Official Spec Thread: Heart and Hustle Magic 2.0

[thelead]

Would you take WCJ on that deal right now?

No but he's not too far off. Theis got 4/36. WCJ should be somewhere in between IMO.

[Skybox]

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Could be an interesting reference point in the impending Wendell Carter Jr. negotiations.

Williams is clearly better IMO.

oh god, for guy who is only good at trying hard. 6'8, can't shoot, no post moves. Basically deluxe Faried

I was thinking Khem Birch with a cool nickname

[Skybox]

I don't really care what WCJ gets as long as it's not from us. I want evolved Bamba or some other guy who's not here yet. WCJ is a very solid player who could help a lot of teams...why settle for that at this point in the rebuild?

(don't misinterpret my "love" of Bamba...Bamba has basically sucked, but still, IMO, has a higher ceiling and one more season to show that he might be worthy of his draft spot and ORL money...or they can both beat it)

[KillMonger]

anyone hear that we brought on Courtney Lee as a development coach? any validity to that? if so that's cool

[drsd]

Whenever I read here the "Any Center will do" comments, I take note of stories like:

8.0 points, 6.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists and 1.8 blocks in 18.9 minutes per game is worth 13.5M a year
The Brinks truck arrives: Robert Williams, Celtics Agree To Four-Year, $54M Extension

Either Carter or Bamba will probably get a 4 year 70M deal, and if not traded, the other something more like the Williams' deal. Orlando will soon invest something like 30M a year in their two Centers.


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[drsd]

anyone hear that we brought on Courtney Lee as a development coach? any validity to that? if so that's cool

All I could find:

Terrence Ross said on his podcast that the magic hired Courtney Lee as a player development coach.

[pepe1991]

Whenever I read here the "Any Center will do" comments, I take note of stories like:

8.0 points, 6.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists and 1.8 blocks in 18.9 minutes per game is worth 13.5M a year
The Brinks truck arrives: Robert Williams, Celtics Agree To Four-Year, $54M Extension

Either Carter or Bamba will probably get a 4 year 70M deal, and if not traded, the other something more like the Williams' deal. Orlando will soon invest something like 30M a year in their two Centers.


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Or we can... not resign any of them and just patch C position with 2022 lottery pick or free agent stop gap player like Zeller, Zubac, Nukric, Valenchuinas or... dump money into player Bamba was promised to be and failed to, Mitchell Robinson.

[drsd]

Or we can... not resign any of them and just patch C position with 2022 lottery pick or free agent stop gap player like Zeller, Zubac, Nukric, Valenchuinas or... dump money into player Bamba was promised to be and failed to, Mitchell Robinson.

Considering Suggs, for me the question is, "which of these paths is the best for Suggs' development?"

I think 15M a year for a starting Center, whoever that might be (and I am on record that I do not think Carter or Bamba is starting-quality), must be a path we fans accept.

The going rate for a 8ppg/6rpg Center is north of 10M a year. Sadly that is kind of a fact.

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[Skybox]

If nothing dramatic develops under Mosley (for Bamba or WCJ)...I'm good with RoLo and a prospect with upside. Mo/WCJ are just not worth tying up that kind of money given where we are-we need to be able to pivot and jump on opportunities in our rebuild. Steadily filling our cap space with mediocrity will get us right back to where we were. I'm really still hopeful that one of them grabs the job and the other competes enough to have trade value.

As I survey the roster, I still think it may be Isaac-although it would be a shame to lose his insane defensive perimeter work.

[zaymon]

Or we can... not resign any of them and just patch C position with 2022 lottery pick or free agent stop gap player like Zeller, Zubac, Nukric, Valenchuinas or... dump money into player Bamba was promised to be and failed to, Mitchell Robinson.

Considering Suggs, for me the question is, "which of these paths is the best for Suggs' development?"

I think 15M a year for a starting Center, whoever that might be (and I am on record that I do not think Carter or Bamba is starting-quality), must be a path we fans accept.

The going rate for a 8ppg/6rpg Center is north of 10M a year. Sadly that is kind of a fact.

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I think you guys are underestimating WCJ.

