The Trade Thread II

[troybiles]

So I'm not going to say I'm an expert, so I just want to say that before I ask this question. There was talk about the Cavs being open to trading Kevin Love for several pieces instead of one player like Melo. I feel like we might have enough pieces to get him. I would prefer we did a deal like that and then do a separate deal to get Wilson chandler. I like the idea of jrue holiday that people mentioned too but that's a lot of trading but I would love to see Kevin Love here since he would be booked up for several years. But do you all think that is obtainable?

[magicfan4life88]

If pelicans are looking for a center does a vuc Payton for holiday hield work for anyone

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Hmmm hmmm hmmm...

YES!

It's another risk that we'll be able to keep Holiday in FA, but I think that's a move we can make to help convince both of them to stay with us. As much as I enjoy Payton improving, Holiday is on another level. 40% 3pt shooter who can score in a variety of ways AND play defense. He's Vogel's type of PG... I've been saying that for a while.

Hield is a work in progress, but I LOVED him as a draft prospect. Maybe we could even flip him to CHI in order to get Butler.

LOVE THIS IDEA. Thank you sir.

Heild is one of the low ceiling college star type of players. I can't see why anyone would LOVE him at the NBA level. He would be a nice piece in a bigger trade but I wouldn't go out of my way to acquire him. If we trade Vuc then I want draft picks, an established star or better prospects than Hield.

Hield is the next Bradley Beal, you can take that to the bank

[MagicFan101]

Hmmm hmmm hmmm...

YES!

It's another risk that we'll be able to keep Holiday in FA, but I think that's a move we can make to help convince both of them to stay with us. As much as I enjoy Payton improving, Holiday is on another level. 40% 3pt shooter who can score in a variety of ways AND play defense. He's Vogel's type of PG... I've been saying that for a while.

Hield is a work in progress, but I LOVED him as a draft prospect. Maybe we could even flip him to CHI in order to get Butler.

LOVE THIS IDEA. Thank you sir.

Heild is one of the low ceiling college star type of players. I can't see why anyone would LOVE him at the NBA level. He would be a nice piece in a bigger trade but I wouldn't go out of my way to acquire him. If we trade Vuc then I want draft picks, an established star or better prospects than Hield.

Hield is the next Bradley Beal, you can take that to the bank

Despite having 293 career NBA games to his name in the middle of a 5th season, Bradley Beal is only 6 months older than the rookie Buddy Hield...

[dsg2021]

Heild is one of the low ceiling college star type of players. I can't see why anyone would LOVE him at the NBA level. He would be a nice piece in a bigger trade but I wouldn't go out of my way to acquire him. If we trade Vuc then I want draft picks, an established star or better prospects than Hield.

Hield is the next Bradley Beal, you can take that to the bank

Despite having 293 career NBA games to his name in the middle of a 5th season, Bradley Beal is only 6 months older than the rookie Buddy Hield...

This is why AG is our best young player too, by a mile. He's much younger than people think.

[Mc-o]

Hield is the next Bradley Beal, you can take that to the bank

Despite having 293 career NBA games to his name in the middle of a 5th season, Bradley Beal is only 6 months older than the rookie Buddy Hield...

This is why AG is our best young player too, by a mile. He's much younger than people think.

Ag is one of our only young players, I think he is better than Mario but Payton is pretty good as well

[pepe1991]

Butler, DeRozan, Giannis, Wade, LeBron, Carmelo, Monta Ellis, Josh Smith, Tyreke Evans, Antwan Jamison - there are plenty of guys who have been able to still become good scorers without having a shot that should put fear into anybody (or at least not early in their careers).

Gordon's biggest problem right now isn't his shot, it's that he lacks the instincts on how to use his handles best. Payton is the perfect example of a guy who can't shoot well, but he can still get to the rim most times that he wants to. There are plenty of PGs who are poor shooters, too, but they can still make a living scoring in the paint. I didn't mention them, though, because Gordon will never have a PG's handles.

Gordon's best games this season came when the team actively got him a mismatch against a smaller wing that he could back down. He can't post up or back down players with size, but he can get do a lot more damage against guys who are smaller than him. That's what we've needed to focus on more this season with him, but haven't.

