2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0

[thelead]

Food for thought on Jase...

Dating back to 02-03 which is as far back as the Basketball Reference Database goes on this stat, Jase Richardson had the 15th best freshman season according to BPM and the 3rd best freshman among guards in the entire database (minimum 20 games played).

1. Zion Williamson 20.1 - 1st overall pick in 2019
2. Anthony Davis 17.2 - 1st overall pick in 2012
3. Cooper Flagg 16.3 - 1st overall pick in 2025
4. Chet Holmgren 15.0 - 2nd overall pick in 2022
5. Karl-Anthony Towns 14.3 - 1st overall pick in 2015
6. Evan Mobley 13.7 - 3rd overall pick in 2021
7. Nerlens Noel 12.1 - 6th overall pick in 2013 (likely would have gone first had he not torn his ACL)
8. Brandon Miller 12.0 - 2nd overall pick in 2023
9. Lonzo Ball 12.0 - 2nd overall pick in 2017
10. Joel Embiid 11.9 - 3rd overall pick in 2014
11. D'Angelo Russell 11.9 - 2nd overall pick in 2015
12. Cody Zeller 11.7 - didn't declare, 4th overall pick in 2013 after sophomore year
13. Jaren Jackson Jr. 11.7 - 4th overall pick in 2018
14. Onyeka Okongwu 11.6 - 6th overall pick in 2020
15. Jase Richardson 11.6 - TBD

Getting a guy with that statistical profile at 25 feels like it would be a bit unprecedented.

IMO, it is HIGHLY unlikely that he falls to 25.

[cedric76]

Food for thought on Jase...

Dating back to 02-03 which is as far back as the Basketball Reference Database goes on this stat, Jase Richardson had the 15th best freshman season according to BPM and the 3rd best freshman among guards in the entire database (minimum 20 games played).

1. Zion Williamson 20.1 - 1st overall pick in 2019
2. Anthony Davis 17.2 - 1st overall pick in 2012
3. Cooper Flagg 16.3 - 1st overall pick in 2025
4. Chet Holmgren 15.0 - 2nd overall pick in 2022
5. Karl-Anthony Towns 14.3 - 1st overall pick in 2015
6. Evan Mobley 13.7 - 3rd overall pick in 2021
7. Nerlens Noel 12.1 - 6th overall pick in 2013 (likely would have gone first had he not torn his ACL)
8. Brandon Miller 12.0 - 2nd overall pick in 2023
9. Lonzo Ball 12.0 - 2nd overall pick in 2017
10. Joel Embiid 11.9 - 3rd overall pick in 2014
11. D'Angelo Russell 11.9 - 2nd overall pick in 2015
12. Cody Zeller 11.7 - didn't declare, 4th overall pick in 2013 after sophomore year
13. Jaren Jackson Jr. 11.7 - 4th overall pick in 2018
14. Onyeka Okongwu 11.6 - 6th overall pick in 2020
15. Jase Richardson 11.6 - TBD

Getting a guy with that statistical profile at 25 feels like it would be a bit unprecedented.

A steal at #25, with measurements similar to Collin sexton, a nice 9/10th man

[RichCollab]

Food for thought on Jase...

Dating back to 02-03 which is as far back as the Basketball Reference Database goes on this stat, Jase Richardson had the 15th best freshman season according to BPM and the 3rd best freshman among guards in the entire database (minimum 20 games played).

1. Zion Williamson 20.1 - 1st overall pick in 2019
2. Anthony Davis 17.2 - 1st overall pick in 2012
3. Cooper Flagg 16.3 - 1st overall pick in 2025
4. Chet Holmgren 15.0 - 2nd overall pick in 2022
5. Karl-Anthony Towns 14.3 - 1st overall pick in 2015
6. Evan Mobley 13.7 - 3rd overall pick in 2021
7. Nerlens Noel 12.1 - 6th overall pick in 2013 (likely would have gone first had he not torn his ACL)
8. Brandon Miller 12.0 - 2nd overall pick in 2023
9. Lonzo Ball 12.0 - 2nd overall pick in 2017
10. Joel Embiid 11.9 - 3rd overall pick in 2014
11. D'Angelo Russell 11.9 - 2nd overall pick in 2015
12. Cody Zeller 11.7 - didn't declare, 4th overall pick in 2013 after sophomore year
13. Jaren Jackson Jr. 11.7 - 4th overall pick in 2018
14. Onyeka Okongwu 11.6 - 6th overall pick in 2020
15. Jase Richardson 11.6 - TBD

Getting a guy with that statistical profile at 25 feels like it would be a bit unprecedented.

