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The Magic have all of their own first round picks. They have the Denver pick in 2025. They have the right to swap with Phoenix in 2026.
They have plenty of assets that teams are looking for in terms of draft capital. If anyone is interested, they have multiple guys who are young and still on their rookie contracts. They have expiring contracts.
Making a trade that really helps the team shouldn't be all that difficult.
They have plenty of assets that teams are looking for in terms of draft capital. If anyone is interested, they have multiple guys who are young and still on their rookie contracts. They have expiring contracts.
Making a trade that really helps the team shouldn't be all that difficult.
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Knightro wrote:The Magic have all of their own first round picks. They have the Denver pick in 2025. They have the right to swap with Phoenix in 2026.
They have plenty of assets that teams are looking for in terms of draft capital. If anyone is interested, they have multiple guys who are young and still on their rookie contracts. They have expiring contracts.
Making a trade that really helps the team shouldn't be all that difficult.
Portland can’t have a much of a ridiculous asking price for Simons. They are locked in with Scoot and Sharp and I believe Simons will now be on the last year of his contract.
Chicago on the other hand with Coby White being a starter clearly playing so good down towards the end of the season could have driven his price up.
Portland is in a much different spot than Chicago so they might have backed themselves into a corner with Simons
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Knightro wrote:The Magic have all of their own first round picks. They have the Denver pick in 2025. They have the right to swap with Phoenix in 2026.
They have plenty of assets that teams are looking for in terms of draft capital. If anyone is interested, they have multiple guys who are young and still on their rookie contracts. They have expiring contracts.
Making a trade that really helps the team shouldn't be all that difficult.
I don't disagree, but if Weltman is being a stubborn douchebag and not prepared to part with assets because "They know we're trying to get a guy", we're stuck. None of the guys on extensions are clear positive trade values. I'm prepared to accept that some of the draft equity will have to account for that...I hope Weltman is. Nobody is chasing Cole or Isaac or Wendell, given their deals. KCP is a solid player, but at $22m per, it's not a no-brainer to give up something younger and good to get him.
I really like KCP to NOLA to ultimately pair with Dejounte in a long, fire-breathing, complementary backcourt that also suits their wings and their incoming high draft pick. They could take Cole's expiring as salary match and as a tank commander stand-in while DJM is healing up and give us CJ. Because they overpaid CJ and then traded for DJM, KCP's bloated salary looks much better.
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Skybox wrote:Knightro wrote:The Magic have all of their own first round picks. They have the Denver pick in 2025. They have the right to swap with Phoenix in 2026.
They have plenty of assets that teams are looking for in terms of draft capital. If anyone is interested, they have multiple guys who are young and still on their rookie contracts. They have expiring contracts.
Making a trade that really helps the team shouldn't be all that difficult.
I don't disagree, but if Weltman is being a stubborn douchebag and not prepared to part with assets because "They know we're trying to get a guy", we're stuck. None of the guys on extensions are clear positive trade values. I'm prepared to accept that some of the draft equity will have to account for that...I hope Weltman is. Nobody is chasing Cole or Isaac or Wendell, given their deals. KCP is a solid player, but at $22m per, it's not a no-brainer to give up something younger and good to get him.
I really like KCP to NOLA to ultimately pair with Dejounte in a long, fire-breathing, complementary backcourt that also suits their wings and their incoming high draft pick. They could take Cole's expiring as salary match and as a tank commander stand-in while DJM is healing up and give us CJ. Because they overpaid CJ and then traded for DJM, KCP's bloated salary looks much better.
which is where AB comes into play unfortunately. I've said it since the all-star break, he is likely the ONLY attractive asset that we have outside of picks that could get us something better. I also have to think NBA GM's aren't as negative on KCP as we are but the $$ could be a little issue and if he does get traded it would likely just be a re shuffle of the chairs on the titanic.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. 

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Knightro wrote:The play IMO is using some combination of Cole, Jett, Harris, Da Silva and multiple first round picks to acquire a lead guard. Once that's done, then you can focus on upgrading the center spot overall.