Derozan,Wade, Melo all have elite mid range games and they are elite at drawing fouls. Melo had seasons where he was elite 3 point shooter (2013-14 for exaple ) Lebronis hall of famer, type of player that shows up once every 30 -40 years. He averaged 21 ppg at age of 18 and half, what always made him beast on offense is his vision and ability to draw fouls. Also he is much better shooter people give him credit for. Career 34,1% for 3, that's category of "average " ,so he was never really awful.

Giannis, like Lebron, great court vision opens games for him and for others, ability to draw fouls make his game so great. (also how many players can run the floor in like 5 steps and dunk from free trow line in middle of a game and then go back on defense and protect a rim? In last 30-40 games only handful of players could do it, Gordon is not one of them )

Tyreke is garbage IMO, he is definition of do everyting, do nothing really good type of player. Same with Monta Elise. It's no accident that they spent most of their career on awful teams.

None of that builds a case to say Gordon couldn't find a way to become a scorer without becoming a good shooter.

DeRozan isn't elite at the mid range game, nor is Wade. What the heck is your definition of elite?? Floating around or under 40% for most of their careers? Vucevic shoots the mid range game at a significantly higher level than them. Do you know what Gordon's mid range percentage is this season? It's 39%. Do you know what DeRozan's was in his 3rd year? 41%. Wade's was 37%.

The fact is that those guys all found ways to use their strengths to allow them to score baskets. Whether it's athleticism, handles, passing or what, they found ways that didn't involve being a good shooter.

That's why I'm saying that AG's biggest problem at this point seems like he's not learning how to use his other skills to get him easy buckets yet. He relies on his jump shot, or he forgets to try to find mismatches and abuse them. (Sometimes he does, but he'll get waved off by Payton/Fournier/Ibaka). I'd say that if by the end of the season he doesn't look a lot more capable at using his dribble, then he'll likely struggle to put it all together and become a star. But he's shown flashes this season and my hope is that Forcier can help him get smarter with those plays.

What? Sorry but you are so wrong about bolded one. Derozan shotos 55% of his all FGA from mid range and he is making 45% of that shots. This goes on for most of his career, always over 50% of his shots are from mid range. He is great at drawing fouls when he drives and fadeaway long 2s. That's how he made his career.
Wade ,same story. Over 90% of all shots he took in his career were for 2, only 35% of them were from point blank range ( 0-3 feet ), so as you can see ,another player who made career from mid range (and drawing fouls). People jump on his pumpfake when he shoots, because he shoots so damn well inside 3 point range. I mean did you see how he played last game vs Magic? Got himself going by shooting nothing else but fadeaway 2s.

So no, it's not true they are not good shooters, because they are, they just don't have 3 point range.
Gordon is just poor shooter overall. He takes 35% of all his shots from 3 point line where he shoots 29% for career. Even when he shoots from closer range his percentages are still bad.

[Bensational]

DeRozan isn't elite at the mid range game, nor is Wade. What the heck is your definition of elite?? Floating around or under 40% for most of their careers? Vucevic shoots the mid range game at a significantly higher level than them. Do you know what Gordon's mid range percentage is this season? It's 39%. Do you know what DeRozan's was in his 3rd year? 41%. Wade's was 37%.

What? Sorry but you are so wrong about bolded one. Derozan shotos 55% of his all FGA from mid range and he is making 45% of that shots. This goes on for most of his career, always over 50% of his shots are from mid range. He is great at drawing fouls when he drives and fadeaway long 2s. That's how he made his career.
Wade ,same story. Over 90% of all shots he took in his career were for 2, only 35% of them were from point blank range ( 0-3 feet ), so as you can see ,another player who made career from mid range (and drawing fouls). People jump on his pumpfake when he shoots, because he shoots so damn well inside 3 point range. I mean did you see how he played last game vs Magic? Got himself going by shooting nothing else but fadeaway 2s.

So no, it's not true they are not good shooters, because they are, they just don't have 3 point range.
Gordon is just poor shooter overall. He takes 35% of all his shots from 3 point line where he shoots 29% for career. Even when he shoots from closer range his percentages are still bad.

