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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#381 » by outlawmarx » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:15 pm

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outlawmarx wrote:Holly cow? How's he on the defense? Those are "braided Cole" numbers, right?


I mean... he's small.

6'0" 1/2 barefoot. Only 178 pounds.

Wingspan is very good for his height, 6'6" wingspan, but realistically he's very likely going to be a one position defender. If he works hard at it and builds his body, he can hopefully be just a run of the mill slightly negative defender.

What you're hoping for is that he's not bottom of the league bad because if you're absolutely awful defensively, you have to be a 90-95 percentile offensive player to make up for it like a Jalen Brunson or Trae Young and I don't think Richardson has that kind of talent offensively.

But if he can just be regular ole below average defensively, he should be fine.

We cant forget that it s the 25th pick we are talking about, a 9/10th man at best, so it s not bad
If he doesn't dive into ankles and slap down players under the rim I'll take him! Love you Cole, but those were some scary times...

Btw, I saw what you did there...
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#382 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:18 pm

Skybox wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
Skybox wrote:
LOL I know...

His wingspan is 2" beyond Bane's ...he's among the most efficient finishers at the rim in NCAA - that means he knows how to use every inch of it. He's also 19yo...imagine drafting him at #25 and he grows 2" :D
He's not going to get bigger.

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Once again, your certainty about things you know absolutely nothing about is impressive.

I grew 6" in college
I'm pointing out that players rarely change size after they are drafted. It's just like everyone saying Chet would gain 40 lbs after he was drafted. My concern about Jase is that he's light, too. He's 1 inch smaller and 9 lbs lighter than Cole.

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#383 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:23 pm

Jase is almost Mcclung's size. Mcclung is the same weight, about 1" taller, but has a 4" smaller wingspan.

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#384 » by Knightro » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:24 pm

cedric76 wrote:We cant forget that it s the 25th pick we are talking about, a 9/10th man at best, so it s not bad


Oh I completely agree.

At pick 25 Richardson would be a no brainer for me. The shooting, the efficiency, the intelligence, the pedigree all at such a young age in a very strong conference is just very appealing to me. I don't see how he isn't at least a capable role player with his ability to make threes and play smart basketball.

If *everything* goes right, and he hits every possible developmental checkmark, you can squint hard and see a Jalen Brunson kind of perfect outcome. Now the possibility of that might be extremely faint, but I don't think it's totally outrageous.

Obviously anyone could completely flame out for a variety of reasons, but it feels his lower end outcome is a better catch-and-shoot version of Cam Payne. And Payne played 22 MPG on a team that won 64 games when he was 27 and in his prime, ya know?

But somewhere in the middle of those two would be a great outcome for a late first rounder.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#385 » by YosemiteSam » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:25 pm

Any Mock Draft after pick #15 is basically a crapshoot. The general players by range may match OK, but who takes whom is so in flux that they are just throwing darts
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#386 » by Knightro » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:26 pm

basketballRob wrote:Jase is almost Mcclung's size. Mcclung is the same weight, about 1" taller, but has a 4" smaller wingspan.

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So not at all similarly sized? 4 inches of wingspan is a dramatic difference.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#387 » by Skybox » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:29 pm

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Skybox wrote:
basketballRob wrote:He's not going to get bigger.

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Once again, your certainty about things you know absolutely nothing about is impressive.

I grew 6" in college
I'm pointing out that players rarely change size after they are drafted. It's just like everyone saying Chet would gain 40 lbs after he was drafted. My concern about Jase is that he's light, too. He's 1 inch smaller and 9 lbs lighter than Cole.

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So learn to say "rarely" or "I think" or "it's unusual" if that's what you mean...words matter.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#388 » by Skybox » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:31 pm

YosemiteSam wrote:Any Mock Draft after pick #15 is basically a crapshoot. The general players by range may match OK, but who takes whom is so in flux that they are just throwing darts


This year is nuts...maybe even from 3 on - it doesn't even appear that Bailey is a lock. Fun stuff but maddening.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#389 » by Knightro » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:38 pm

Skybox wrote:
YosemiteSam wrote:Any Mock Draft after pick #15 is basically a crapshoot. The general players by range may match OK, but who takes whom is so in flux that they are just throwing darts


This year is nuts...maybe even from 3 on - it doesn't even appear that Bailey is a lock. Fun stuff but maddening.