Starters: Lead Guard, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, Center
Backups: Black, KCP, Houstan, Isaac, Center
I agree and i think WCJ at center will be fine depending on the lead guard we get
Also, we do not want to pay crazy money for a Lead Guard so this is why i think Colin sexton makes so much sense
White will be too expensing to get
Simons doesnt play defense
Colin tick all the boxes
and because he is expiring next season i m pretty sure a FRP + decent player would be enough to get him
Cole + Harris + Orl 2025 FRP OR cole + Jett + Den FRP should do the job
Starters: Sexton, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, WCJ
Backups: Black, KCP, TDS/Houstan, Isaac, Moe/Goga
Suggs, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, Jett
Franz, TDS,
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
Bane, AB, Jett
Franz, TDS,
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Skybox wrote:Knightro wrote:The Magic have all of their own first round picks. They have the Denver pick in 2025. They have the right to swap with Phoenix in 2026.
They have plenty of assets that teams are looking for in terms of draft capital. If anyone is interested, they have multiple guys who are young and still on their rookie contracts. They have expiring contracts.
Making a trade that really helps the team shouldn't be all that difficult.
I don't disagree, but if Weltman is being a stubborn douchebag and not prepared to part with assets because "They know we're trying to get a guy", we're stuck. None of the guys on extensions are clear positive trade values. I'm prepared to accept that some of the draft equity will have to account for that...I hope Weltman is. Nobody is chasing Cole or Isaac or Wendell, given their deals. KCP is a solid player, but at $22m per, it's not a no-brainer to give up something younger and good to get him.
I really like KCP to NOLA to ultimately pair with Dejounte in a long, fire-breathing, complementary backcourt that also suits their wings and their incoming high draft pick. They could take Cole's expiring as salary match and as a tank commander stand-in while DJM is healing up and give us CJ. Because they overpaid CJ and then traded for DJM, KCP's bloated salary looks much better.
which is where AB comes into play unfortunately. I've said it since the all-star break, he is likely the ONLY attractive asset that we have outside of picks that could get us something better. I also have to think NBA GM's aren't as negative on KCP as we are but the $$ could be a little issue and if he does get traded it would likely just be a re shuffle of the chairs on the titanic.
This Summer AB and Paolo need to become gym buddies and spend the summer getting out of those baby bodies and putting muscle on. Some muscle and strength will help both of them tremendously. If AB could learn to run a P&R with Paolo that could be a nasty duo
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I'm all for a trade for a guy who can be a part of the core, my question is just who? I don't know who is clearly really good and available that is worthy of paying a haul for.
Guys like Simons/Sexton/Monk make sense, but they won't cost a ton in trade and it is debatable if they are starting PGs or 6th man combo types on an actual good team. Wouldn't be opposed to one don't get me wrong, but when I see people saying get a guard you can build system around or trade multiple picks for they don't fit that bill. These guys could maybe thrive on our team and be good fits worthy of extensions after the season (not Monk who is already under contract for a while). Maybe Coby White is still in this category as well.
Then there are the strictly vet one year plug-in types. Not ideal, but if someone worthy of paying up for isn't available then one of these guys and hoping a draft pick/ AB develop while reevaluating next year might have to be an option.
I just really struggle to see who is going to be available that clearly fits as a starter and is worth giving a haul for, but maybe I am missing someone. Because I agree someone like that would be ideal, I just don't know who it is.
Guys like Simons/Sexton/Monk make sense, but they won't cost a ton in trade and it is debatable if they are starting PGs or 6th man combo types on an actual good team. Wouldn't be opposed to one don't get me wrong, but when I see people saying get a guard you can build system around or trade multiple picks for they don't fit that bill. These guys could maybe thrive on our team and be good fits worthy of extensions after the season (not Monk who is already under contract for a while). Maybe Coby White is still in this category as well.
Then there are the strictly vet one year plug-in types. Not ideal, but if someone worthy of paying up for isn't available then one of these guys and hoping a draft pick/ AB develop while reevaluating next year might have to be an option.
I just really struggle to see who is going to be available that clearly fits as a starter and is worth giving a haul for, but maybe I am missing someone. Because I agree someone like that would be ideal, I just don't know who it is.