He is still 6 ft tall. I don’t care if his daddy is Superman.

[fendilim]

Food for thought on Jase...

Dating back to 02-03 which is as far back as the Basketball Reference Database goes on this stat, Jase Richardson had the 15th best freshman season according to BPM and the 3rd best freshman among guards in the entire database (minimum 20 games played).

1. Zion Williamson 20.1 - 1st overall pick in 2019
2. Anthony Davis 17.2 - 1st overall pick in 2012
3. Cooper Flagg 16.3 - 1st overall pick in 2025
4. Chet Holmgren 15.0 - 2nd overall pick in 2022
5. Karl-Anthony Towns 14.3 - 1st overall pick in 2015
6. Evan Mobley 13.7 - 3rd overall pick in 2021
7. Nerlens Noel 12.1 - 6th overall pick in 2013 (likely would have gone first had he not torn his ACL)
8. Brandon Miller 12.0 - 2nd overall pick in 2023
9. Lonzo Ball 12.0 - 2nd overall pick in 2017
10. Joel Embiid 11.9 - 3rd overall pick in 2014
11. D'Angelo Russell 11.9 - 2nd overall pick in 2015
12. Cody Zeller 11.7 - didn't declare, 4th overall pick in 2013 after sophomore year
13. Jaren Jackson Jr. 11.7 - 4th overall pick in 2018
14. Onyeka Okongwu 11.6 - 6th overall pick in 2020
15. Jase Richardson 11.6 - TBD

Getting a guy with that statistical profile at 25 feels like it would be a bit unprecedented.

A steal at #25, with measurements similar to Collin sexton, a nice 9/10th man

True, but Collin’s motor makes him “taller” than what Collin’s height suggests.

[Magic_Johnny12]

I would bet a lot of money if both Raynaud and Richardson are still on the board at 25, that the Magic will happily and without much hesitation pick Maxime imo.

Hes older, has a better shooting profile, not a defender but has the length to not be a complete liability in a good defensive system. Underrated passer and just had one of the most efficient seasons in Stanford history. Could actually replace Mo as a scoring big off the bench if that day ever came.

However, I think Orlando is in decent shape at 25. We can hope a big time upside player falls to them like Fleming or just go safe and pick 1 of the 2 small guards left in Jase or WCJ.

They could also look at a big man here, Raynaud/Kalkbrenner or if Newell drops you might have to consider him here.

All good scenarios unless someone unexpectedly starts failing that no one envisioned.

[fendilim]

Fleming or Jase for me.


I would very much prefer to draft a big at 25. But if either of the two above is available, hard to pass up.

Imo, if we draft a guard at 25, we’d need to sign a big in FA. And might still have to sign another guard, cause I doubt we’d be able to draft someone who can be a motor for our bench unit.

If we draft a big, we can trade goga for a guard ready to contribute.

Its much harder to be a rookie PG in the NBA than a rookie big, imo.

[Idiosyncratic]

I don't think Jase is going to be Sexton/Simons level bad on defense to where he is totally useless in even contesting shots to the point where it is nearly physical impossible to even accidentally get a block like it is for those guys. His effort is good, his arms are pretty long, he won't end up as physically overwhelmed as those guys on defense IMO. Like Simons for instance isn't always lost on defense, but he is so bothered by strength that it doesn't even matter. Not saying I think Jase will end up a positive on that end, but I think he will just be your typical below average defender, sometimes gets stuck in a bad matchup in the post and it's a bucket, but otherwise tries and holds his own. I would say like Cole, but I think he should be able to be a bit better than that.

The issue with taking Jase high on top of minimal defensive projection is that I am not sure he showed the speed or handle necessary to consistently offset his height and enable him to consistently get his shot and be the offensive threat you need to be in order to stick at that size. Also worry the shot release could be a tad slow, which is another thing that would make him more of an off-ball player. That being said at 25, it is hard to nitpick in that fashion. I think you just take him, though I really do not expect him to be there.

Accurate shooter with excellent form, incredible feel for the game, crafty assortment of moves and excellent rim finishing numbers. All as a freshman. One of my favorite players to watch as a fan of guys who just exude IQ and constantly make the right play.

