off the ball.

MagicFan4Lyfe · Post #367 » by **MagicFan4Lyfe** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:33 pm

Knightro wrote:

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Well, glad Weltman woke up from the coma of the last 3 years. Welcome back to reality. Now build us a real contender!

thelead · Post #368 » by **thelead** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:47 pm

Knightro wrote:
thelead wrote:I guess the magic would know better as they can keep a close eye on Fultz but there is no way I give up Fultz for Westbrook unless I'm sure that 3pt shot is never coming back.

For better or worse, any team acquiring Westbrook is doing so under the guise he's going to have the ball in his hands every single possession and ultimately end up being a 34+ USG% player.

There's just no room for Fultz in that situation. He makes too much money to be a 15 MPG backup and he simply doesn't shoot well enough to see any sort of significant minutes at the 2 off the ball.

Yeah and there is just no room for improvement with his massive contract too. My goal would be to have him mentor Fultz and Cole... then trade him when he's an expiring. Even that is a very hard sell for me to accept. That contract is a franchise killer.

dsg2021 · Post #369 » by **dsg2021** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:47 pm

I've decided to be a good samaritan and help out GS this year. Out of the kindness of my heart, I will trade Al-Farouq Aminu, Evan Fournier, and Cole Anthony's draft rights for Klay Thompson.

You're welcome, GS.

thelead · Post #370 » by **thelead** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:50 pm

dsg2021 wrote:I've decided to be a good samaritan and help out GS this year. Out of the kindness of my heart, I will trade Al-Farouq Aminu, Evan Fournier, and Cole Anthony's draft rights for Klay Thompson.

You're welcome, GS.

HELLLLLLLL NO... :lol:

Klay is coming off an acl injury, just now tore his achilles and is owed ~$160 million over the next 4 years. You have to be prepared to tank for the next half decade at the very least if it doesn't work out.

Dub_Sax · Post #371 » by **Dub_Sax** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:10 pm

thelead wrote:
Knightro wrote:
thelead wrote:I guess the magic would know better as they can keep a close eye on Fultz but there is no way I give up Fultz for Westbrook unless I'm sure that 3pt shot is never coming back.

For better or worse, any team acquiring Westbrook is doing so under the guise he's going to have the ball in his hands every single possession and ultimately end up being a 34+ USG% player.

There's just no room for Fultz in that situation. He makes too much money to be a 15 MPG backup and he simply doesn't shoot well enough to see any sort of significant minutes at the 2 off the ball.

Yeah and there is just no room for improvement with his massive contract too. My goal would be to have him mentor Fultz and Cole... then trade him when he's an expiring. Even that is a very hard sell for me to accept. That contract is a franchise killer.

If fultz is gone, he could still be a positive mentor for cole. I recall oladipo crediting seeing/following westbrooks work ethic for his success in indy.

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Blue_and_Whte · Post #372 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:30 pm

Knightro wrote:Acquiring Westbrook would for sure mean the end of Fultz IMO.

Shot out of a cannon: Gordon + Fultz + Fournier for Westbrook + House works financially.

G: Westbrook, Anthony
G: Ross, (resign MCW?)
F: House, FA signing (Holiday?)
F: Okeke, Aminu, Clark
C: Vucevic, Bamba, Birch

So does AG + Fournier + Bamba

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #373 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:40 pm

BAMBAEXPRESS wrote:
Knightro wrote:

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Well, glad Weltman woke up from the coma of the last 3 years. Welcome back to reality. Now build us a real contender!

im sure houston laughed at our offer of AG, scraps and a future heavily protected pick. :lol:

KillMonger · Post #374 » by **KillMonger** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:41 pm

dsg2021 wrote:I've decided to be a good samaritan and help out GS this year. Out of the kindness of my heart, I will trade Al-Farouq Aminu, Evan Fournier, and Cole Anthony's draft rights for Klay Thompson.

You're welcome, GS.

take away anthony and you may have something there

jonbob17 · Post #375 » by **jonbob17** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:52 pm

I wonder if that Klay Thompson injury makes it any easier for the Magic to sign Isaac to a team-friendly extension this offseason. If we return to a normal schedule, and the free agent period starts at the beginning of July next summer, Isaac definitely ain't going to be showing off his knee in the gym before free agency.

Mauro Pedrosa · Post #376 » by **Mauro Pedrosa** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:00 pm

Fultz, Gordon, Bamba, picks and salary filler for Harden

Make it happen

pepe1991 · Post #377 » by **pepe1991** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:05 pm

jonbob17 wrote:I wonder if that Klay Thompson injury makes it any easier for the Magic to sign Isaac to a team-friendly extension this offseason. If we return to a normal schedule, and the free agent period starts at the beginning of July next summer, Isaac definitely ain't going to be showing off his knee in the gym before free agency.

During 2013 and Kobe injury i got really deep into reading about this potentially career ending injuries and all ortopedic sugeons kept repeating same thing: most people after injury of one leg end up with injury on other, previously healthy leg.

And now i saw Klay had ACL on one leg, achillie tear on other...

I wish Isaac nothing but best, like any athlete who puts his body on the line, but man, he really has injury issues from start of his career. Team frinedly deal with some 4th year team's option would be perfect. Ofc if you are Isaac you want to cash in right away.

pepe1991 · Post #378 » by **pepe1991** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:27 pm

Why not do Gordon for Gordon trade with Houston instad?

basketballRob · Post #379 » by **basketballRob** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:32 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
BAMBAEXPRESS wrote:
Knightro wrote:

Read on Twitter

Well, glad Weltman woke up from the coma of the last 3 years. Welcome back to reality. Now build us a real contender!

im sure houston laughed at our offer of AG, scraps and a future heavily protected pick.

No one wants Westbrook he's washed up. Probably Westbrook's agent put this rumor out there

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Bakomagic · Post #380 » by **Bakomagic** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:32 pm

Mauro Pedrosa wrote:Fultz, Gordon, Bamba, picks and salary filler for Harden

Make it happen

It’s probably have to be Fultz, Bamba, Isaac, Fournier and next years unprotected 1st for Harden and D. House

Hurts to lose Our young star potential guys but we’d get a no doubt superstar scorer and still have enough talent to be a contender !

Split the MLE between DJ and Ennis and grab a vet min guy or two with Championship experience to mentor these guys and compete for a top 3 seed in the East !

Cole-DJ-MCW
Harden-Ross
Ennis-House-Aminu
AG-Okeke-Clark
Vuc-Birch

Do Rockets say no ?

Do the Magic say no ?

Could this team compete for a finals appearance ?