I don't think Bailey is going 3 at all for whatever that's worth. At least not to Philadelphia.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#390 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:56 pm

Knightro wrote:
Skybox wrote:
YosemiteSam wrote:Any Mock Draft after pick #15 is basically a crapshoot. The general players by range may match OK, but who takes whom is so in flux that they are just throwing darts


This year is nuts...maybe even from 3 on - it doesn't even appear that Bailey is a lock. Fun stuff but maddening.


I don't think Bailey is going 3 at all for whatever that's worth. At least not to Philadelphia.


What do you think it would take to get him this draft?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#391 » by tiderulz » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:58 pm

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Skybox wrote:
basketballRob wrote:He's not going to get bigger.

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Once again, your certainty about things you know absolutely nothing about is impressive.

I grew 6" in college
I'm pointing out that players rarely change size after they are drafted. It's just like everyone saying Chet would gain 40 lbs after he was drafted. My concern about Jase is that he's light, too. He's 1 inch smaller and 9 lbs lighter than Cole.

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ehh, ive seen plenty of players gain an inch or 2 when drafted after their freshman year. and 10+ pounds.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#392 » by Knightro » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:04 pm

sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:
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Skybox wrote:
This year is nuts...maybe even from 3 on - it doesn't even appear that Bailey is a lock. Fun stuff but maddening.


I don't think Bailey is going 3 at all for whatever that's worth. At least not to Philadelphia.


What do you think it would take to get him this draft?


Oh the Magic have no chance to get him.

I think Philadelphia is willing to trade out of 3 and drop down to 5, 6, 7 or 8 and pick up another first or a player.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#393 » by The Effect » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:07 pm

Knightro wrote:
The Effect wrote:Whats the hype on Flemming?

I mean i get he does some things very well, but the guy has no handles, like at all. Hes not doing much in the nba on offense except catch lobs or shooting open threes. Hes basically Jonathan Isaac on offense, which is just not good


If Isaac made 39% of his three pointers, no one would want to get rid of him :lol:

i mean he made like 35% in college, which is higher than Fleming did his first 2 years (29% and 32%)

for his college career, fleming made 34.9% on 3.3 attempts
In college, Isaac shot 34.8 on 2.8 attempts

So.... :dontknow:

Like i said, he can make the assisted open 3 and catch lobs, dont see anything else he can do on offense thats above average. Cant handle\dribble, not much of a post player...so i stand by my isaac on offense comp

Now, if you tell me hes prime Isaac on defense, which he doesnt have the height but does have the wingspan to be, and we can dump isaac and use that cap space somewhere else, then cool, bring him in....Is that the case? (not being sarcastic, asking if its a possibility)
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#394 » by The Effect » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:10 pm

Knightro wrote:
Skybox wrote:
YosemiteSam wrote:Any Mock Draft after pick #15 is basically a crapshoot. The general players by range may match OK, but who takes whom is so in flux that they are just throwing darts


This year is nuts...maybe even from 3 on - it doesn't even appear that Bailey is a lock. Fun stuff but maddening.


I don't think Bailey is going 3 at all for whatever that's worth. At least not to Philadelphia.


Its crazy that no matter who you ask after 1 or 2 will give you a different name for 3rd. Like personally if i had the 3rd pick i would be taking Tre Johnson (i think i might even take him at 2 over Harper?) but if you told me he went 8th or 9th, it wouldnt even shock me
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#395 » by Orl_Magic » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:39 pm

YosemiteSam wrote:Any Mock Draft after pick #15 is basically a crapshoot. The general players by range may match OK, but who takes whom is so in flux that they are just throwing darts



After 8th pick its a crapshoot with some high floor guys sprinkled in
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#396 » by RichCollab » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:42 pm

Skybox wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
Skybox wrote:
LOL I know...

His wingspan is 2" beyond Bane's ...he's among the most efficient finishers at the rim in NCAA - that means he knows how to use every inch of it. He's also 19yo...imagine drafting him at #25 and he grows 2" :D
He's not going to get bigger.

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Once again, your certainty about things you know absolutely nothing about is impressive.

I grew 6" in college



How much did you grow in the NBA?

You must have found some strong weed.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#397 » by dsg2021 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:59 pm

Idiosyncratic wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
If Miami contends it will have nothing to do with Clayton. Rookies are almost always negatives in the first year. Even top 15 players like Durant.