If we want to make life easier for Suggs we need to have a center who can screen, who knows how to play DHO, who can pass to cutters from the elbow. WCJ can do all of this while Bamba none. On defense Carter is strong and quick enough to blitz or maybe even switch a little. You can forget about all of that with Bamba.
Unless he wants to earn more than 4/60 i am 100% for extending him. I dont know why we shouldnt bring him back ? He is 22, played with **** guards until now and was injured a lot.

[trebone]

Problem is WCJ hasnt shown he can stay healthy at any point in his NBA career, id rather use our 1st next season on a C if Bamba or WCJ dont show anything or stay healthy this year.

[thelead]

Or we can... not resign any of them and just patch C position with 2022 lottery pick or free agent stop gap player like Zeller, Zubac, Nukric, Valenchuinas or... dump money into player Bamba was promised to be and failed to, Mitchell Robinson.

Considering Suggs, for me the question is, "which of these paths is the best for Suggs' development?"

I think 15M a year for a starting Center, whoever that might be (and I am on record that I do not think Carter or Bamba is starting-quality), must be a path we fans accept.

The going rate for a 8ppg/6rpg Center is north of 10M a year. Sadly that is kind of a fact.

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Boston did not pay him to be an 8ppg/6rpg center. His starting numbers were vastly better. They are banking on him staying healthy.

It’s almost the equivalent to an outsider thinking the same about JI.

[basketballRob]

Bamba has never played with a real playmaker PG. His numbers this year will be north of 20 ppg per 36 mpg

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[pepe1991]

Or we can... not resign any of them and just patch C position with 2022 lottery pick or free agent stop gap player like Zeller, Zubac, Nukric, Valenchuinas or... dump money into player Bamba was promised to be and failed to, Mitchell Robinson.

Considering Suggs, for me the question is, "which of these paths is the best for Suggs' development?"

I think 15M a year for a starting Center, whoever that might be (and I am on record that I do not think Carter or Bamba is starting-quality), must be a path we fans accept.

The going rate for a 8ppg/6rpg Center is north of 10M a year. Sadly that is kind of a fact.

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I think you guys are underestimating WCJ.

If we want to make life easier for Suggs we need to have a center who can screen, who knows how to play DHO, who can pass to cutters from the elbow. WCJ can do all of this while Bamba none. On defense Carter is strong and quick enough to blitz or maybe even switch a little. You can forget about all of that with Bamba.
Unless he wants to earn more than 4/60 i am 100% for extending him. I dont know why we shouldnt bring him back ? He is 22, played with **** guards until now and was injured a lot.

Few thoughts on Wendell.

1) he at average plays less than 50 games a years
2) he has no outside jumper and clogs paint
3) he is undersized and it shows
4) his rebounding numbers are meh

His positional defense is good, but he lacks size to be rim protector. He also never seems to be in peak physical shape, at least by eye test.
Even back with Bulls, he never striked me as anything more than delux Tristan Thompson.

[drsd]

Or we can... not resign any of them and just patch C position with 2022 lottery pick or free agent stop gap player like Zeller, Zubac, Nukric, Valenchuinas or... dump money into player Bamba was promised to be and failed to, Mitchell Robinson.

Considering Suggs, for me the question is, "which of these paths is the best for Suggs' development?"

I think 15M a year for a starting Center, whoever that might be (and I am on record that I do not think Carter or Bamba is starting-quality), must be a path we fans accept.

The going rate for a 8ppg/6rpg Center is north of 10M a year. Sadly that is kind of a fact.

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Boston did not pay him to be an 8ppg/6rpg center. His starting numbers were vastly better. They are banking on him staying healthy.

It’s almost the equivalent to an outsider thinking the same about JI.

My point is that both Carter and Bemba will need “to get paid”. Centers are not cheap. You cannot teach height.

[Bergmaniac]

No way in hell we are paying 10+ ml. per year for a backup centre.

[jonbob17]

Considering Suggs, for me the question is, "which of these paths is the best for Suggs' development?"

I think 15M a year for a starting Center, whoever that might be (and I am on record that I do not think Carter or Bamba is starting-quality), must be a path we fans accept.

The going rate for a 8ppg/6rpg Center is north of 10M a year. Sadly that is kind of a fact.