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Skybox wrote:Who’s the next Ty Jerome? Whose bench is he hidden on…waiting to get his shot?
Who could we trade for and hand the keys to? Who has a gear yet undiscovered?
I love Nembhard, but IND does too…even if as an accessory to Haliburton
Nikola Topic is a big time prospect but OKC is contending NOW
Tre Mann in Lamelo’s shadow…same for Nick Smith (AB’s college running mate)
TJ McConnell has been solid for a decade…could he do more?
Could Tyler Kolek be better and Thibs hates kids? Would NY prefer a higher floor/proven vet like CoJo for immediate safe minutes?
Is Davion Mitchell ready for a breakout? Does MIA not see it?
Any way to steal Jared McCain while PHI is spinning out over Embiid & George? Is he too much like Maxey to pair with him?
If WAS gets Harper is AJ Johnson the forgotten one after Bub? (Take a look at AJ…crazy athlete)
Is Monte Morris ready to be discovered again? What happened to Micic?
You know the great orgs like SAS and OKC KNOW what they have but who is SAC or CHA or PHX or WAS sleeping on? Who is DEN or NY or MIL reluctant to play because they only trust vets?
We need to unearth our own Ty Jerome rather than overpay for a proven solid guy that doesn’t have any room for growth- like we did with KCP. Simons and McCollum have always had a PG in-house, are they ready to display more playmaking?
I wish I had faith that Weltman could see something other GMs don’t, select a target and pay what feels like too much - only to unveil a stud who was underutilized or miscast…but I don’t. Maybe the Fultz experiment scared him. Maybe the CoJo experiment will give him some confidence to take another bigger swing.
I do love this kind of thinking, but given how putrid the offense is I feel they need someone more proven right now. They probably should have taken more shots on these types of guys the last couple of years instead of spamming Fultz, Cole and Gary. Still could get a guy like this for the bench though.
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A super bandaid move, if we want to start a bandaid approach to the 6th man role, is to acquire Jordan Clarkson. This gives Jett or another rookie more time to develop into the role himself.
The biggest priority however is to make a decision on the AB/Suggs backcourt. Is this the fit?
The biggest priority however is to make a decision on the AB/Suggs backcourt. Is this the fit?
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eyriq wrote:A super bandaid move, if we want to start a bandaid approach to the 6th man role, is to acquire Jordan Clarkson. This gives Jett or another rookie more time to develop into the role himself.
The biggest priority however is to make a decision on the AB/Suggs backcourt. Is this the fit?
I think they should be thinking bigger than Black/Suggs as the backcourt.
Black is a big enough and quick enough to defend multiple positions which means he'll always have the ability to find 20-30 MPG off the bench defending 1s, 2s and some 3s.
What the Magic need is a guard who can give them 30 minutes a night as a starter on the basketball. Suggs can give them another 30 minutes a night as a 3&D maniac starter at the 2.
And then between Black and KCP who are both plus defensively and (theoretically) can also shoot threes, they can cover 25 MPG apiece as backups as the 1/2 and 2/3.
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My ideal scenario for next year...
Turn some combination of Cole, Gary, Jett and multiple picks into a starting PG.
9-man rotation
New PG, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, Carter
Black, KCP, Houstan, Isaac
If you want to go 10 easily slot Goga in as put Isaac at PF. Then you have Mortiz almost like a deadline acquisition who can provide a scoring punch whenever he's ready to return.
Turn some combination of Cole, Gary, Jett and multiple picks into a starting PG.
9-man rotation
New PG, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, Carter
Black, KCP, Houstan, Isaac
If you want to go 10 easily slot Goga in as put Isaac at PF. Then you have Mortiz almost like a deadline acquisition who can provide a scoring punch whenever he's ready to return.
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MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Skybox wrote:Knightro wrote:The Magic have all of their own first round picks. They have the Denver pick in 2025. They have the right to swap with Phoenix in 2026.
They have plenty of assets that teams are looking for in terms of draft capital. If anyone is interested, they have multiple guys who are young and still on their rookie contracts. They have expiring contracts.
Making a trade that really helps the team shouldn't be all that difficult.
