Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[basketballRob]

I haven't been keeping up on this nearly 200 page thread, so forgive me if this has been discussed

With Mobley winning DPOY, and getting the bumped up Max on his extension, he's going to be making $46M next year. btw could be a problem for Magic next summer if Paolo hits an escalator next season.

Anyways, Cleveland is going to be in cap hell all of a sudden. going to be over the 2nd apron with 11 guys under contract. No way can they sign Ty Jerome as it stands. last year Per 36 23/5/6 with 3 made threes at 44%

Cleveland could look to do something to do something bigger. Maybe that's Allen...or maybe Garland. Strus could probably be had for cheap.

I don't think Cleveland would risk making a trade that would help us. We also won't have the $14.1m mle unless we get $14.1m under the first apron.

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[Skybox]

I'm sorry but not a single "fair" trade for Simons, for Blazers makes sense.

What a f*** they will do with Goga, Isaac, Cole or Carter?

They have:
PF- Jeremy Grant on terrible contract playing 3 and D with no 3 role
Rob Will- basically Isaac's twin. Always hurt, can't get rid of his contract fast enough
Donovan Cligan- draft pick that will need PT to turn into something
Ayton- elephant in the room with $35M of expiring money

Adding another C makes literally no sense whatsoever, especially since our Cs are often in trades mostly because they suck for us. Isaac is hardly playable, Goga is unplayable, Carter is having "great" playoffs on 9 ppg and that's best he looked whole year long.


And there is Cole. Sheeh i wonder why he is always in our trade out options. Probably because he is such a good player and value. Loud eye roll.

I believe there is no "one solution fixes all" for the Blazers roster construction presently.

They have a LOAD of talent and players that they MUST make decisions on. In other words, they will have to make multiple trades in order to carve out a roster that makes sense from a minute distribution standpoint.

Basically it comes down to knowing that Scoot, Sharpe, Camara, Avdija, and Clingan are guys that are in their future. Ayton, Grant, Simons, and Williams are not. They have to play this game of moving expiring assets for picks and trading expensive players for less expensive on longer term deals before they can start making bigger decisions.

This is why I think of Wendell Carter as insurance for them to move off guys like Ayton and Williams. You don't want to pay Ayton $35m if you can move him and pay Carter $12m instead. They want to pay and keep the aforementioned players instead of paying those scrubs insane salary.

Agree...I hope they do something productive with Ayton, but even letting him walk and just focusing on cap flexibility and draft assets would be great. Kind of like Weltman did pretty successfully - regardless of the fact that he hasn't done anything with that hard-earned flexibility. Ayton doesn't suck - he's just incomplete and overpaid. He might be really good in the right place...I keep saying ATL, sharing the offensive load with Trae & JJ, while the rest do the dirty work and, maybe just maybe, inspire Ayton to pitch in with his enormous size and physical capabilities, on the defensive end.

If, somehow, Ayton was making $20m...I'd be all over giving that a look. The guy is a physical marvel with refined offensive skills - he just doesnt' "get it" as far as defense and team play...I'd like to envision/believe/pray that Mose, despite weak X's and O's, could be the father figure/mentor that can get through to some of these underachieving "labeled" big men. I was sure he'd get Bamba to wake up but that didn't work out.

[Idiosyncratic]

I haven't been keeping up on this nearly 200 page thread, so forgive me if this has been discussed

With Mobley winning DPOY, and getting the bumped up Max on his extension, he's going to be making $46M next year. btw could be a problem for Magic next summer if Paolo hits an escalator next season.

Anyways, Cleveland is going to be in cap hell all of a sudden. going to be over the 2nd apron with 11 guys under contract. No way can they sign Ty Jerome as it stands. last year Per 36 23/5/6 with 3 made threes at 44%

Cleveland could look to do something to do something bigger. Maybe that's Allen...or maybe Garland. Strus could probably be had for cheap.

I think they try to re-sign Jerome for what they can still. They will likely keep roughly the same roster for two more seasons and be a 2nd apron team.

