Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #3901 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:41 pm

basketballRob wrote:KCP is better than Simons in most advanced stats.

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What about the main one where you put the ball through the basket?

basketballRob · Post #3902 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:44 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
basketballRob wrote:KCP is better than Simons in most advanced stats.

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What about the main one where you put the ball through the basket?

If you score 10 and give up 12, who wins?

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Post #3903 » by **eyriq** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:53 pm

The Simons trade I've settled on as the most likely is Cole, JI, and a future top 10 protected first. JI is a great defensive piece for their build on a declining salary, Cole is effectively an expiring contract, and they get a first rounder.

Skybox · Post #3904 » by **Skybox** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 1:12 pm

basketballRob wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
basketballRob wrote:KCP is better than Simons in most advanced stats.

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What about the main one where you put the ball through the basket?
If you score 10 and give up 12, who wins?

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defense is a collective effort...presently, we have a handful of guys that can, presumably, stop 20 and only put up 3...but, as a team, we struggle to ever approach league average ppg. We have way too much of a good thing and nowhere near enough of the other types of necessities.

TEAM construction is what we lack, not guys that don't have any basketball value (especially remote advanced stats type of value vs like making baskets)

basketballRob · Post #3905 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 1:23 pm

Skybox wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:What about the main one where you put the ball through the basket?
If you score 10 and give up 12, who wins?

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defense is a collective effort...presently, we have a handful of guys that can, presumably, stop 20 and only put up 3...but, as a team, we struggle to ever approach league average ppg. We have way too much of a good thing and nowhere near enough of the other types of necessities.

TEAM construction is what we lack, not guys that don't have any basketball value (especially remote advanced stats type of value vs like making baskets)

Simons is intriguing but not at a high price. I think the Magic will likely only bring in two-way players.

Simons is the type of player you give a small 2 year deal to see how well he meshes with the team.

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JRoy · Post #3906 » by **JRoy** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 1:27 pm

eyriq wrote:The Simons trade I've settled on as the most likely is Cole, JI, and a future top 10 protected first. JI is a great defensive piece for their build on a declining salary, Cole is effectively an expiring contract, and they get a first rounder.

That seems fair.

89Magicfan · Post #3907 » by **89Magicfan** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 1:48 pm

This team needs a starting PG and some depth.

I’m watching the Ja Morant situation this off season.

Post #3908 » by **eyriq** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 1:48 pm

JRoy wrote:
eyriq wrote:The Simons trade I've settled on as the most likely is Cole, JI, and a future top 10 protected first. JI is a great defensive piece for their build on a declining salary, Cole is effectively an expiring contract, and they get a first rounder.

That seems fair.

Phone it in!

basketballRob · Post #3909 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 1:53 pm

The Celtics traded the 25th pick and a 2028 pick swap. Plus Langford and Richardson for Derrick White.

Langford was in his second season like Jett and spent 2 seasons with the Spurs before he was out of the league. Josh Richardson had 2 yrs $23m left on his contract before he was out of the league.

Langford was picked #14. I think like Langford, we need to include Jett in any deal this summer.

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cedric76 · Post #3910 » by **cedric76** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 1:58 pm

eyriq wrote:
JRoy wrote:
eyriq wrote:The Simons trade I've settled on as the most likely is Cole, JI, and a future top 10 protected first. JI is a great defensive piece for their build on a declining salary, Cole is effectively an expiring contract, and they get a first rounder.

That seems fair.
Phone it in!

Slightly too much

basketballRob · Post #3911 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:07 pm

Jett and Goga for Bobby Portis. With Portis, you get another player who could be in a playoff rotation.

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JBSouthpaw · Post #3912 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:29 pm

I'd love to try and get Whitmore and Sheppard from Houston, they're getting DNPs, they'll need a replacement for Adams as backup center more than these guys on the bench.

pepe1991 · Post #3913 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:29 pm

I'm sorry but not a single "fair" trade for Simons, for Blazers makes sense.

What a f*** they will do with Goga, Isaac, Cole or Carter?

They have:
PF- Jeremy Grant on terrible contract playing 3 and D with no 3 role
Rob Will- basically Isaac's twin. Always hurt, can't get rid of his contract fast enough
Donovan Cligan- draft pick that will need PT to turn into something
Ayton- elephant in the room with $35M of expiring money

Adding another C makes literally no sense whatsoever, especially since our Cs are often in trades mostly because they suck for us. Isaac is hardly playable, Goga is unplayable, Carter is having "great" playoffs on 9 ppg and that's best he looked whole year long.

And there is Cole. Sheeh i wonder why he is always in our trade out options. Probably because he is such a good player and value. Loud eye roll.

Skybox · Post #3914 » by **Skybox** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:31 pm

JRoy wrote:
eyriq wrote:The Simons trade I've settled on as the most likely is Cole, JI, and a future top 10 protected first. JI is a great defensive piece for their build on a declining salary, Cole is effectively an expiring contract, and they get a first rounder.

That seems fair.

alright, we've got JRoy back on board...he was getting salty watching playoffs from the sideline. Let's get it done! :lol:

jonbob17 · Post #3915 » by **jonbob17** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:34 pm

Just for giggles and taking the temperature here on Charlotte as a trade partner. I get that Lamelo's ankles have been a problem, this is assuming its not chronic, probably a bad assumption given the Ball's histories.