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Boston did not pay him to be an 8ppg/6rpg center. His starting numbers were vastly better. They are banking on him staying healthy.

It’s almost the equivalent to an outsider thinking the same about JI.

My point is that both Carter and Bemba will need “to get paid”. Centers are not cheap. You cannot teach height.

You can't teach height but there is plenty of it out there, it's only one position, and there are only so many center spots in the world. The contract that worries me is Jarrett Allen, who is clearly much, much better than our guys, but seems like a lot of money for a young, traditional big.

Personally I would look to contracts like Richaun Holmes and Christian Wood on how to build that position on our team. If Bamba shows a little bit of improvement, I think we should bring him back at 5-8M, if he he gets much better then we can talk. If he is the same or worse we can let him be someone else's project.

Maybe even target guys like those above. Christian Wood is still 25, maybe still young enough for our team. Holmes probably too old, but maybe target some rim runners, Mitchell Robinson would be nice. I really like the idea of a guy you don't have to get a lot of touches to and is going to score 10ppg on 65% shooting cleaning up the scraps, all while protecting the rim. Wood is obviously the opposite end of the spectrum, spacing the floor, decent help defender. Find underrated guys that the league constantly sleeps on. Both of these contracts seem like absolute steals.

[zaymon]

Considering Suggs, for me the question is, "which of these paths is the best for Suggs' development?"

I think 15M a year for a starting Center, whoever that might be (and I am on record that I do not think Carter or Bamba is starting-quality), must be a path we fans accept.

The going rate for a 8ppg/6rpg Center is north of 10M a year. Sadly that is kind of a fact.

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I think you guys are underestimating WCJ.

If we want to make life easier for Suggs we need to have a center who can screen, who knows how to play DHO, who can pass to cutters from the elbow. WCJ can do all of this while Bamba none. On defense Carter is strong and quick enough to blitz or maybe even switch a little. You can forget about all of that with Bamba.
Unless he wants to earn more than 4/60 i am 100% for extending him. I dont know why we shouldnt bring him back ? He is 22, played with **** guards until now and was injured a lot.

Few thoughts on Wendell.

1) he at average plays less than 50 games a years
2) he has no outside jumper and clogs paint
3) he is undersized and it shows
4) his rebounding numbers are meh

His positional defense is good, but he lacks size to be rim protector. He also never seems to be in peak physical shape, at least by eye test.
Even back with Bulls, he never striked me as anything more than delux Tristan Thompson.

His injuries are obviously worrisome but also he never got into a rhytm, there could be a lot of untapped potential.
He was coming into the league as a potential shooter, his ft% is good, and he has a midrange game. He will space the floor with time
He is a little bit undersized, but he is strong and he has quick feet which is more important in my opinion. Strong dudes are good defenders even without elite length or speed like Draymond, Marc Gasol, Ben Wallace, Tucker.
Rebounding could be better but we have great rebounding guards, Carter first assignment will be to box out, also Isaac is good compliment.
Thompson won a ring so deluxe Thompson on fair deal is a good asset.

[OrlandO]

Whenever I read here the "Any Center will do" comments, I take note of stories like:

8.0 points, 6.9 rebounds, 1.8 assists and 1.8 blocks in 18.9 minutes per game is worth 13.5M a year
The Brinks truck arrives: Robert Williams, Celtics Agree To Four-Year, $54M Extension

Either Carter or Bamba will probably get a 4 year 70M deal, and if not traded, the other something more like the Williams' deal. Orlando will soon invest something like 30M a year in their two Centers.


..

Or we can... not resign any of them and just patch C position with 2022 lottery pick or free agent stop gap player like Zeller, Zubac, Nukric, Valenchuinas or... dump money into player Bamba was promised to be and failed to, Mitchell Robinson.

Even if they fail to impress, dumping both would mean admitting too much failure. Weltman is married to at least one of them.

[yoyojw17]

28-30 mil a year for both Mo and WCj and i'll be down. I like both of their potential an personally would like to have the center position set for the future. The both have different strengths which is what makes it intriguing. Add in Isaac as a small ball C.... and i'll be a happy camper.