[VFX]

I haven't been keeping up on this nearly 200 page thread, so forgive me if this has been discussed

With Mobley winning DPOY, and getting the bumped up Max on his extension, he's going to be making $46M next year. btw could be a problem for Magic next summer if Paolo hits an escalator next season.

Anyways, Cleveland is going to be in cap hell all of a sudden. going to be over the 2nd apron with 11 guys under contract. No way can they sign Ty Jerome as it stands. last year Per 36 23/5/6 with 3 made threes at 44%

Cleveland could look to do something to do something bigger. Maybe that's Allen...or maybe Garland. Strus could probably be had for cheap.

Jerome has been discussed here as a potential option.

I could see them doing something bigger to avoid losing a lot of their crucial role players.

Okoro, Wade, and Hunter are significantly less impactful than a guy like Jerome.

[basketballRob]

I haven't been keeping up on this nearly 200 page thread, so forgive me if this has been discussed

With Mobley winning DPOY, and getting the bumped up Max on his extension, he's going to be making $46M next year. btw could be a problem for Magic next summer if Paolo hits an escalator next season.

Anyways, Cleveland is going to be in cap hell all of a sudden. going to be over the 2nd apron with 11 guys under contract. No way can they sign Ty Jerome as it stands. last year Per 36 23/5/6 with 3 made threes at 44%

Cleveland could look to do something to do something bigger. Maybe that's Allen...or maybe Garland. Strus could probably be had for cheap.

I think they try to re-sign Jerome for what they can still. They will likely keep the same roster for two more seasons and be a 2nd apron team.

They can only pay him $14.3m next season. Houston, Detroit, Utah, or the Nets may offer him a deal he can't refuse.

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[basketballRob]

I haven't been keeping up on this nearly 200 page thread, so forgive me if this has been discussed

With Mobley winning DPOY, and getting the bumped up Max on his extension, he's going to be making $46M next year. btw could be a problem for Magic next summer if Paolo hits an escalator next season.

Anyways, Cleveland is going to be in cap hell all of a sudden. going to be over the 2nd apron with 11 guys under contract. No way can they sign Ty Jerome as it stands. last year Per 36 23/5/6 with 3 made threes at 44%

Cleveland could look to do something to do something bigger. Maybe that's Allen...or maybe Garland. Strus could probably be had for cheap.

Jerome has been discussed here as a potential option.

I could see them doing something bigger to avoid losing a lot of their crucial role players.

Okoro, Wade, and Hunter are significantly less impactful than a guy like Jerome.

The Cavs can only pay Jerome up to $14.3m next season. That's what happened to the Knicks and Hartenstein last season.

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[Idiosyncratic]

I haven't been keeping up on this nearly 200 page thread, so forgive me if this has been discussed

With Mobley winning DPOY, and getting the bumped up Max on his extension, he's going to be making $46M next year. btw could be a problem for Magic next summer if Paolo hits an escalator next season.

Anyways, Cleveland is going to be in cap hell all of a sudden. going to be over the 2nd apron with 11 guys under contract. No way can they sign Ty Jerome as it stands. last year Per 36 23/5/6 with 3 made threes at 44%

Cleveland could look to do something to do something bigger. Maybe that's Allen...or maybe Garland. Strus could probably be had for cheap.

I think they try to re-sign Jerome for what they can still. They will likely keep the same roster for two more seasons and be a 2nd apron team.

They can only pay him $14.3m next season. Houston, Detroit, Utah, or the Nets may offer him a deal he can't refuse.

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Yeah that is certainly possible. I just think that's what the Cavs will offer regardless, I don't see them moving big pieces to be able to offer more. He either takes it or he doesn't, but the Cavs team will likely remain the same, unless maybe a surprise 2nd round disappointment.

[pepe1991]

I'm sorry but not a single "fair" trade for Simons, for Blazers makes sense.

What a f*** they will do with Goga, Isaac, Cole or Carter?

