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2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm

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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#361 » by Knightro » Fri Mar 7, 2025 9:53 am

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eyriq wrote:I really want to know what killed chemistry.


The answer is multi-layered, but one of the layers probably isn’t one you really want to hear.
I am accepting of all reasonable explanations


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For all intents and purposes, Suggs went out for the season on January 3 (I know he came back for 13 minutes of one additional game) and Paolo returned for the season on January 10. Pretty much right on top of each other.

You do the math.

For as talented as he can be individually on offense, Paolo is equally lazy and disinterested in giving any sort of consistent effort as a defender and as a rebounder.

And without Suggs’ maniacal effort and energy level on the floor as a counterbalance, the rest of the team has taken on the personality of who they consider to be their best player which is Paolo.

Even Franz, who is very obviously a better all-around player that Paolo, has on the record stated that Paolo is the alpha dog of the team. Everyone considers him to be the guy whether he actually is or not.

Now…

This isn’t to say things are *entirely* on Mosley or Paolo because they’re obviously not.

Weltman built a roster that is simply not good enough from a shooting and playmaking perspective - and included in that are Paolo and Franz’s own limitations as both shooters and facilitators - to overcome such an obvious downturn on defense, on the glass, and purely when it comes to energy and effort.

To summarize…

1. The roster construction overall combined with the decision to put all the scoring *and* playmaking into two forward’s hands almost assures a difficult to consistently succeed offense. Mosley’s own shortcomings and limitations as an offensive coach also play a factor here.

2. The defense, rebounding and effort have to be elite to overcome the first point. If you don’t have a good offense, but still want to win, you need to be a really high end team in other facets of the game. The Magic were that last year and over the first 30ish games of this year.

3. Paolo doesn’t provide consistently good enough effort on defense or on the glass. And I don’t think it’s unfair to say that he’s generally speaking a low effort player as well when it comes to anything that is not trying to score the basketball.

4. Without Suggs, the rest of the team has followed Paolo’s lead instead of Suggs’ lead on defense and from an energy perspective and we’ve seen a noticeable downtick in those areas. Combine those downticks with an already hard to succeed offense due to Weltman’s failures and that leads to the miserable play we’ve seen for pretty much the last two months.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#362 » by basketballRob » Fri Mar 7, 2025 10:19 am

They should sit KCP for the rest of the season. He was running around on one leg at the end of the game, and he was BBQ for Coby White.

We were up by 7 in the 3rd quarter when I went to sleep. I just watched the second half. It did almost look like we were making tank moves at the end. They brought in Caleb with 6 minutes left.

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Post#363 » by basketballRob » Fri Mar 7, 2025 10:38 am

pepe1991 wrote:So now even Banchero's father is posting "terrible...again" on twitter... lol
I really think something else is going on with this team, inside lockerroom.
I'm not sure if Mosely lost the team, but he lost Paolo’s parents.

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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#364 » by I Rasharted » Fri Mar 7, 2025 10:50 am

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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#365 » by Optimus_Steel » Fri Mar 7, 2025 10:58 am

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Man, i can't even..........




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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#367 » by drsd » Fri Mar 7, 2025 12:01 pm

AR86 wrote:0-3 vs TOR/TOR/CHI at home
Just SHAME

Last time i had the same feelings in T-Mac era and 1-19 record.


Orlando went 1-6 in its 7-game homestand. Now comes five road games. The wheels came off of the car here. No take backs.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#368 » by drsd » Fri Mar 7, 2025 12:01 pm

Nice interview game for White. Anthony and a FRP should be useful to extract him. Except: will Chicago ever make a trade with Orlando ever again ???
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#369 » by Blue_and_Whte » Fri Mar 7, 2025 12:05 pm

They hit more threes than us. We can’t get into our sets. No 3 pt shooters no pg, it’s Not rocket science. Nice audition from White though.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#370 » by drsd » Fri Mar 7, 2025 12:06 pm

Box score thoughts:

Orlando lost the FG% battle and lost the game.

In the end, Chicago made more three's than the Magic made FTs. That's basically all the box-score says.

A bit more on those FTs though. 34-40 is beyond outstanding. The 34 is the second most made this season, behind only the first Raptors game earlier this month.

Reflection: how does a team make 30+ FTs and lose?
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#371 » by Blue_and_Whte » Fri Mar 7, 2025 12:12 pm

drsd wrote:Box score thoughts:

Orlando lost the FG% battle and lost the game.

In the end, Chicago made more three's than the Magic made FTs. That's basically all the box-score says.

A bit more on those FTs though. 34-40 is beyond outstanding. The 34 is the second most made this season, behind only the first Raptors game earlier this month.

Reflection: how does a team make 30+ FTs and lose?

Tell you what, I’d take Giddy, over every single fake pg we have this team right now.
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Post#372 » by RichCollab » Fri Mar 7, 2025 12:16 pm

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Post#373 » by Skybox » Fri Mar 7, 2025 12:27 pm

SHAQ32 wrote:Goga hasn't played well at all since coming back. Although his minutes are down in favor of **** WCJ.