I'm sorry, but you're going to have to clarify a few things, because I'm not seeing where you're getting your numbers from at all.

As per stats.nba.com, this is the first season DeRozan has hit near 50% from a shot within the mid range, and that's from 10-14ft. He takes most of his shots from 15-19ft, and he's hitting those at 43%. And this is a career year for him in efficiency from those ranges (from what I can see). Previously, he's been floating between 36-43% from those ranges over the course of his career (with a previous high around 44% and previous low of 33%).

Even using Basketball Reference, you can see that from 10-16ft this is his career year at 47%. He started well as a rookie and sophomore in those ranges, but he quickly dropped from 46% to 40% and then remained around that mark for the next 5 seasons.

Again, I don't know what you consider elite, but I think 45% on any 2pt shot is a pretty simple cut off for efficiency within the shot. Guys like Durant and Kawhi constantly sit between 45-50% from those ranges, and that makes those shots elite. 40% isn't elite. AG is shooting 40% from 10-14ft. Also, AG's 29% from 3 is the equivalent of a DeRozan 42% mid range shot, which is pretty close to what DeRozan is shooting from 15-19ft this season.

So again, AG's shooting, whilst inefficient, isn't what's holding him back. It's the fact he hasn't put anything else together which is holding him back. But there's still time for him to figure it out.

[yoyojw17]

I don't think that most people here understand fundamentals of basketball.
Most of time you can't attack and break man 1 on 1 if defender doesn't respect your jump shot. When you are bad shooter defender is not that close to you, so when you attack him offf dribble he has enough tme and space between you and him to react, short your angle in a cut and stop penetration with his body.

IF you are good shooter, however, defender must respect your jumper, that means he will try to stay close to you and he will contest shots and jump on your pumpfakes, so ,when you attack him off drible ,because he stays close to you, with your first step you can create enough of adventage to break him 1 on1 and attack the rim.

So, it doesn't matter is Gordon athletic or he is not, if defender never contests his shots and stays in defensive position ( has defensive posture that you learn at basketball camps at age of 7 ) he will never be able to attack the rim because he will never be able to break defender 1 on 1 and go pass him.

When you look at highlights of his best games this year you can see that that type of games are not sustinable offense. When he gets himself going he hits stepback 3s and contested fadeaway twos. Even superstars can't make that shots consistant enough to make that part of their offense. So , for defense, every shot taken outside paint by Gordon is good shot.

When you put him at PF he can use as adventage his size and hoops to get garbage points like putbacks and attack from pick&roll ,everything he can't do at SF because at SF you spent most of the time on 3 point line where he is not treat at all

At no point did I try and imply anything about his one on one game.....lol. Because that is not one of his strengths still at this point. And yes.... i know how defensive positioning works and is effected by a solid jump shot. I would hope that his offense balances out properly with time as his jumper improves. All i'm saying is.... there are many times he's out at the 3 point line.... hovers and stays there.... leading to a jumper , whether its a pull up or a 3. And as you said.... he is bailing the defense out every time he takes one of those more than he is helping the team at the this stage of his development. Maybe they are giving him free reigns in order to get him comfortable.... and might not care even more right now as it helps with the tank... haha.

I'm just saying that everything in basketball is connected. If you can't shoot you probably won't be able to break defender and get at rim. He can't just put his head down and run through opponent to get at rim.

At SF he must stay at 3 point line just to give some spacing ,despinte not being able to make most of shots from that range. I mean where he can go? If he goes in post he just disrupts Vučević and Ibaka because now, with Gordon around paint,as no total no treat from mid range, his defender can also give help defense on Vučević.

Play it simple , Payton at PG and Gordon at SF will never work, there is big chance that Gordon at PF with Payton at PG also will never work because league went in total new direction where everybody can shoot and you have two players in SL who can't.

My biggest fear with Gordon is that, once you move him at PF we will just figure out that even at PF he isn't that great. He is great defender but not that great of rebounder, no shot blocker, not rim protector and can't give you anything specal "outside of box " like passing or elite shooting.