[Knightro]

More Jase numbers courtesy of Hoop Intellect

.457 on catch-and-shoot 3PT (37/81)
.415 on "guarded" 3PT (17/41)
.500 on wide open 3PT (20/40)
.462 on 3PT off screens (6/13)
.444 on 3PT in transition (8/18)

.688 at the rim total (64/93)
.638 at the rim halfcourt (37/58)
.771 at the rim transition (27/35)

.475 on midrange jumpers (19/40)

.463 as pick and roll ball handler (31/67)

NCAA Freshmen with a TS% of 60%+, A/TO ratio of 2+ and BPM of 7+: Lonzo Ball, Reed Sheppard, Landry Shamet, Kon Knueppel and Jase Richardson

.294 on off-the-dribble threes (10/34)
1.9 APG and 14.4 AST%

[MartinsIzAfraud]

More Jase numbers courtesy of Hoop Intellect

.457 on catch-and-shoot 3PT (37/81)
.415 on "guarded" 3PT (17/41)
.500 on wide open 3PT (20/40)
.462 on 3PT off screens (6/13)
.444 on 3PT in transition (8/18)

.688 at the rim total (64/93)
.638 at the rim halfcourt (37/58)
.771 at the rim transition (27/35)

.475 on midrange jumpers (19/40)

.463 as pick and roll ball handler (31/67)

NCAA Freshmen with a TS% of 60%+, A/TO ratio of 2+ and BPM of 7+: Lonzo Ball, Reed Sheppard, Landry Shamet, Kon Knueppel and Jase Richardson

.294 on off-the-dribble threes (10/34)
1.9 APG and 14.4 AST%

For a Forward centric offense those numbers would be scary in Orlando. He’d instantly be our top shooter outside of Bane.

[The Effect]

Food for thought on Jase...

Dating back to 02-03 which is as far back as the Basketball Reference Database goes on this stat, Jase Richardson had the 15th best freshman season according to BPM and the 3rd best freshman among guards in the entire database (minimum 20 games played).

1. Zion Williamson 20.1 - 1st overall pick in 2019
2. Anthony Davis 17.2 - 1st overall pick in 2012
3. Cooper Flagg 16.3 - 1st overall pick in 2025
4. Chet Holmgren 15.0 - 2nd overall pick in 2022
5. Karl-Anthony Towns 14.3 - 1st overall pick in 2015
6. Evan Mobley 13.7 - 3rd overall pick in 2021
7. Nerlens Noel 12.1 - 6th overall pick in 2013 (likely would have gone first had he not torn his ACL)
8. Brandon Miller 12.0 - 2nd overall pick in 2023
9. Lonzo Ball 12.0 - 2nd overall pick in 2017
10. Joel Embiid 11.9 - 3rd overall pick in 2014
11. D'Angelo Russell 11.9 - 2nd overall pick in 2015
12. Cody Zeller 11.7 - didn't declare, 4th overall pick in 2013 after sophomore year
13. Jaren Jackson Jr. 11.7 - 4th overall pick in 2018
14. Onyeka Okongwu 11.6 - 6th overall pick in 2020
15. Jase Richardson 11.6 - TBD

Getting a guy with that statistical profile at 25 feels like it would be a bit unprecedented.

He is still 6 ft tall. I don’t care if his daddy is Superman.

I mean........I do?
If you have the son of superman, then you have to assume he has superhuman powers (maybe he hasnt discovered them yet?) and if so, size doesnt matter at that point

Might need someone at amway to research this, cause if he is Clark kent jr, might have to draft him regardless of size!

[The Effect]

Fleming or Jase for me.


I would very much prefer to draft a big at 25. But if either of the two above is available, hard to pass up.

Imo, if we draft a guard at 25, we’d need to sign a big in FA. And might still have to sign another guard, cause I doubt we’d be able to draft someone who can be a motor for our bench unit.

If we draft a big, we can trade goga for a guard ready to contribute.

Its much harder to be a rookie PG in the NBA than a rookie big, imo.

Whats the hype on Flemming?

I mean i get he does some things very well, but the guy has no handles, like at all. Hes not doing much in the nba on offense except catch lobs or shooting open threes. Hes basically Jonathan Isaac on offense, which is just not good

[Knightro]

Whats the hype on Flemming?

I mean i get he does some things very well, but the guy has no handles, like at all. Hes not doing much in the nba on offense except catch lobs or shooting open threes. Hes basically Jonathan Isaac on offense, which is just not good

If Isaac made 39% of his three pointers, no one would want to get rid of him

[Skybox]

Ryan Nembhard is climbing my list after watching his brother do big things for Indy.

I'd absolutely jump on that if he's there at #57...