I don't disagree, but if Weltman is being a stubborn douchebag and not prepared to part with assets because "They know we're trying to get a guy", we're stuck. None of the guys on extensions are clear positive trade values. I'm prepared to accept that some of the draft equity will have to account for that...I hope Weltman is. Nobody is chasing Cole or Isaac or Wendell, given their deals. KCP is a solid player, but at $22m per, it's not a no-brainer to give up something younger and good to get him.
I really like KCP to NOLA to ultimately pair with Dejounte in a long, fire-breathing, complementary backcourt that also suits their wings and their incoming high draft pick. They could take Cole's expiring as salary match and as a tank commander stand-in while DJM is healing up and give us CJ. Because they overpaid CJ and then traded for DJM, KCP's bloated salary looks much better.
which is where AB comes into play unfortunately. I've said it since the all-star break, he is likely the ONLY attractive asset that we have outside of picks that could get us something better. I also have to think NBA GM's aren't as negative on KCP as we are but the $$ could be a little issue and if he does get traded it would likely just be a re shuffle of the chairs on the titanic.
Yeah...KCP is a really solid finishing piece on a good team...just not a good fit here and the $$$$ is really the only limiting factor, imo.
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Skybox wrote:Who’s the next Ty Jerome? Whose bench is he hidden on…waiting to get his shot?
Who could we trade for and hand the keys to? Who has a gear yet undiscovered?
I love Nembhard, but IND does too…even if as an accessory to Haliburton
Nikola Topic is a big time prospect but OKC is contending NOW
Tre Mann in Lamelo’s shadow…same for Nick Smith (AB’s college running mate)
TJ McConnell has been solid for a decade…could he do more?
Could Tyler Kolek be better and Thibs hates kids? Would NY prefer a higher floor/proven vet like CoJo for immediate safe minutes?
Is Davion Mitchell ready for a breakout? Does MIA not see it?
Any way to steal Jared McCain while PHI is spinning out over Embiid & George? Is he too much like Maxey to pair with him?
If WAS gets Harper is AJ Johnson the forgotten one after Bub? (Take a look at AJ…crazy athlete)
Is Monte Morris ready to be discovered again? What happened to Micic?
You know the great orgs like SAS and OKC KNOW what they have but who is SAC or CHA or PHX or WAS sleeping on? Who is DEN or NY or MIL reluctant to play because they only trust vets?
We need to unearth our own Ty Jerome rather than overpay for a proven solid guy that doesn’t have any room for growth- like we did with KCP. Simons and McCollum have always had a PG in-house, are they ready to display more playmaking?
I wish I had faith that Weltman could see something other GMs don’t, select a target and pay what feels like too much - only to unveil a stud who was underutilized or miscast…but I don’t. Maybe the Fultz experiment scared him. Maybe the CoJo experiment will give him some confidence to take another bigger swing.
This is how Weltman should be approaching things.. SHOULD
Nembhard (25) - going to take a lot to pry him away from Indiana. They love him. Will cost AB and other stuff likely.
Topic (19) - I'd make OKC a good offer for him. Might cost too much. I like him better than any other PG on the board this year.
Mann (24) - worth a shot. No idea the level of value. Seems like solidly a "Cole" kind of backup at this point. Might be something there.
McConnell (33) - pass. Also, I dont think Indiana would move him. Too integral and steady to their rotations.
Kolek (24) - I'd give him a serious look. He's never going to play behind 3 point guards and I liked him in the draft.
Mitchell (24) - Worth a shot. He's been on three teams now in a short timeframe.
McCain (21) - forget it. Philly loves him. Would cost an arm and a leg for him.
Morris (30) - stopgap situation. Not a long term guy to build an offense. Would have been happy to have him 3 seasons ago before this contract.
Simons (25) - we know about him.
Other guys
Ayo (25) - With emerging Coby White I think Ayo is the more realistic target now. I dont see White getting moved after the numbers he's putting up.
AJ Johnson (20) - Wizards have too many cooks with Bub/AJ/Poole/Smart - If they land Harper I could see one of those guys being moved.
Bub Carrington (19) - Same as above.
Poole (25) - Same as above. People forget this guy is 25. I dont like him for reasons, but hes an option and from Michigan fwiw.