Without huge improvment in shootng ( highly unlikely ) i'm not sure that he will ever be more than border line starter without true position.

But the thing about our team is.... ibaka plays on the perimeter a lot for being our second big. even Vuc is found at the top of the key. I know he's going to be at the perimeter.... my problem is that he doesn't flash to the middle for either cuts or offensive rebounds especially when we have bigs that do play the perimeter.

Feel free to have your double-take moment, then come right back. Indeed, of those 46 cuts, only 3 have ended negatively. NBA.com lists him in the 99.6th percentile in the league scoring on cuts—when I first looked it up about a week or two ago, they said he was the 100th percentile, which isn’t even mathematically possible. In others words, he is very, very good when he cuts off the ball. Last season, though his turnover rate and foul-drawing were comparable, he hit way fewer of those shots, just 65% instead of, well, almost all of them.

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2017/2/6/14458918/how-the-aaron-gordon-experiment-succeeded-failed-small-forward-power-forward
This was a ridiculous stat to see.... and it is being drastically under utilized. Player movement should be encouraged.... along with ball movement. If he's not knocking down his jump shots.... make yourself available for something that you are good at. By the way.... we have one of the lowest FT shooting rates..... so i feel like this is an advantage for us and will retroactively give him more space to make other moves that he is improving on. build confidence in the game with your strengths and incorporate other things to further your success. If he starts the game missing all his jumpers.... he goes into his shell and is less active.... minus on the the defensive end. If he's going to pester players on the defensive end.... make em also work on the offensive end as well and punish them.

[OrlChamps2030]

DeRozan isn't elite at the mid range game, nor is Wade. What the heck is your definition of elite?? Floating around or under 40% for most of their careers? Vucevic shoots the mid range game at a significantly higher level than them. Do you know what Gordon's mid range percentage is this season? It's 39%. Do you know what DeRozan's was in his 3rd year? 41%. Wade's was 37%.

What? Sorry but you are so wrong about bolded one. Derozan shotos 55% of his all FGA from mid range and he is making 45% of that shots. This goes on for most of his career, always over 50% of his shots are from mid range. He is great at drawing fouls when he drives and fadeaway long 2s. That's how he made his career.
Wade ,same story. Over 90% of all shots he took in his career were for 2, only 35% of them were from point blank range ( 0-3 feet ), so as you can see ,another player who made career from mid range (and drawing fouls). People jump on his pumpfake when he shoots, because he shoots so damn well inside 3 point range. I mean did you see how he played last game vs Magic? Got himself going by shooting nothing else but fadeaway 2s.

So no, it's not true they are not good shooters, because they are, they just don't have 3 point range.
Gordon is just poor shooter overall. He takes 35% of all his shots from 3 point line where he shoots 29% for career. Even when he shoots from closer range his percentages are still bad.

I'm sorry, but you're going to have to clarify a few things, because I'm not seeing where you're getting your numbers from at all.

As per stats.nba.com, this is the first season DeRozan has hit near 50% from a shot within the mid range, and that's from 10-14ft. He takes most of his shots from 15-19ft, and he's hitting those at 43%. And this is a career year for him in efficiency from those ranges (from what I can see). Previously, he's been floating between 36-43% from those ranges over the course of his career (with a previous high around 44% and previous low of 33%).

Even using Basketball Reference, you can see that from 10-16ft this is his career year at 47%. He started well as a rookie and sophomore in those ranges, but he quickly dropped from 46% to 40% and then remained around that mark for the next 5 seasons.

Again, I don't know what you consider elite, but I think 45% on any 2pt shot is a pretty simple cut off for efficiency within the shot. Guys like Durant and Kawhi constantly sit between 45-50% from those ranges, and that makes those shots elite. 40% isn't elite. AG is shooting 40% from 10-14ft. Also, AG's 29% from 3 is the equivalent of a DeRozan 42% mid range shot, which is pretty close to what DeRozan is shooting from 15-19ft this season.

So again, AG's shooting, whilst inefficient, isn't what's holding him back. It's the fact he hasn't put anything else together which is holding him back. But there's still time for him to figure it out.