LOL

Ryan is another just 6’ guard.

LOL I know...

His wingspan is 2" beyond Bane's ...he's among the most efficient finishers at the rim in NCAA - that means he knows how to use every inch of it. He's also 19yo...imagine drafting him at #25 and he grows 2"

[outlawmarx]

More Jase numbers courtesy of Hoop Intellect

.457 on catch-and-shoot 3PT (37/81)
.415 on "guarded" 3PT (17/41)
.500 on wide open 3PT (20/40)
.462 on 3PT off screens (6/13)
.444 on 3PT in transition (8/18)

.688 at the rim total (64/93)
.638 at the rim halfcourt (37/58)
.771 at the rim transition (27/35)

.475 on midrange jumpers (19/40)

.463 as pick and roll ball handler (31/67)

NCAA Freshmen with a TS% of 60%+, A/TO ratio of 2+ and BPM of 7+: Lonzo Ball, Reed Sheppard, Landry Shamet, Kon Knueppel and Jase Richardson

.294 on off-the-dribble threes (10/34)
1.9 APG and 14.4 AST%

Holly cow? How's he on the defense? Those are "braided Cole" numbers, right?

[MMFla]

So if available the guys I think the FO would take is Wolf, WCJ then Jase but the guy who intrigues me the most at 25 is Yang, he is my sleeper pick but I'd be happy with any of these guys.

[cedric76]

More Jase numbers courtesy of Hoop Intellect

.457 on catch-and-shoot 3PT (37/81)
.415 on "guarded" 3PT (17/41)
.500 on wide open 3PT (20/40)
.462 on 3PT off screens (6/13)
.444 on 3PT in transition (8/18)

.688 at the rim total (64/93)
.638 at the rim halfcourt (37/58)
.771 at the rim transition (27/35)

.475 on midrange jumpers (19/40)

.463 as pick and roll ball handler (31/67)

NCAA Freshmen with a TS% of 60%+, A/TO ratio of 2+ and BPM of 7+: Lonzo Ball, Reed Sheppard, Landry Shamet, Kon Knueppel and Jase Richardson

.294 on off-the-dribble threes (10/34)
1.9 APG and 14.4 AST%

Holly cow? How's he on the defense? Those are "braided Cole" numbers, right?

very good for his size, he tries hard, but he is still short

[Knightro]

Holly cow? How's he on the defense? Those are "braided Cole" numbers, right?

I mean... he's small.

6'0" 1/2 barefoot. Only 178 pounds.

Wingspan is very good for his height, 6'6" wingspan, but realistically he's very likely going to be a one position defender. If he works hard at it and builds his body, he can hopefully be just a run of the mill slightly negative defender.

What you're hoping for is that he's not bottom of the league bad because if you're absolutely awful defensively, you have to be a 90-95 percentile offensive player to make up for it like a Jalen Brunson or Trae Young and I don't think Richardson has that kind of talent offensively.

But if he can just be regular ole below average defensively, he should be fine.

[cedric76]

Holly cow? How's he on the defense? Those are "braided Cole" numbers, right?

I mean... he's small.

6'0" 1/2 barefoot. Only 178 pounds.

Wingspan is very good for his height, 6'6" wingspan, but realistically he's very likely going to be a one position defender. If he works hard at it and builds his body, he can hopefully be just a run of the mill slightly negative defender.

What you're hoping for is that he's not bottom of the league bad because if you're absolutely awful defensively, you have to be a 90-95 percentile offensive player to make up for it like a Jalen Brunson or Trae Young and I don't think Richardson has that kind of talent offensively.

But if he can just be regular ole below average defensively, he should be fine.

We cant forget that it s the 25th pick we are talking about, a 9/10th man at best, so it s not bad

[basketballRob]

I'd absolutely jump on that if he's there at #57...

LOL

Ryan is another just 6’ guard.

LOL I know...

His wingspan is 2" beyond Bane's ...he's among the most efficient finishers at the rim in NCAA - that means he knows how to use every inch of it. He's also 19yo...imagine drafting him at #25 and he grows 2"

He's not going to get bigger.

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[Skybox]

LOL

Ryan is another just 6’ guard.

LOL I know...

His wingspan is 2" beyond Bane's ...he's among the most efficient finishers at the rim in NCAA - that means he knows how to use every inch of it. He's also 19yo...imagine drafting him at #25 and he grows 2"

He's not going to get bigger.

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Once again, your certainty about things you know absolutely nothing about is impressive.

I grew 6" in college