Reed Sheppard (20) - worth a shot. Isnt really doing anything in Houston. Getting no minutes in these last few games and could help Orlando.
Tyus Jones (28) - We have heard the arguments a million times now. Not a great defender. Older now. Great A/TO ball mover and playmaker.
Tre Jones (25) - Trade exception expires late June with the Bulls. Not sure where I rank him as a potential starter.
Miles Mcbride (24) - New York's roster is going to get expensive. Maybe they move him to avoid paying him in 2 seasons to make other moves.
Not happening:
Ty Jerome
Cason Wallace
Jared McCain
Coby White
Stephon Castle
Tyrese Maxey
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VFX wrote:Skybox wrote:Who’s the next Ty Jerome? Whose bench is he hidden on…waiting to get his shot?
Who could we trade for and hand the keys to? Who has a gear yet undiscovered?
I love Nembhard, but IND does too…even if as an accessory to Haliburton
Nikola Topic is a big time prospect but OKC is contending NOW
Tre Mann in Lamelo’s shadow…same for Nick Smith (AB’s college running mate)
TJ McConnell has been solid for a decade…could he do more?
Could Tyler Kolek be better and Thibs hates kids? Would NY prefer a higher floor/proven vet like CoJo for immediate safe minutes?
Is Davion Mitchell ready for a breakout? Does MIA not see it?
Any way to steal Jared McCain while PHI is spinning out over Embiid & George? Is he too much like Maxey to pair with him?
If WAS gets Harper is AJ Johnson the forgotten one after Bub? (Take a look at AJ…crazy athlete)
Is Monte Morris ready to be discovered again? What happened to Micic?
You know the great orgs like SAS and OKC KNOW what they have but who is SAC or CHA or PHX or WAS sleeping on? Who is DEN or NY or MIL reluctant to play because they only trust vets?
We need to unearth our own Ty Jerome rather than overpay for a proven solid guy that doesn’t have any room for growth- like we did with KCP. Simons and McCollum have always had a PG in-house, are they ready to display more playmaking?
I wish I had faith that Weltman could see something other GMs don’t, select a target and pay what feels like too much - only to unveil a stud who was underutilized or miscast…but I don’t. Maybe the Fultz experiment scared him. Maybe the CoJo experiment will give him some confidence to take another bigger swing.
This is how Weltman should be approaching things.. SHOULD
Nembhard (25) - going to take a lot to pry him away from Indiana. They love him. Will cost AB and other stuff likely.
Topic (19) - I'd make OKC a good offer for him. Might cost too much. I like him better than any other PG on the board this year.
Mann (24) - worth a shot. No idea the level of value. Seems like solidly a "Cole" kind of backup at this point. Might be something there.
McConnell (33) - pass. Also, I dont think Indiana would move him. Too integral and steady to their rotations.
Kolek (24) - I'd give him a serious look. He's never going to play behind 3 point guards and I liked him in the draft.
Mitchell (24) - Worth a shot. He's been on three teams now in a short timeframe.
McCain (21) - forget it. Philly loves him. Would cost an arm and a leg for him.
Morris (30) - stopgap situation. Not a long term guy to build an offense. Would have been happy to have him 3 seasons ago before this contract.
Simons (25) - we know about him.
Other guys
Ayo (25) - With emerging Coby White I think Ayo is the more realistic target now. I dont see White getting moved after the numbers he's putting up.
AJ Johnson (20) - Wizards have too many cooks with Bub/AJ/Poole/Smart - If they land Harper I could see one of those guys being moved.
Bub Carrington (19) - Same as above.
Poole (25) - Same as above. People forget this guy is 25. I dont like him for reasons, but hes an option and from Michigan fwiw.
Reed Sheppard (20) - worth a shot. Isnt really doing anything in Houston. Getting no minutes in these last few games and could help Orlando.
Tyus Jones (28) - We have heard the arguments a million times now. Not a great defender. Older now. Great A/TO ball mover and playmaker.
Tre Jones (25) - Trade exception expires late June with the Bulls. Not sure where I rank him as a potential starter.
