Bensational wrote:JF5 wrote:Bensational wrote:I don't know how some people can't say that they don't want AG to fail. Because they only seem to show up and comment on him when he's struggling.
I find it odd that you would post something like this... This topic was brought back up when he came off a hot start and then posters were saying he was all-star caliber at that point. Though this isn't directed at me, I myself came in and personally said that I was happy with the start (more directly his shooting/free throws) but stated it wan't sustainable (given nobody makes that sort of incredible jump of being a consistent shooter within a year from being an in-capable shooter) and he hadn't added any other significant skillset to his game.
Now those same posters from the start are nowhere to be seen during this stretch.
Now he's playing closer to what was more realistic for him (though I do agree his shooting is better than what it is now during the losing streak). Now all of a sudden you're saying people want him to fail because now he's not playing at an outrageous level that he was playing at during the beginning of the season and people are pointing that out.
For a guy who called me a Vucevic fanboy a ways back for saying he was the most versatile/best offensive option this team has (which is unfortunate as he is a 3rd/4th/5th option role player on a winning team). You seem hell bent at defending Gordon from any sort of criticism by all cost. Blaming other players for his shortcomings (on a crappy team with no credible first option), and calling any fan who doesn't see him as a potential star player "people who want to see him fail". Your Gordon bias is off the charts.
There’s a difference between criticism and critiquing. I’m down for critiques of any player, because they’re rational and they weigh up the pros and cons. Criticism is purely focusing on flaws.
I don’t think anyone said he could sustain a 60% 3pt percentage. Everyone knew that would come down. For it to come down, he has to miss shots. The difference is that some people seem to relish in seeing him miss shots, and my guess it’s purely for “I told you so” bragging rights.
I’m clearly not a Vuc fan, but I will always praise him when he’s playing well - as I did at the start of the season. But there are some here who are incapable of doing that when it comes to Gordon. Why wouldn’t we want to celebrate players performing well?
Also, for years Vuc fanboys have been shifting blame whenever others pointed out his shortcomings, blaming those on the rest of the team. But that privilege is off limits to Gordon? Gordon fails on his own, but Vuc is a soft defender because of the rest of the team. That just doesn’t fly for me.
There’s plenty of room for Gordon to improve. He’s not a finished player, at all. But too many people are too impatient to wait for him to actually develop. So rather than critiquing him and acknowledging strengths along with room to improve, they go straight to thinly veiled pot shots at him.
So yeah, sitting quietly during Gordon’s hot streak and surfacing only once he’s slumped to say “Sooo....” or “at least we can get him for a bargain deal” falls squarely in that category of people who just want to see Gordon fail so they can say they were right all along, for me.
BOTH sides are complicit to trying to hold bragging rights. Like I said when Gordon started the season hot people said he was a "Star in the making" and would take his game to greater heights and he already proved his detractors wrong. Now all of a sudden when he has a slump/poor shooting streak the other is doing the exact same thing. But for you, you make it seem like people are celebrating or are happy that he isn't playing up to par. Like I stated before if he becomes a star nobody cares about this conversation, and if he doesn't we move onto the next young player to see if he can take that mantle.
Nobody who criticizes him says he's horrible. The consensus from what I've seen of Gordon is that he's good player. The only issue that is taken is saying he has star player or potential or is playing like a star player (Which the latter is not true given the current incarnation of Gordon he's pretty far from).
Vucevic hasn't been off limits to criticism. He's relatively soft and a poor rim protector and a guy who at times takes too many shots... that is known... The problems that have risen with him given the blame is the fact that people complain about him being the 1st option on offense when its clear nobody else doesn't have the offensive talent to supersede him. Payton isn't a shooter/scorer, Fournier is just a shooter/scorer who has tunnel vision, and Gordon doesn't have enough skill offensively and is just finally figuring out how to shoot after having an identity crisis figuring out if he was a 3 or 4.
I like Vuc myself and I realize he's no all-star big, but given the talent this team has an a lack of a go to player/creator he's probably the most versatile player this team has. Gordon and Payton fans try to paint him as a guy who is taking their shots away when that makes no sense.
1. Payton is a PASS FIRST PG in a mold of a Rondo and Kidd, where he'll rarely look to score as getting his teammates involved is his style.
2. Like you said there is plenty room for Gordon to grow, and you've agreed with me in the past that he's no where ready to take a major load of the offense given where we feel his development is at. Like I said prior he's now figuring out how to shoot, and the rest of his offense is still pretty primitive.
3. They currently run a spread offense... Everyone takes around the same amount of shot attempts since there is no clear star. I can agree that players are being misused offensively to some degree (especially Payton). But from what I see from this team is what I've been saying about them since last year. They're extremely untalented, and no blame can be pointed at one player for how bad the team is. That's why I never go out of my way to single out a guy for a team for not having success.
