Olympics - OQT

[Rainwater]

Call this a crazy take but I really believe that Paolo and Edwards are going to be the best American players in four years and lead the Americans to gold.

[eyriq]

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[T-Cat]

Call this a crazy take but I really believe that Paolo and Edwards are going to be the best American players in four years and lead the Americans to gold.

Steph Curry is amazing! Team USA could have used a Jonathan Isaac though

[pepe1991]

Comparing the future US to this years US is irrelevant because they are not competing against each other.

What we are doing is comparing the future US vs Futire France.

It is way more “foolish” to say France is will have “massive dominance” over US.

France will have 5 lottery selected players in 4 years, US will have 20 in that period.

Wemby is awesome and the rest of the world is getting better so we should see more competitive battles for the gold from now on but…..

You were a little overzealous when you said France will be massively dominant over US.

I guess my word framing wasn't good/ smart. Massive domination is strong word. But they should be really good. And Victor had way more "mega-stardom" in him than any current US player that is under age of 30.

And, IMO, US upcomming stars lack mega-stardom that Curry, Durant, Lebron had in past 15 years.
Even last Olympic games, without Durant there would be no gold for team US. Guy scored 29 out of 87 points in 5 points win vs France.
Vs Serbia Curry had crazy game to put them over a hump few days ago and once again it was heavy lifting of Lebron/Curry/Durant.

We already saw how team US looks without mega stars.
2019- loss vs Serbia, loss vs France , they ended up 7th.
2023- same story. 4th place.

I don't know. Nobody under age of 30 on team US really wows me. I guess that's why there is only one US player in current top 5 basketball players. ( and it's probably still Lebron, not Embiid)

Thing is pepe.... how sure are we the FRA up-and-comers would even pan out? I remember when I too had high hopes when Hayes and Frank came into the league and they just busted out.

Victor of course is on his way to wrest Luka/Jokic's #1 in the world especially if both are content to just cruise and won't improve.

However, these new guys Sarr, Risch ,Coulibay etc etc could go anywhere in a few years to the MAX rookie extension talks to the open spot in Dwight /Cousins Taiwan basketball team.

Let's not mention the young guys of both SER and GER who are being developed. Topic, Djurisic also have the same potential as those French guys and the GER guys could finally replace the undersized Theis and the tiff Voightmann

France simply has more influx of talent than any other nation not named US right now, and US has unique problem of creating top 5 players in the world ( Embiid shouldn't be playing for them, but despite fact he did, that team was carried by 3 megastars that will now retire from national taem, and soon from nba ).

how sure are we the FRA up-and-comers would even pan out?

Can you find last draft where 1#,2# ( and 6#) all busted out?
Coulibaly looks fine to me, he is 20.
Nolan Traore is projected to gop 5 in 2025, draft that is viewed one of better drafts.


Is it possible to all of them bust out? Yea. But that's not probable. They don't need another mega-superstar. Just amount of solid players to pack enough punch to put around Victor. Victor showed yesterday that he is in league of his own.

On personal note, i belive Zaccharie Risacher can be star.

[pepe1991]

There is good chance you have better physicque than best basketball player in the world

[RookieStar]

I guess my word framing wasn't good/ smart. Massive domination is strong word. But they should be really good. And Victor had way more "mega-stardom" in him than any current US player that is under age of 30.

And, IMO, US upcomming stars lack mega-stardom that Curry, Durant, Lebron had in past 15 years.
Even last Olympic games, without Durant there would be no gold for team US. Guy scored 29 out of 87 points in 5 points win vs France.
Vs Serbia Curry had crazy game to put them over a hump few days ago and once again it was heavy lifting of Lebron/Curry/Durant.

We already saw how team US looks without mega stars.
2019- loss vs Serbia, loss vs France , they ended up 7th.
2023- same story. 4th place.

I don't know. Nobody under age of 30 on team US really wows me. I guess that's why there is only one US player in current top 5 basketball players. ( and it's probably still Lebron, not Embiid)

Thing is pepe.... how sure are we the FRA up-and-comers would even pan out? I remember when I too had high hopes when Hayes and Frank came into the league and they just busted out.