Franz for Lamelo +. Use that plus, our picks, KCP to add a 3D wing.
Lamelo without any of our 3 young guys, picks galore in a 3 way swap involving 3 SE divison foes. Trae Young to Charlotte, Lamelo to Orlando, Orlando sends 5 firsts and salary (KCP, WCJ)

Franz for Brandon Miller + Grant Williams + Josh Green. idea here would be to trade a very good 2 way scoring wing for a 2 way shooting wing; Miller took 11 Threes a game last year.

Who says no, you are crazy: Paolo for Ball and Miller?

Skybox · Post #3916 » by **Skybox** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:36 pm

pepe1991 wrote:I'm sorry but not a single "fair" trade for Simons, for Blazers makes sense.

What a f*** they will do with Goga, Isaac, Cole or Carter?

They have:
PF- Jeremy Grant on terrible contract playing 3 and D with no 3 role
Rob Will- basically Isaac's twin. Always hurt, can't get rid of his contract fast enough
Donovan Cligan- draft pick that will need PT to turn into something
Ayton- elephant in the room with $35M of expiring money

Adding another C makes literally no sense whatsoever, especially since our Cs are often in trades mostly because they suck for us. Isaac is hardly playable, Goga is unplayable, Carter is having "great" playoffs on 9 ppg and that's best he looked whole year long.

And there is Cole. Sheeh i wonder why he is always in our trade out options. Probably because he is such a good player and value. Loud eye roll.

But they're in pretty good shape with young guards and wings too...POR should just be collecting assets for now, less concerned about fit. Ayton's an expiring big $$ contract. Clingan is the present and future. Time Lord is a strong backup and can't be counted on for more. Grant's contract is murder, but he's a viable player at both forward spots for now...they should focus on picks and talent, in any form, imo...things can always be moved around if you don't have Weltman as your GM....POR is my side piece, since I can't root for MIA, and I like what they've accumulated - it's no more poorly balanced than our pile of silliness.

JRoy · Post #3917 » by **JRoy** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:38 pm

Skybox wrote:
JRoy wrote:
eyriq wrote:The Simons trade I've settled on as the most likely is Cole, JI, and a future top 10 protected first. JI is a great defensive piece for their build on a declining salary, Cole is effectively an expiring contract, and they get a first rounder.

That seems fair.

alright, we've got JRoy back on board...he was getting salty watching playoffs from the sideline. Let's get it done!

The worst part about the playoffs this year (besides the absence of the Blazers) is wondering how good ORL could be with a top tier perimeter player.

VFX · Post #3918 » by **VFX** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:43 pm

pepe1991 wrote:I'm sorry but not a single "fair" trade for Simons, for Blazers makes sense.

What a f*** they will do with Goga, Isaac, Cole or Carter?

They have:
PF- Jeremy Grant on terrible contract playing 3 and D with no 3 role
Rob Will- basically Isaac's twin. Always hurt, can't get rid of his contract fast enough
Donovan Cligan- draft pick that will need PT to turn into something
Ayton- elephant in the room with $35M of expiring money

Adding another C makes literally no sense whatsoever, especially since our Cs are often in trades mostly because they suck for us. Isaac is hardly playable, Goga is unplayable, Carter is having "great" playoffs on 9 ppg and that's best he looked whole year long.

And there is Cole. Sheeh i wonder why he is always in our trade out options. Probably because he is such a good player and value. Loud eye roll.

I believe there is no "one solution fixes all" for the Blazers roster construction presently.

They have a LOAD of talent and players that they MUST make decisions on. In other words, they will have to make multiple trades in order to carve out a roster that makes sense from a minute distribution standpoint.

Basically it comes down to knowing that Scoot, Sharpe, Camara, Avdija, and Clingan are guys that are in their future. Ayton, Grant, Simons, and Williams are not. They have to play this game of moving expiring assets for picks and trading expensive players for less expensive on longer term deals before they can start making bigger decisions.

This is why I think of Wendell Carter as insurance for them to move off guys like Ayton and Williams. You don't want to pay Ayton $35m if you can move him and pay Carter $12m instead. They want to pay and keep the aforementioned players instead of paying those scrubs insane salary.

Idiosyncratic · Post #3919 » by **Idiosyncratic** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:46 pm

If the Blazers aren't going to re-sign Simons they will simply take the best package they get offered. If their GM wants to re-sign him then it was never going to happen anyway. Not that complicated.

There are a good portion of Blazers fans that want to get rid of him for whatever they can , but so far their GM has stuck with him.

jonbob17 · Post #3920 » by **jonbob17** » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:47 pm

I haven't been keeping up on this nearly 200 page thread, so forgive me if this has been discussed

With Mobley winning DPOY, and getting the bumped up Max on his extension, he's going to be making $46M next year. btw could be a problem for Magic next summer if Paolo hits an escalator next season.

Anyways, Cleveland is going to be in cap hell all of a sudden. going to be over the 2nd apron with 11 guys under contract. No way can they sign Ty Jerome as it stands. last year Per 36 23/5/6 with 3 made threes at 44%

Cleveland could look to do something to do something bigger. Maybe that's Allen...or maybe Garland. Strus could probably be had for cheap.