Using raw FG% to judge a player's mid-range ability is a really faulty process. Both DWade and Derozan have always lived on the line.

[BadMofoPimp]

What? Sorry but you are so wrong about bolded one. Derozan shotos 55% of his all FGA from mid range and he is making 45% of that shots. This goes on for most of his career, always over 50% of his shots are from mid range. He is great at drawing fouls when he drives and fadeaway long 2s. That's how he made his career.
Wade ,same story. Over 90% of all shots he took in his career were for 2, only 35% of them were from point blank range ( 0-3 feet ), so as you can see ,another player who made career from mid range (and drawing fouls). People jump on his pumpfake when he shoots, because he shoots so damn well inside 3 point range. I mean did you see how he played last game vs Magic? Got himself going by shooting nothing else but fadeaway 2s.

So no, it's not true they are not good shooters, because they are, they just don't have 3 point range.
Gordon is just poor shooter overall. He takes 35% of all his shots from 3 point line where he shoots 29% for career. Even when he shoots from closer range his percentages are still bad.

I'm sorry, but you're going to have to clarify a few things, because I'm not seeing where you're getting your numbers from at all.

As per stats.nba.com, this is the first season DeRozan has hit near 50% from a shot within the mid range, and that's from 10-14ft. He takes most of his shots from 15-19ft, and he's hitting those at 43%. And this is a career year for him in efficiency from those ranges (from what I can see). Previously, he's been floating between 36-43% from those ranges over the course of his career (with a previous high around 44% and previous low of 33%).

Even using Basketball Reference, you can see that from 10-16ft this is his career year at 47%. He started well as a rookie and sophomore in those ranges, but he quickly dropped from 46% to 40% and then remained around that mark for the next 5 seasons.

Again, I don't know what you consider elite, but I think 45% on any 2pt shot is a pretty simple cut off for efficiency within the shot. Guys like Durant and Kawhi constantly sit between 45-50% from those ranges, and that makes those shots elite. 40% isn't elite. AG is shooting 40% from 10-14ft. Also, AG's 29% from 3 is the equivalent of a DeRozan 42% mid range shot, which is pretty close to what DeRozan is shooting from 15-19ft this season.

So again, AG's shooting, whilst inefficient, isn't what's holding him back. It's the fact he hasn't put anything else together which is holding him back. But there's still time for him to figure it out.

Using raw FG% to judge a player's mid-range ability is a really faulty process. Both DWade and Derozan have always lived on the line.

Hmmm. I will consider that the next time Wade or DeRozen nets 30pts while taking less than 10 FT's which happens quite often. i reckon the extra 20+ points are all layups, fast breaks or gimmes.

[pepe1991]

Derozan vs Gordon breakdown : First let's just put things in perspective : Derozan career averages are twice as high than Gordons in PPG. 19 ppg vs 8,8 ppg. More shots gives you more chance , but also more you shoot, more you miss ( i used basketball reference FGA% per distance and FG% per distance )

Derozan vs Gordon
0-3 feet: 63,9% vs 66,3%
3-10 feet: 43,5% vs 35,4%
10-16 feet: 41,7% vs 32,3%
16- to 3 point line: 38,1% vs 30,9%
3 point : 28,1% vs 29,3%

So , as you can see, Derozan only shoots bit worst around rim , naturally he is SG and Gordon until this year was playing PF.
Their 3 point percentages are similar, both awful, but Gordon is bit better until you put things in perspective. Derozan knows he is bad 3 point shooter, that's why only 9% of his all FGA are from 3 point line. Gordon is bad shooter who has no clue that he is bad shooter for 3, so 28% of all shots he took in his career are from 3 point line.

DeRozan, at average, in his career draws 6,1 free trow attemps per game, Gordon 2,1.

To put things even more in perspective ,at age of 21, Derozan avraged 17 ppg on 46,7% FG, and not shooting 3 point ball at all. His true shooting percentage is always lower than it should be because he is not 3 point shooter and 3 point ball makes huge impact on TS%.