After years and years of Orlando drafting high, you'd have thought people would notice this fact. Rookies are terrible. The only archetype that really provides anything of use at all are the very occasional upperclassman shooters with some defence, who can come in and provide some bench firepower on a contending roster.

In general though, rookies suck and they dont help at all. They're development projects for future seasons.


Yeah this is mostly true, but I will add that quite a few young bigs have been coming in pretty productive lately as well. Rookie Kessler and Lively were monsters. Edey, Clingan solid rotation guys. Ware, Filipowski, Missi, Post, Mark Williams and TJD were playable. All of those within the last 3 years, not many super high picks in the bunch.


100% agreed. Unless we see serious BPA into 6MOTY or All Star with these undersized guards, we need to get a Big at #25, give or take trading up or down a little maybe, and nothing else.

I am smashing my head into the table looking at NBA bigs and not finding any who are clear upgrades over Wendell except for maybe Porzingis. But KP might need a trade package that is too much and its also a “only if we go hardcore on not playing our injury-prone label guys as much minutes”, 2-8 regular season wins be damned by it. Instead of playing the starters too much for those 2-8 extra regular season wins.

I think Kalkbrenner has maybe no perimeter switching defense, but has great defensive presence in the paint and some 3 point shooting range. He is still taller, more wingspan, and lighter than both Wendell/Mo which means maybe he can find his ways to defend perimeter switches better and better over time. For reference, Nic Claxton has had seasons with a rating of elite perimeter defense from a Big, and he does it at 6’11 with 7’3 wingspan and 215 lbs weight only. Same thing with Jonathan Isaac at 6’11 or 7’0 with 7’2 wingspan and 230 lbs weight only
Kalkbrenner is 7’1 with 7’6 wingspan and 235 lbs weight only. I’m getting to the point of let’s trade for BRK’s #19 for Kalkbrenner since they have to pick four players in the 1st as it is. Maybe we can flip them Goga or Jett for mostly cap relief too.

Then Maxime Raynaud in the same #20’s area of the draft has a complete offensive package with even more 3 point confidence. The pseudo-scouting I’ve found and seen so far says he has elite level passing and offensive IQ that people are not seeing from the boxscore sheet. He weighs less than Wendell/Mo again, is taller than Wendell but his wingspan falls short to Wendell’s.
Maxime is 7’1 with 7’1 wingspan and 236 lbs weight only.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#398 » by Bensational » Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:45 pm

Skybox wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
Skybox wrote:
LOL I know...

His wingspan is 2" beyond Bane's ...he's among the most efficient finishers at the rim in NCAA - that means he knows how to use every inch of it. He's also 19yo...imagine drafting him at #25 and he grows 2" :D
He's not going to get bigger.

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Once again, your certainty about things you know absolutely nothing about is impressive.

I grew 6" in college


Ryan Nembhard is 22, not 19. He measured 5’11 barefoot with a 6’2 wingspan at the combine. He’s not in college anymore and his physical growth is done.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0 

Post#399 » by Skybox » Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:49 pm

Bensational wrote:
Skybox wrote:
basketballRob wrote:He's not going to get bigger.

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Once again, your certainty about things you know absolutely nothing about is impressive.

I grew 6" in college


Ryan Nembhard is 22, not 19. He measured 5’11 barefoot with a 6’2 wingspan at the combine. He’s not in college anymore and his physical growth is done.


Ok...we were discussing Jase
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Post#400 » by Bensational » Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:58 pm

Skybox wrote:
Bensational wrote:
Skybox wrote:
Once again, your certainty about things you know absolutely nothing about is impressive.

I grew 6" in college


Ryan Nembhard is 22, not 19. He measured 5’11 barefoot with a 6’2 wingspan at the combine. He’s not in college anymore and his physical growth is done.


Ok...we were discussing Jase


No... you weren't.

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Bensational wrote:Ryan Nembhard is climbing my list after watching his brother do big things for Indy.


I'd absolutely jump on that if he's there at #57...


LOL

Ryan is another just 6’ guard.


basketballRob wrote:
Skybox wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
LOL

Ryan is another just 6’ guard.


LOL I know...

His wingspan is 2" beyond Bane's ...he's among the most efficient finishers at the rim in NCAA - that means he knows how to use every inch of it. He's also 19yo...imagine drafting him at #25 and he grows 2" :D
He's not going to get bigger.

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