Miles Mcbride (24) - New York's roster is going to get expensive. Maybe they move him to avoid paying him in 2 seasons to make other moves.
Not happening:
Ty Jerome
Cason Wallace
Jared McCain
Coby White
Stephon Castle
Tyrese Maxey
you forgot:
Grayson allen
colin sexton
Luke Kennard
Suggs, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, Jett
Franz, TDS,
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
Bane, AB, Jett
Franz, TDS,
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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three3d wrote:Knightro wrote:The Magic have all of their own first round picks. They have the Denver pick in 2025. They have the right to swap with Phoenix in 2026.
They have plenty of assets that teams are looking for in terms of draft capital. If anyone is interested, they have multiple guys who are young and still on their rookie contracts. They have expiring contracts.
Making a trade that really helps the team shouldn't be all that difficult.
Portland can’t have a much of a ridiculous asking price for Simons. They are locked in with Scoot and Sharp and I believe Simons will now be on the last year of his contract.
Chicago on the other hand with Coby White being a starter clearly playing so good down towards the end of the season could have driven his price up.
Portland is in a much different spot than Chicago so they might have backed themselves into a corner with Simons
It was alleged by one of the local TV sportscasters that it was like 2 1sts or 1st + good young player.
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VFX wrote:Skybox wrote:Who’s the next Ty Jerome? Whose bench is he hidden on…waiting to get his shot?
Who could we trade for and hand the keys to? Who has a gear yet undiscovered?
I love Nembhard, but IND does too…even if as an accessory to Haliburton
Nikola Topic is a big time prospect but OKC is contending NOW
Tre Mann in Lamelo’s shadow…same for Nick Smith (AB’s college running mate)
TJ McConnell has been solid for a decade…could he do more?
Could Tyler Kolek be better and Thibs hates kids? Would NY prefer a higher floor/proven vet like CoJo for immediate safe minutes?
Is Davion Mitchell ready for a breakout? Does MIA not see it?
Any way to steal Jared McCain while PHI is spinning out over Embiid & George? Is he too much like Maxey to pair with him?
If WAS gets Harper is AJ Johnson the forgotten one after Bub? (Take a look at AJ…crazy athlete)
Is Monte Morris ready to be discovered again? What happened to Micic?
You know the great orgs like SAS and OKC KNOW what they have but who is SAC or CHA or PHX or WAS sleeping on? Who is DEN or NY or MIL reluctant to play because they only trust vets?
We need to unearth our own Ty Jerome rather than overpay for a proven solid guy that doesn’t have any room for growth- like we did with KCP. Simons and McCollum have always had a PG in-house, are they ready to display more playmaking?
I wish I had faith that Weltman could see something other GMs don’t, select a target and pay what feels like too much - only to unveil a stud who was underutilized or miscast…but I don’t. Maybe the Fultz experiment scared him. Maybe the CoJo experiment will give him some confidence to take another bigger swing.
This is how Weltman should be approaching things.. SHOULD
Nembhard (25) - going to take a lot to pry him away from Indiana. They love him. Will cost AB and other stuff likely.
Topic (19) - I'd make OKC a good offer for him. Might cost too much. I like him better than any other PG on the board this year.
Mann (24) - worth a shot. No idea the level of value. Seems like solidly a "Cole" kind of backup at this point. Might be something there.
McConnell (33) - pass. Also, I dont think Indiana would move him. Too integral and steady to their rotations.
Kolek (24) - I'd give him a serious look. He's never going to play behind 3 point guards and I liked him in the draft.
Mitchell (24) - Worth a shot. He's been on three teams now in a short timeframe.
McCain (21) - forget it. Philly loves him. Would cost an arm and a leg for him.
Morris (30) - stopgap situation. Not a long term guy to build an offense. Would have been happy to have him 3 seasons ago before this contract.
Simons (25) - we know about him.
Other guys
Ayo (25) - With emerging Coby White I think Ayo is the more realistic target now. I dont see White getting moved after the numbers he's putting up.
AJ Johnson (20) - Wizards have too many cooks with Bub/AJ/Poole/Smart - If they land Harper I could see one of those guys being moved.
Bub Carrington (19) - Same as above.