I don't understand how you can look that two players and think that Gordon is better shooter, or even close. Derozan , for example, in January averaged 28 ppg on 8 FTA and 0,8 threes made. Do you think he scored 10 layups ? Ofc not.

Here is link from BBallBreakdown (

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Anyway ,Derozan in allstar starter this year, and he is one of best mid range shooters in the game. So i really don't understand what made you think he is not good shooter.

[NEM]

Hield is the next Bradley Beal, you can take that to the bank

Despite having 293 career NBA games to his name in the middle of a 5th season, Bradley Beal is only 6 months older than the rookie Buddy Hield...

This is why AG is our best young player too, by a mile. He's much younger than people think.

I hate this logic... so going by this, my unconceived son is better than both of them (or any other basketball player in the world for that matter) because he's younger than all of them...

Just because he's young, doesn't mean he's good. It doesn't even mean that he will be good. It just means that he has x amount of years to get to average. I tried to get on the Aaron Gordon band wagon, but he's making it very hard. He doesn't have any real skill and he can't really use his athleticism because of that. I see role player written all over him.

[MagicFan101]

Despite having 293 career NBA games to his name in the middle of a 5th season, Bradley Beal is only 6 months older than the rookie Buddy Hield...

This is why AG is our best young player too, by a mile. He's much younger than people think.

I hate this logic... so going by this, my unconceived son is better than both of them (or any other basketball player in the world for that matter) because he's younger than all of them...

Just because he's young, doesn't mean he's good. It doesn't even mean that he will be good. It just means that he has x amount of years to get to average. I tried to get on the Aaron Gordon band wagon, but he's making it very hard. He doesn't have any real skill and he can't really use his athleticism because of that. I see role player written all over him.

I agree that youth doesn't equal NBA potential.

But I also believe there is a curtailment factor involved for the NBA potential of a player with respect to their age. We can all agree on that right?

So if someone is going to try and tell me that rookie Buddy Hield is the next Bradley Beal when they are essentially the same age then Hield better have a breakthrough NOW!

I like the intangibles Hield brings. With reports of the Pelicans being interested in an offensive Big like Okafor, I would expect us to call and see what their interest in Vuc is. While a package built exclusively around Hield would not excite me, I would be perfectly happy to have him included in the deal.

[Skin]

The purpose of tanking is to find a star. If we can trade our prospects for a star the tank ends. If not, trading them for more picks is a great idea. If neither is available consolidating them into better prospects is another option.

... all of this is fundamental tanking strategy.

The purpose of tanking is obvious. The problem is our prospects aren't landing us a star. Picks and/or prospects would be my obvious choice. Hield is realistically what we could get for package around Payton/Nik

We're staring at a top 5 pick in a deep class this year. If we get some luck and jump the Lakers for a top 3 pick while pushing them out of the top 3 then we suddenly have two super valuable draft choices. Last year the #5 seed had a 30% chance at a top 3 pick while the #4 seed had a 38% chance. This isn't out of the realm of possibility.

You don't think our prospects + one or perhaps even both of these picks could land us a star?

Cousins is always a mystery.

Jimmy Butler isn't happy.

Paul George is being a professional but can't be enjoying that season and still has fond memories of Vogel.

I don't want Melo and he wouldn't want Orlando but he is out there.

... none of these teams would be interested in starting over with Gordon, Vuc and some prized draft choice?

Believe it or not, the answer is no. Other teams don't value Gordon and Vuc that much.

For example, I put this trade out there:

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ORL gets: Jimmy Butler

CHI gets: Evan Fournier, Aaron Gordon, Mario Hezonja, 2017 1st (unprotected)

I didn't put Vuc in there, but I don't think it would've made a difference.

[Skin]

My complaint about Gordon is still the same. He needs to be more aggressive in attacking the basket down the lane. Stop pussy footing around and blast your way to the hole.

[OrlandoDream]

[The Real Dalic]

Hurry up 23rd! This is awful.

[Anti Chalmers]

My daily rant..

I do not want Magic to give Serge $120M, especially with how he started declining at 25!! We are not even sure how old Serge really is. Trade him to a playoff team for some young talent or picks. A Serge rental should still net some positive assets.