Victor of course is on his way to wrest Luka/Jokic's #1 in the world especially if both are content to just cruise and won't improve.


However, these new guys Sarr, Risch ,Coulibay etc etc could go anywhere in a few years to the MAX rookie extension talks to the open spot in Dwight /Cousins Taiwan basketball team.

Let's not mention the young guys of both SER and GER who are being developed. Topic, Djurisic also have the same potential as those French guys and the GER guys could finally replace the undersized Theis and the tiff Voightmann

France simply has more influx of talent than any other nation not named US right now, and US has unique problem of creating top 5 players in the world ( Embiid shouldn't be playing for them, but despite fact he did, that team was carried by 3 megastars that will now retire from national taem, and soon from nba ).

how sure are we the FRA up-and-comers would even pan out?

Can you find last draft where 1#,2# ( and 6#) all busted out?
Coulibaly looks fine to me, he is 20.
Nolan Traore is projected to gop 5 in 2025, draft that is viewed one of better drafts.


Is it possible to all of them bust out? Yea. But that's not probable. They don't need another mega-superstar. Just amount of solid players to pack enough punch to put around Victor. Victor showed yesterday that he is in league of his own.

On personal note, i belive Zaccharie Risacher can be star.

Influx of talent? I would think 2 of those teams like GER and SER have some very decent 17yrs old and above being developed right now. Although thats based on the info in the GB where its being asked who are those playing probably in 2028.

And if we are talking about players in prime for 2028, theres my very own CAN qnd hopefully Eddey is gonna pan out. Shai and RJ will.be in their primes and we will have a low post threat for Shai to throw it to.

I still believed that FRA would not have even come.out the group stage of they werent the beneficiary of that homecooked whistle.

[pepe1991]

Thing is pepe.... how sure are we the FRA up-and-comers would even pan out? I remember when I too had high hopes when Hayes and Frank came into the league and they just busted out.

Victor of course is on his way to wrest Luka/Jokic's #1 in the world especially if both are content to just cruise and won't improve.


However, these new guys Sarr, Risch ,Coulibay etc etc could go anywhere in a few years to the MAX rookie extension talks to the open spot in Dwight /Cousins Taiwan basketball team.

Let's not mention the young guys of both SER and GER who are being developed. Topic, Djurisic also have the same potential as those French guys and the GER guys could finally replace the undersized Theis and the tiff Voightmann

France simply has more influx of talent than any other nation not named US right now, and US has unique problem of creating top 5 players in the world ( Embiid shouldn't be playing for them, but despite fact he did, that team was carried by 3 megastars that will now retire from national taem, and soon from nba ).

how sure are we the FRA up-and-comers would even pan out?

Can you find last draft where 1#,2# ( and 6#) all busted out?
Coulibaly looks fine to me, he is 20.
Nolan Traore is projected to gop 5 in 2025, draft that is viewed one of better drafts.


Is it possible to all of them bust out? Yea. But that's not probable. They don't need another mega-superstar. Just amount of solid players to pack enough punch to put around Victor. Victor showed yesterday that he is in league of his own.

On personal note, i belive Zaccharie Risacher can be star.

Influx of talent? I would think 2 of those teams like GER and SER have some very decent 17yrs old and above being developed right now. Although thats based on the info in the GB where its being asked who are those playing probably in 2028.

And if we are talking about players in prime for 2028, theres my very own CAN qnd hopefully Eddey is gonna pan out. Shai and RJ will.be in their primes and we will have a low post threat for Shai to throw it to.

I still believed that FRA would not have even come.out the group stage of they werent the beneficiary of that homecooked whistle.

Yes, if one country gives you:
2023 : 1# pick, 8th pick
2024: 1# pick , 2# pick, 6#pick
2025: probably top 5 pick ( + top 15 pick )

7 lottery picks in time frame of 3 seasons, that's influx of talent.