Poole (25) - Same as above. People forget this guy is 25. I dont like him for reasons, but hes an option and from Michigan fwiw.
Reed Sheppard (20) - worth a shot. Isnt really doing anything in Houston. Getting no minutes in these last few games and could help Orlando.
Tyus Jones (28) - We have heard the arguments a million times now. Not a great defender. Older now. Great A/TO ball mover and playmaker.
Tre Jones (25) - Trade exception expires late June with the Bulls. Not sure where I rank him as a potential starter.
Miles Mcbride (24) - New York's roster is going to get expensive. Maybe they move him to avoid paying him in 2 seasons to make other moves.
Not happening:
Ty Jerome
Cason Wallace
Jared McCain
Coby White
Stephon Castle
Tyrese Maxey
Let's just clone Rip Hamilton and age him in the time chamber. Would make our Retro Pistons lineup complete.
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cedric76 wrote:VFX wrote:Skybox wrote:Who’s the next Ty Jerome? Whose bench is he hidden on…waiting to get his shot?
Who could we trade for and hand the keys to? Who has a gear yet undiscovered?
I love Nembhard, but IND does too…even if as an accessory to Haliburton
Nikola Topic is a big time prospect but OKC is contending NOW
Tre Mann in Lamelo’s shadow…same for Nick Smith (AB’s college running mate)
TJ McConnell has been solid for a decade…could he do more?
Could Tyler Kolek be better and Thibs hates kids? Would NY prefer a higher floor/proven vet like CoJo for immediate safe minutes?
Is Davion Mitchell ready for a breakout? Does MIA not see it?
Any way to steal Jared McCain while PHI is spinning out over Embiid & George? Is he too much like Maxey to pair with him?
If WAS gets Harper is AJ Johnson the forgotten one after Bub? (Take a look at AJ…crazy athlete)
Is Monte Morris ready to be discovered again? What happened to Micic?
You know the great orgs like SAS and OKC KNOW what they have but who is SAC or CHA or PHX or WAS sleeping on? Who is DEN or NY or MIL reluctant to play because they only trust vets?
We need to unearth our own Ty Jerome rather than overpay for a proven solid guy that doesn’t have any room for growth- like we did with KCP. Simons and McCollum have always had a PG in-house, are they ready to display more playmaking?
I wish I had faith that Weltman could see something other GMs don’t, select a target and pay what feels like too much - only to unveil a stud who was underutilized or miscast…but I don’t. Maybe the Fultz experiment scared him. Maybe the CoJo experiment will give him some confidence to take another bigger swing.
This is how Weltman should be approaching things.. SHOULD
Nembhard (25) - going to take a lot to pry him away from Indiana. They love him. Will cost AB and other stuff likely.
Topic (19) - I'd make OKC a good offer for him. Might cost too much. I like him better than any other PG on the board this year.
Mann (24) - worth a shot. No idea the level of value. Seems like solidly a "Cole" kind of backup at this point. Might be something there.
McConnell (33) - pass. Also, I dont think Indiana would move him. Too integral and steady to their rotations.
Kolek (24) - I'd give him a serious look. He's never going to play behind 3 point guards and I liked him in the draft.
Mitchell (24) - Worth a shot. He's been on three teams now in a short timeframe.
McCain (21) - forget it. Philly loves him. Would cost an arm and a leg for him.
Morris (30) - stopgap situation. Not a long term guy to build an offense. Would have been happy to have him 3 seasons ago before this contract.
Simons (25) - we know about him.
Other guys
Ayo (25) - With emerging Coby White I think Ayo is the more realistic target now. I dont see White getting moved after the numbers he's putting up.
AJ Johnson (20) - Wizards have too many cooks with Bub/AJ/Poole/Smart - If they land Harper I could see one of those guys being moved.
Bub Carrington (19) - Same as above.
Poole (25) - Same as above. People forget this guy is 25. I dont like him for reasons, but hes an option and from Michigan fwiw.
Reed Sheppard (20) - worth a shot. Isnt really doing anything in Houston. Getting no minutes in these last few games and could help Orlando.