We also need to trade Evan "Only pass to Vuc" Fournier. He's on a fair contract and can help another team win something. I do not want him on the Magic, because it seems like he wants to be "the guy" but isn't good enough. I truly believe hes interfering with the development of AG. Do they even like each other?

Now I'm not sure what to do with Vuc, but if we can get a early first round pick for him then I'm all for it.

We need to do what PHX is doing which is committing to developing our young talent for the future. Our team is nowhere close to winning anything at the moment. Let Mario, Gordon, and Elf run the team to see what they're capable of. Trading Vuc, Serge, and Fournier will allow us to tank for a top 4 pick along with the assets we get back. Start over the rebuilding process and stop signing aging role players like Green, Augustine, Watson, and Frye.

I'm a die-hard Magic fan, but this season have been so frustrating to watch. No excitement watching a bad Magic team wasting their draft position trying to make the playoff.
A lineup of Elf, Watson, Mario, Gordon, Biz will guaranteed us to win less than 5 games to finish the season.

[tiderulz]

My daily rant..

I do not want Magic to give Serge $120M, especially with how he started declining at 25!! We are not even sure how old Serge really is. Trade him to a playoff team for some young talent or picks. A Serge rental should still net some positive assets.

We also need to trade Evan "Only pass to Vuc" Fournier. He's on a fair contract and can help another team win something. I do not want him on the Magic, because it seems like he wants to be "the guy" but isn't good enough. I truly believe hes interfering with the development of AG. Do they even like each other?

Now I'm not sure what to do with Vuc, but if we can get a early first round pick for him then I'm all for it.

We need to do what PHX is doing which is committing to developing our young talent for the future. Our team is nowhere close to winning anything at the moment. Let Mario, Gordon, and Elf run the team to see what they're capable of. Trading Vuc, Serge, and Fournier will allow us to tank for a top 4 pick along with the assets we get back. Start over the rebuilding process and stop signing aging role players like Green, Augustine, Watson, and Frye.

I'm a die-hard Magic fan, but this season have been so frustrating to watch. No excitement watching a bad Magic team wasting their draft position trying to make the playoff.
A lineup of Elf, Watson, Mario, Gordon, Biz will guaranteed us to win less than 5 games to finish the season.

so we trade Harris, because people say he wants to "be the guy". We trade Dipo, because he wants to "be the guy". Now we trade Evan for the same reason. Will we look to trade Elf or Gordon next year, because they want to "be the guy"?

And how is Evan interfering with AG's development? I would honestly like to know.

[yoyojw17]

My daily rant..

I do not want Magic to give Serge $120M, especially with how he started declining at 25!! We are not even sure how old Serge really is. Trade him to a playoff team for some young talent or picks. A Serge rental should still net some positive assets.

We also need to trade Evan "Only pass to Vuc" Fournier. He's on a fair contract and can help another team win something. I do not want him on the Magic, because it seems like he wants to be "the guy" but isn't good enough. I truly believe hes interfering with the development of AG. Do they even like each other?

Now I'm not sure what to do with Vuc, but if we can get a early first round pick for him then I'm all for it.

We need to do what PHX is doing which is committing to developing our young talent for the future. Our team is nowhere close to winning anything at the moment. Let Mario, Gordon, and Elf run the team to see what they're capable of. Trading Vuc, Serge, and Fournier will allow us to tank for a top 4 pick along with the assets we get back. Start over the rebuilding process and stop signing aging role players like Green, Augustine, Watson, and Frye.

I'm a die-hard Magic fan, but this season have been so frustrating to watch. No excitement watching a bad Magic team wasting their draft position trying to make the playoff.
A lineup of Elf, Watson, Mario, Gordon, Biz will guaranteed us to win less than 5 games to finish the season.

so we trade Harris, because people say he wants to "be the guy". We trade Dipo, because he wants to "be the guy". Now we trade Evan for the same reason. Will we look to trade Elf or Gordon next year, because they want to "be the guy"?

And how is Evan interfering with AG's development? I would honestly like to know.

Yeah.... I don't see Evan trying to be "the guy".... I see him probably doing what he is told to do or asked of. Just my take.