Jokic is 29 we don't know how he will look like 4 years from now, Bogdan is 32 already.

Germany has no backup PG for Schroder who tends to be their best player every tournament, he is 31.


Canda is good team, but not great, and France already beat them 5 days ago.

I still believed that FRA would not have even come.out the group stage of they werent the beneficiary of that homecooked whistle.

This is their back to back silver medal at Olympics. It ain't fluke. They also won silver on Eurobasket 2022.
In both Olympic finals vs US; US was saved by players who are now goners :Lebron, Curry , Durant ( or all 3, last night )



Whole refs help is overblown, that and+1 for France vs Japan was identical call that Japan got in same quater 7 min earlier. 3+1 with hardly any contact. ( plus, Rui is moron for ejecting himself, not brightest player out there )

France will have to do some changes. De Colo is probably gone, so is Gobert ( but he is pretty meh under FIBA rules ). I don't know what will happen with Evan, he is also 32 now.
But guess who won U20 Eurobasket this year? France
Guess who is 2-0 with 30 points win marigns in U16 Eurobasket that is ongoing ? France


Just for argument sake, i have no reason to root for France nor i have any bias toward them, but if Victor is 80% of Jokic on offense and 95% of Gobert, and his supporting cast is better than Serbia's in future AND team US is nowhere near as elite as it was while Lebron was there, i just don't see reasons why not to pick France over any other team in 4-10 years frame.
Especially because France will probably produce more than 1 allstar ( due sheer number of players they produce )

[RookieStar]

Well... the ones who won U-18 is GER right? Lol

Anyhoo... Jokic isnt really using his athelticism so even if he is 32 i still think he produces the same. The question is really if he still wants to play bball.

Also.. if you believe or if those college kids wants to play for their country, based on NCAA rankings, GER has 3 ( i didnt even know they were German TBH) upcoming NCAA and by extension NBA lotto picks in 25 and 26.

Too many has commented on the FRA homecooking. Aside from that JPN game where the calls were so blatant, against CAN they had 42 foul call in 40mins of game time. I mean thats..... but yeah water under the bridge. In LA 28 i dont think they can depend on that friendly whistle. Thye can go as far as Wemby takes them.

[p0peye]

Anyhoo... Jokic isnt really using his athelticism so even if he is 32 i still think he produces the same. The question is really if he still wants to play bball.

The way team celebrates this bronze tells me this Olympics might have been a swan song for this generation and Serbia might be looking to start rebuilding starting from next year's Eurobasket.

[pepe1991]

Well... the ones who won U-18 is GER right? Lol

Anyhoo... Jokic isnt really using his athelticism so even if he is 32 i still think he produces the same. The question is really if he still wants to play bball.

Also.. if you believe or if those college kids wants to play for their country, based on NCAA rankings, GER has 3 ( i didnt even know they were German TBH) upcoming NCAA and by extension NBA lotto picks in 25 and 26.

Too many has commented on the FRA homecooking. Aside from that JPN game where the calls were so blatant, against CAN they had 42 foul call in 40mins of game time. I mean thats..... but yeah water under the bridge. In LA 28 i dont think they can depend on that friendly whistle. Thye can go as far as Wemby takes them.

Too many has commented on the FRA homecooking. Aside from that JPN game where the calls were so blatant, against CAN they had 42 foul call in 40mins of game time.

This simply isn't true.
France fouls commited 24.
Canda fouls commited 26

Canda commited more fouls (27) vs Greece, they also commited lot of fouls vs Spain and Australia (16 & 18) . In first game vs France there was also sh** loud of fouling ( 25 France, 27 Canda).

I have no clue where did you dig 42 fouls .

Canda plays on verge of foul ( at least by Fiba rules) so this isn't really nothing new. Last year vs Serbia in semi finals they had 25 fouls as well



As for Germany and u18 team, i didn't follow too much ( basketball youth teams are notorious for falling apart and going nowhere, my Croatian team had u19 MVP , won bronze at world cup 2009 , and whole generation had 0 good seniors ) but i know that MVP was guy from Israel, kid averaged 28 ppg and is viewed as next big thing.