I don't get it...Goga's never been a big deal off the bench, but whenever called on to start, he's been a factor. I don't know what he did to rot on the bench. WCJ was feasting early (like he should against a tiny team) but Goga could have too.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#374 » by SloNick Russia » Fri Mar 7, 2025 12:38 pm

In a game when role players finally had something going Franz and Paolo did below average production which resulted in a loss.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#375 » by Bergmaniac » Fri Mar 7, 2025 12:54 pm

This 3 game stretch got to be one of the most frustrating ones in Magic's history, 3 very close losses at home to bad teams. This one feels the worst one though, we should have steamrolled a short-handed Bulls teams which had no size to deal with our offense and no rim protection and had to resort to constant fouls on Paolo and Franz's drives. We had KCP shooting very well and even making some 3s, Wendell made 2 threes (wonder of wonders), Black was 2/3 from 3 too...yet we still lost because the defence, especially in transition, was awful, and the offense inexplicably collapsed down the stretch against a Bulls lineup without a centre or any real rim protection. Scoring only 5 points in the last 5 minutes was just shameful.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#376 » by VFX » Fri Mar 7, 2025 1:06 pm

Glad I skipped this game.

Because I just knew they would lose it. In simple terms, this team is poorly constructed.

You can’t function in today’s league with this poor of a back court. Suggs being out ensures poor defense and limited outside production. The entire team shouldn’t fall apart without one player.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#377 » by BlueBalls » Fri Mar 7, 2025 1:11 pm

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FFBlitzace wrote:This is a low point in franchise history right now, I don't think it's dramatic to say that. Perhaps not *the* low point, but *a* low point.

There's no hiding for Weltman now. He has to do something, he literally has no choice. But beyond whatever roster changes occur in the offseason, we need to see some kind of character from these guys. They're young and I will allow them to be imperfect and experience downs as well as ups. But starting next season, this kind of thing can't happen again. Paolo and Franz as a duo need to be good enough to not allow the team to do what we have just done on this homestand.
I'm not going to pretend to understand what is happening right now with these one possession losses piling up against tanking teams. I'm at a loss, something has gone wrong with chemistry and culture and it seems to have happened while trying to reintegrate Paolo.

My inability to explain this funk aside though, I don't think this is a low point. The injuries explain most of our performance issues and the cap sheet explains the rest. We are in the last year of the player development phase and this season wasn't about this season.

If I'm Weltman I definitely revisit "the plan" and re-tool around Paolo and Franz. I listen to the stars on Mosley, though I wouldn't be in a hurry to fire him. If I'm ownership I let Weltman continue.


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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#378 » by three3d » Fri Mar 7, 2025 1:30 pm

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I also suspect there are some Goga issues with someone, some Cole issues as well, and maybe even some KCP issues.



I agree with the Goga part, just look at his stats right before Paolo came back. Goga was playing really good, one game after Paolo’s return is the game Goga went nuts on his way to the locker room trying to rip his jersey. Then somehow Goga wound up with a mysterious concussion right after that. Purely speculation but if you’re mad enough to try ripping your jersey you’d also be mad enough to bang your head on a wall perhaps. WCJ is Paolo’s boy, there is probably a lot going in we don’t see.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#379 » by drsd » Fri Mar 7, 2025 1:58 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:This 3 game stretch got to be one of the most frustrating ones in Magic's history, 3 very close losses at home to bad teams. This one feels the worst one though, we should have steamrolled a short-handed Bulls teams which had no size to deal with our offense and no rim protection and had to resort to constant fouls on Paolo and Franz's drives. We had KCP shooting very well and even making some 3s, Wendell made 2 threes (wonder of wonders), Black was 2/3 from 3 too...yet we still lost because the defence, especially in transition, was awful, and the offense inexplicably collapsed down the stretch against a Bulls lineup without a centre or any real rim protection. Scoring only 5 points in the last 5 minutes was just shameful.


There is no sugar coating how bad these losses feel individually! Collectively, it actually hurts less as the pater in so clear: the Magic need three-point shooters on the roster. WePark has an easy job in assessing the rosters failures.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 64: Chicago Bulls (24-38) at Orlando Magic (29-34) - 7pm 

Post#380 » by 89Magicfan » Fri Mar 7, 2025 2:18 pm

three3d wrote:
eyriq wrote:
I also suspect there are some Goga issues with someone, some Cole issues as well, and maybe even some KCP issues.



I agree with the Goga part, just look at his stats right before Paolo came back. Goga was playing really good, one game after Paolo’s return is the game Goga went nuts on his way to the locker room trying to rip his jersey. Then somehow Goga wound up with a mysterious concussion right after that. Purely speculation but if you’re mad enough to try ripping your jersey you’d also be mad enough to bang your head on a wall perhaps. WCJ is Paolo’s boy, there is probably a lot going in we don’t see.


The best this team looked was last year with a lineup of AB/Suggs/Franz/Paolo/Goga. There was a chemistry there. I don’t know if the stats back that up but it was our longest winning streak and watching them was a beautiful sight. I believe everyone knew their roles and played them to a T.

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