Tyus Jones (28) - We have heard the arguments a million times now. Not a great defender. Older now. Great A/TO ball mover and playmaker.
Tre Jones (25) - Trade exception expires late June with the Bulls. Not sure where I rank him as a potential starter.
Miles Mcbride (24) - New York's roster is going to get expensive. Maybe they move him to avoid paying him in 2 seasons to make other moves.
Not happening:
Ty Jerome
Cason Wallace
Jared McCain
Coby White
Stephon Castle
Tyrese Maxey
you forgot:
Grayson allen
colin sexton
Luke Kennard
Not really a point guard or combo guard.
Sure
Not really a point guard or combo guard.
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Posted this in the wrong thread:
Scotty Pippen Jr has really settled into a solid all-round game. In 21mpg he's averaging 9.9ppg shooting the 3 at 40% on almost 3 attempts per game (4.7 per36), averaging 4.4apg (7.4apg per36), 3.3rpg, 1.3spg (2.2 per36), 1.7tov. He's not going to give you the kind of shooting Jerome will, but he'll give you enough plus a complete game and solid defense. Not sure what it would take for Memphis to want to move him, or even what their plans are for the team since they fired Jenkins and are in free-fall since. Maybe Jett + pick?
I doubt Philly would bite but I'd throw a big offer at them for McCain even though he's injured. Obvs by big I mean low-ball by their standards because PB/FW/JS/AB are off the board. Everyone else is fair game plus picks. I'd eat PG's contract if they gave us McCain. Send them Moe Wag, Harris, KCP, Isaac, our picks this draft and another future FRP.
Scotty Pippen Jr has really settled into a solid all-round game. In 21mpg he's averaging 9.9ppg shooting the 3 at 40% on almost 3 attempts per game (4.7 per36), averaging 4.4apg (7.4apg per36), 3.3rpg, 1.3spg (2.2 per36), 1.7tov. He's not going to give you the kind of shooting Jerome will, but he'll give you enough plus a complete game and solid defense. Not sure what it would take for Memphis to want to move him, or even what their plans are for the team since they fired Jenkins and are in free-fall since. Maybe Jett + pick?
I doubt Philly would bite but I'd throw a big offer at them for McCain even though he's injured. Obvs by big I mean low-ball by their standards because PB/FW/JS/AB are off the board. Everyone else is fair game plus picks. I'd eat PG's contract if they gave us McCain. Send them Moe Wag, Harris, KCP, Isaac, our picks this draft and another future FRP.
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Bensational wrote:Posted this in the wrong thread:
Scotty Pippen Jr has really settled into a solid all-round game. In 21mpg he's averaging 9.9ppg shooting the 3 at 40% on almost 3 attempts per game (4.7 per36), averaging 4.4apg (7.4apg per36), 3.3rpg, 1.3spg (2.2 per36), 1.7tov. He's not going to give you the kind of shooting Jerome will, but he'll give you enough plus a complete game and solid defense. Not sure what it would take for Memphis to want to move him, or even what their plans are for the team since they fired Jenkins and are in free-fall since. Maybe Jett + pick?
I doubt Philly would bite but I'd throw a big offer at them for McCain even though he's injured. Obvs by big I mean low-ball by their standards because PB/FW/JS/AB are off the board. Everyone else is fair game plus picks. I'd eat PG's contract if they gave us McCain. Send them Moe Wag, Harris, KCP, Isaac, our picks this draft and another future FRP.
PG is a BIIIIIGGG contract....3 more years about $163m...but, the guy's also an awesome player when he can play. I'm not even going to do the math, but that would be a hellaciously exciting move. I love McCain and my questions always begin with "Isn't he too much like Maxey?", "Does PHI want to build another Dame/CJ combo?"...he's just what we needed and he went, what, one pick ahead of TdS I think?

IF MEM really goes in the crapper...Pippen might be the one who stays and Ja is on the market

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There is some trade between Washington, with their plethora of young guards, and Orlando with Wendell Carter starting next to Sarr.
They have no PF on the roster worth a damn unless they magically land Cooper Flagg, which would solve all of their problems.
They have no PF on the roster worth a damn unless they magically land Cooper Flagg, which would solve all of their problems.