2024-2025 Regular Season Game 51: Orlando Magic (24-26) at Golden State Warriors (24-24) - 10pm

[SOUL]

The guy has been back playing NBA games for almost a month at this point, man.

It's been well over a month in total when you factor in they gave him two weeks of scrimmaging for the sole purpose of reconditioning.

When should we expect him to be in shape and not rusty?

His play has gotten progressive worse over the last 10-ish days compared to the first two weeks he was back too.

I think they said Desmond Bane (the last person really documented with an oblique) as well as Lillard took like a month to look the same.

It's not even the shot being off, it's him looking slower and unable to get past people and finishing even weaker than before. Clearly that seems like conditioning.

Unfortunately, I think it'll take basically until this summer to really build up that confidence again post-injury, but I think the all-star break will at least help clear his mind a bit and hopefully get conditioning at least close to what it was earlier in the year.

Some people suck for extended periods of time even without injuries. Haliburton looked off for like 5 months.

[Rainwater]

Soo uhh AB got benched think that’s obvious. Did he see a 2nd half minute?

Yeah, and he fumbled the ball out of bounds then got benched.

Jett did more than him in under 5 minutes.

It's kinda sad because Jett really didn't do much either, lol. I am trying my best to be patient with Black, but the two 2023 draft picks should have been traded.

[eyriq]

Not Mr. 60%TS and 30% USG!

Did you finally stop your anti-Franz crusade?

Damn, a 30-gm sample size has already made you forget game 7? Plus, we're now 3 games under .500.

So you love Cole and hate Franz and Paolo?

[SHAQ32]

Damn, we couldn't have offered Paolo or Franz for Luka? C'mon, NBA!

[SOUL]

Damn, a 30-gm sample size has already made you forget game 7? Plus, we're now 3 games under .500.

Franz basically has a 261 game sample size of a really good player with 1 or 2 bad playoff games and his three point shot being a weakness.

[thelead]

Hard for me to really accept the "he's not healthy" thing with Paolo when he's had a handful of good games sprinkled in with all the garbage.

If he was too hurt to be effective, it stands to reason he'd have had zero good games, ya know?

Why would it be that black and white though? At the end of the day he's a #1 pick that has had a ton of great games, he can get off with talent alone especially when adrenaline is running high.

But then lack of conditioning and rustiness also not helping at all. Doesn't mean he's "hurt" - just the lows are going to be way lower than we've seen.

The guy has been back playing NBA games for almost a month at this point, man.

It's been well over a month in total when you factor in they gave him two weeks of scrimmaging for the sole purpose of reconditioning.

When should we expect him to be in shape and not rusty?

His play has gotten progressive worse over the last 10-ish days compared to the first two weeks he was back too.

Desmond Bane missed 6 games with a much more mild oblique strain and when he came back his splits were 35/24/68 for the month of November.

[Optimus_Steel]

Magic have lost 15 of the last 20

Not great Weltman

Play the season out, this is clearly a lottery team, get a lottery pick and go all in on major structural changes over the summer using our assets.

[bigshawn]

We have to trade for a PG. That's what we do with Paolo. I'm an AB supporter but if he won't get aggressive then we have to use him to get a real PG to run our putrid offense. We need a PG to take the ball out of Paolo's hands because it just sticks, and he plays way to soft for a 6'10" 250 lb person.

[Bensational]

You can't challenge something that isn't called.

They called the foul, so challenge that? But they called it as no gather and sideline. Challenge that and when they review the play they either give FTs or they call it a flagrant as it should’ve been in the first place.

I don't think that's how it works lol. Refs can review it without challenging.

Yeah that’s how it works. It’s happened both for us and against us that when refs reviewed a challenged call they have noticed a missed call prior to the event in question.

Mosley had an extra challenge, Green wrapped Paolo up above the shoulders from behind which should have been an automatic non-basketball foul call. But Mosley sat on it instead. I dunno, maybe they figured Paolo had better odds with a 2nd shot attempt instead of FTs?

[SHAQ32]

Damn, a 30-gm sample size has already made you forget game 7? Plus, we're now 3 games under .500.

Franz basically has a 261 game sample size of a really good player with 1 or 2 bad playoff games and his three point shot being a weakness.

Franz beats up on weaker teams, and until he proves otherwise, that will continue to be his MO.

[SOUL]

I mean, Paolo has had 7 free throws in his last 3 games and is 0-16 from three.

[Idiosyncratic]

Yeah obliques can linger. I do think Paolo has issues to work out even when healthy, but the current performance is so insanely bad that he has to not be right physically I think.

For all of our warts you cannot win with someone taking as many shots as him at his current efficiency.

[SOUL]

Mosley had an extra challenge, Green wrapped Paolo up above the shoulders from behind which should have been an automatic non-basketball foul call. But Mosley sat on it instead. I dunno, maybe they figured Paolo had better odds with a 2nd shot attempt instead of FTs?

I think you're wrong on this lol. You're right on you can challenge a play and refs can find something else to call about it, you can even cause enough stink on the floor so that they review it for a flagrant.. but it's not like they can refuse, you call a challenge, and then they say, "Oh, okay, we'll look for a flagrant now."

No non-call challenges:
This means you cannot challenge a play where a referee missed a potential foul, including a flagrant foul."

[Bensational]

This might be a stupid question, but why don’t Paolo and Franz ever run PnR together? It’s always just screens to get switches.

[thelead]

With all of my defense of Paolo, he's now at... gulp... 50% TS%... jesus help us all

[KillMonger]

This might be a stupid question, but why don’t Paolo and Franz ever run PnR together? It’s always just screens to get switches.

Gotta ask mose that he calls the plays

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[eyriq]

This might be a stupid question, but why don’t Paolo and Franz ever run PnR together? It’s always just screens to get switches.

I think it's about the action not generating an advantage on the switch

[thelead]

This might be a stupid question, but why don’t Paolo and Franz ever run PnR together? It’s always just screens to get switches.

I think it's about the action not generating an advantage on the switch

this... and neither can shoot if the defense messes up

[Bensational]

Mosley had an extra challenge, Green wrapped Paolo up above the shoulders from behind which should have been an automatic non-basketball foul call. But Mosley sat on it instead. I dunno, maybe they figured Paolo had better odds with a 2nd shot attempt instead of FTs?

I think you're wrong on this lol. You're right on you can challenge a play and refs can find something else to call about it, you can even cause enough stink on the floor so that they review it for a flagrant.. but it's not like they can refuse, you call a challenge, and then they say, "Oh, okay, we'll look for a flagrant now."

No non-call challenges:
This means you cannot challenge a play where a referee missed a potential foul, including a flagrant foul."

They called the foul not in the act of shooting, so you challenge to say it was in the act of shooting.

Those calls happen all the time. There’s nothing unique about this situation?

[RookieStar]

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