They have:
PF- Jeremy Grant on terrible contract playing 3 and D with no 3 role
Rob Will- basically Isaac's twin. Always hurt, can't get rid of his contract fast enough
Donovan Cligan- draft pick that will need PT to turn into something
Ayton- elephant in the room with $35M of expiring money

Adding another C makes literally no sense whatsoever, especially since our Cs are often in trades mostly because they suck for us. Isaac is hardly playable, Goga is unplayable, Carter is having "great" playoffs on 9 ppg and that's best he looked whole year long.


And there is Cole. Sheeh i wonder why he is always in our trade out options. Probably because he is such a good player and value. Loud eye roll.

I believe there is no "one solution fixes all" for the Blazers roster construction presently.

They have a LOAD of talent and players that they MUST make decisions on. In other words, they will have to make multiple trades in order to carve out a roster that makes sense from a minute distribution standpoint.

Basically it comes down to knowing that Scoot, Sharpe, Camara, Avdija, and Clingan are guys that are in their future. Ayton, Grant, Simons, and Williams are not. They have to play this game of moving expiring assets for picks and trading expensive players for less expensive on longer term deals before they can start making bigger decisions.

This is why I think of Wendell Carter as insurance for them to move off guys like Ayton and Williams. You don't want to pay Ayton $35m if you can move him and pay Carter $12m instead. They want to pay and keep the aforementioned players instead of paying those scrubs insane salary.

Agree...I hope they do something productive with Ayton, but even letting him walk and just focusing on cap flexibility and draft assets would be great. Kind of like Weltman did pretty successfully - regardless of the fact that he hasn't done anything with that hard-earned flexibility. Ayton doesn't suck - he's just incomplete and overpaid. He might be really good in the right place...I keep saying ATL, sharing the offensive load with Trae & JJ, while the rest do the dirty work and, maybe just maybe, inspire Ayton to pitch in with his enormous size and physical capabilities, on the defensive end.

If, somehow, Ayton was making $20m...I'd be all over giving that a look. The guy is a physical marvel with refined offensive skills - he just doesnt' "get it" as far as defense and team play...I'd like to envision/believe/pray that Mose, despite weak X's and O's, could be the father figure/mentor that can get through to some of these underachieving "labeled" big men. I was sure he'd get Bamba to wake up but that didn't work out.

Ayton simply does not give a flying **** about basketball. Guy shows up once every 5-10 games, looks like legit top 20 player, goes doing real life f**eries like banging porn stars. ( literally).

[Skybox]

Screw it, let's do it...

ORL sends: KCP, Cole (expiring/TO), Isaac, Jett (expiring/TO), #25, ORL 26 frp (Top 8)
POR sends: Simons, Ayton

#2
ORL sends: Goga
CHI sends: Ayo Dosunmu

Decline TO on Moe (re-up at $8m x 3), Decline Harris & Caleb (sorry-just going with TdS & McNeely)

MLE Davion Mitchell

Draft Liam McNeely at #16...or, draft Sorber and keep Caleb

Ayton, WCJ, Moe
Paolo, WCJ, TdS
Franz, McNeely, TdS
Suggs, AB, Ayo
Simons, Mitchell, Ayo

[JRoy]

I believe there is no "one solution fixes all" for the Blazers roster construction presently.

They have a LOAD of talent and players that they MUST make decisions on. In other words, they will have to make multiple trades in order to carve out a roster that makes sense from a minute distribution standpoint.

Basically it comes down to knowing that Scoot, Sharpe, Camara, Avdija, and Clingan are guys that are in their future. Ayton, Grant, Simons, and Williams are not. They have to play this game of moving expiring assets for picks and trading expensive players for less expensive on longer term deals before they can start making bigger decisions.

This is why I think of Wendell Carter as insurance for them to move off guys like Ayton and Williams. You don't want to pay Ayton $35m if you can move him and pay Carter $12m instead. They want to pay and keep the aforementioned players instead of paying those scrubs insane salary.