Time will tell

[VFX]

There is good chance you have better physicque than best basketball player in the world

Literally doesn’t matter. Jokic is 100% skill based as are some of the best NBA players.

There are more examples of Uber unskilled athletes with the bodies of a Ferrari that suck massively. G-league guys all fit this category.

[eyriq]

I can see Canada, France, Germany, and the USA in the final four in '28.

[p0peye]

There is good chance you have better physicque than best basketball player in the world

Bolje biti pijan, nego all-star...

[p0peye]

[RookieStar]

Anyhoo... Jokic isnt really using his athelticism so even if he is 32 i still think he produces the same. The question is really if he still wants to play bball.

The way team celebrates this bronze tells me this Olympics might have been a swan song for this generation and Serbia might be looking to start rebuilding starting from next year's Eurobasket.

There is no rebuild as long as Jokic is still willing to play. More like reload.

This guy Petrusiv-something.. I was pretty high on him during draft. He was one of the Garza, Huff trio that I wanted for our SRP. 7ft shooting C lol

[RookieStar]

Well... the ones who won U-18 is GER right? Lol

Anyhoo... Jokic isnt really using his athelticism so even if he is 32 i still think he produces the same. The question is really if he still wants to play bball.

Also.. if you believe or if those college kids wants to play for their country, based on NCAA rankings, GER has 3 ( i didnt even know they were German TBH) upcoming NCAA and by extension NBA lotto picks in 25 and 26.

Too many has commented on the FRA homecooking. Aside from that JPN game where the calls were so blatant, against CAN they had 42 foul call in 40mins of game time. I mean thats..... but yeah water under the bridge. In LA 28 i dont think they can depend on that friendly whistle. Thye can go as far as Wemby takes them.

Too many has commented on the FRA homecooking. Aside from that JPN game where the calls were so blatant, against CAN they had 42 foul call in 40mins of game time.

This simply isn't true.
France fouls commited 24.
Canda fouls commited 26

Canda commited more fouls (27) vs Greece, they also commited lot of fouls vs Spain and Australia (16 & 18) . In first game vs France there was also sh** loud of fouling ( 25 France, 27 Canda).

I have no clue where did you dig 42 fouls .

Canda plays on verge of foul ( at least by Fiba rules) so this isn't really nothing new. Last year vs Serbia in semi finals they had 25 fouls as well



As for Germany and u18 team, i didn't follow too much ( basketball youth teams are notorious for falling apart and going nowhere, my Croatian team had u19 MVP , won bronze at world cup 2009 , and whole generation had 0 good seniors ) but i know that MVP was guy from Israel, kid averaged 28 ppg and is viewed as next big thing.

Time will tell

I just read it in a PG thread. Despite my intention to watch it, my body couldn't ( sleep ) and after watching the 1st quarter replay and knowing the outcome, just didn't bother to watch anymore. Apologies if what I read regarding number of fouls was wrong. Didn't bother to check the stats anymore.

[RookieStar]

I can see Canada, France, Germany, and the USA in the final four in '28.

I dunno... im thinking SER and LIT could crash that party on that F4 spot outside USA

[eyriq]

I can see Canada, France, Germany, and the USA in the final four in '28.

I dunno... im thinking SER and LIT could crash that party on that F4 spot outside USA

Eurobasket next season is going to be fun

[p0peye]

Anyhoo... Jokic isnt really using his athelticism so even if he is 32 i still think he produces the same. The question is really if he still wants to play bball.

The way team celebrates this bronze tells me this Olympics might have been a swan song for this generation and Serbia might be looking to start rebuilding starting from next year's Eurobasket.

There is no rebuild as long as Jokic is still willing to play. More like reload.

This guy Petrusiv-something.. I was pretty high on him during draft. He was one of the Garza, Huff trio that I wanted for our SRP. 7ft shooting C lol

in an interview from last year, after winning silver medal at WC, Bogdan called this Olympics as Last Dance for this generation.

[eyriq]

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