Agree...I hope they do something productive with Ayton, but even letting him walk and just focusing on cap flexibility and draft assets would be great. Kind of like Weltman did pretty successfully - regardless of the fact that he hasn't done anything with that hard-earned flexibility. Ayton doesn't suck - he's just incomplete and overpaid. He might be really good in the right place...I keep saying ATL, sharing the offensive load with Trae & JJ, while the rest do the dirty work and, maybe just maybe, inspire Ayton to pitch in with his enormous size and physical capabilities, on the defensive end.

If, somehow, Ayton was making $20m...I'd be all over giving that a look. The guy is a physical marvel with refined offensive skills - he just doesnt' "get it" as far as defense and team play...I'd like to envision/believe/pray that Mose, despite weak X's and O's, could be the father figure/mentor that can get through to some of these underachieving "labeled" big men. I was sure he'd get Bamba to wake up but that didn't work out.

Ayton simply does not give a flying **** about basketball. Guy shows up once every 5-10 games, looks like legit top 20 player, goes doing real life f**eries like banging porn stars. ( literally).

Ayton loves the lifestyle.

Doesn’t really care about basketball except when he gets a wild hair up his ass.

[jonbob17]

I haven't been keeping up on this nearly 200 page thread, so forgive me if this has been discussed

With Mobley winning DPOY, and getting the bumped up Max on his extension, he's going to be making $46M next year. btw could be a problem for Magic next summer if Paolo hits an escalator next season.

Anyways, Cleveland is going to be in cap hell all of a sudden. going to be over the 2nd apron with 11 guys under contract. No way can they sign Ty Jerome as it stands. last year Per 36 23/5/6 with 3 made threes at 44%

Cleveland could look to do something to do something bigger. Maybe that's Allen...or maybe Garland. Strus could probably be had for cheap.

Jerome has been discussed here as a potential option.

I could see them doing something bigger to avoid losing a lot of their crucial role players.

Okoro, Wade, and Hunter are significantly less impactful than a guy like Jerome.

The Cavs can only pay Jerome up to $14.3m next season. That's what happened to the Knicks and Hartenstein last season.

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Ok ok, i see the Cavs can offer him an estimate(Bobby Marks) of $14.3M which is more than the MLE of 14.1M. It seems like the Magic could get under the apron pretty easy, with the team options they have.

BUT Cleveland, now that Mobley is going to be getting the 30% Max after winning DPOY,are going to be $17M over the 2nd apron which will hardcap them. I suppose they can still sign Jerome, but they'd have to be able to shed some serious salary, and there just are not a lot of teams with cap space to trade into. I imagine teams that can take salaries are going to get a serious premium for it.

I guess Strus would have to be the guy, $16M.

Maybe i am wrong. I'll have to revisit the new rules when we get closer to the offseason. all those no aggregates 2:1, no cash, etc on the teams over 2nd apron

[Skybox]

I haven't been keeping up on this nearly 200 page thread, so forgive me if this has been discussed

With Mobley winning DPOY, and getting the bumped up Max on his extension, he's going to be making $46M next year. btw could be a problem for Magic next summer if Paolo hits an escalator next season.

Anyways, Cleveland is going to be in cap hell all of a sudden. going to be over the 2nd apron with 11 guys under contract. No way can they sign Ty Jerome as it stands. last year Per 36 23/5/6 with 3 made threes at 44%

Cleveland could look to do something to do something bigger. Maybe that's Allen...or maybe Garland. Strus could probably be had for cheap.

I think they try to re-sign Jerome for what they can still. They will likely keep roughly the same roster for two more seasons and be a 2nd apron team.

No doubt they try...I just hope we do too.

I really do think a bigger role could be a factor in his decision, salary won't really be (assuming we can get to MLE eligibility)(state tax might even favor us). I just don't think BRK or DET would or should throw a big offer at him-he's really suitable for us, but I don't think he's a guy to build around after a teardown (BRK). Don't know about other potential MLE teams and how the roles and teammates they could offer stack up.

CLE also might approach this offseason with a sound financial mindset and wish him well, rather than try to squeeze every available penny to get a guy that might be replaceable (for their role) by a less expensive alternative.

[RichCollab]

My take for this summer

Core: Keep at all cost

Paolo
Franz
Suggs

Important: Keep but move for great fit next to Paolo and Franz

AB
Moe


Nice to have: Has to make sense for the team

JI
WCJ
KCP
Goga
TDS
CoJo
TQ

Whatever:

Caleb

Must Go:

Cole
Harris
Jett

[outlawmarx]

My take for this summer

Core: Keep at all cost

Paolo
Franz
Suggs

Important: Keep but move for great fit next to Paolo and Franz

AB
Moe


Nice to have: Has to make sense for the team

JI
WCJ
KCP
Goga
TDS
CoJo
TQ

Whatever:

Caleb

Must Go:

Cole
Harris
Jett

I would say the first move we need is to get rid of overpriced players that are 3rd stringers (Cole and Isaac) and also KCP. That's 49 million right there.
Get a good veteran PG, keep AB, keep Cojo(cheap). Everyone else is moving parts, including draft players.
When you compare our deep bench with others it's crazy. Issac alone almost pays for the whole deep bench of some teams.

[outlawmarx]

And a new offensive coordinator, pleeeeaaaseeee

[MasterGMer]

Magic is likely a tax team next season and even close to 2nd apron. That would limit our flexibility.

The biggest problem I can think of is can Magic even afford this team in 2 or 3 years? Paolo's max is kicking in plus AB's rookie extension. Of course, Magic will be without cap space.

IMO Magic franchise has to be thinking about making a move or two this upcoming summer. And this playoff exposed our strengths and weaknesses that we can not compete with the league's best. These two First Round picks I am not keeping too much with them unless we trade them.

Jeff Weltman has to be monitoring the league. Damian Lillard just had a torn Achilles, which means he would be out most of next season. What is Giannis doing? He is 31 years old and in his prime. Yes, he would be expensive. But the whole league must be watching and I hope Jeff will be watching also.

Are we looking at a guy like Anfernee Simons? To me, his defense really won't move the needle for me. But he is a capable scorer. So I am thinking a rotation spot for him coming off the bench?

I do not really understand the fascination with Colin Sexton? He averages 18 ppg. What else does he do best? His 3 pt shooting? And his playmaking? He could definitely be an upgrade. But we have to figure out the future with KCP.

BTW we have a game tomorrow. Go Magic!

[eyriq]

The same two objectives stand out to me.

1. Freshen up the roster by moving off re-tool era players
2. Improve availability by keeping only one injury prone player

That means Cole, JI, WCJ, and Harris got to go.

Bonus is replacing them with shooting/playmaking.

[Cammo101]

Magic is likely a tax team next season and even close to 2nd apron. That would limit our flexibility.

The biggest problem I can think of is can Magic even afford this team in 2 or 3 years? Paolo's max is kicking in plus AB's rookie extension. Of course, Magic will be without cap space.

This is why the last two offseason of sitting on our hands was so important. Those were the easiest times to add to our core. We now have waited until adding a significant piece to our roster is as difficult as possible before even considering upgrading the roster, because of this, a big move is a lot more likely to include Suggs or Franz now given our lack of cap flexibility.

I hope Weltman has a plan here, but I've seen no indication of it.

[thelead]

The same two objectives stand out to me.

1. Freshen up the roster by moving off re-tool era players
2. Improve availability by keeping only one injury prone player

That means Cole, JI, WCJ, and Harris got to go.

Bonus is replacing them with shooting/playmaking.

I love how you frame this. I'm sure other teams want to give us quality starters and difference makers for our injury prone players.

[eyriq]

The same two objectives stand out to me.

1. Freshen up the roster by moving off re-tool era players
2. Improve availability by keeping only one injury prone player

That means Cole, JI, WCJ, and Harris got to go.

Bonus is replacing them with shooting/playmaking.

I love how you frame this. I'm sure other teams want to give us quality starters and difference makers for our injury prone players.

I think JI and WCJ have trade value, personally. Cole is an expiring and Harris can get outright cut and the team save his $7m. These aren’t toxic assets by any stretch I think. Just obvious starting points for a retool