Trade rumor on the Bulls board (Deng for Pietrus/Gortat)

backasswards · Post #41 » by **backasswards** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:15 pm

i don't understand. we lose 2 role players who barely played for a good starting nba player and people worry about depth. yet there a lot of people here who are willing to gut the team in order to land someone like bosh, amare, or boozer?

SmiteaDwight · Post #42 » by **SmiteaDwight** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:22 pm

Bad trade because Luol's contract would bury us even further into the ground, something we want to avoid unless we bring in serious talent. The magic have very little flexibility now, If we would pick Deng then we would have absolutely ZERO flexibility now and for years to come. do we really want to do that for yet another overpaid player? If the magic win a championship, then i'd say it was worth it, but who here really thinks Deng is the answer? If he were paid less than he is currently getting, then id say yes.

magicman123 · Post #43 » by **magicman123** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:22 pm

why would we trade gortat/pietrus for deng? some people arent thinking straight, because we are trading peaches and gortat for kobe/gasol..

talent wise its a no brainer for orlando, but it does leave lewis at the 4 and we take on a good contract

MitchellUK · Post #44 » by **MitchellUK** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:22 pm

If he's healthy, then this is a no-brainer for Orlando IMO. We get a very good scorer and defender on the wing, and we haven't had a two-way player like that in a long time. Also, he does his damage from mid-range and inwards, which is again the type of player we have been lacking. He's also a better rebounder than anyone on Orlando not named Howard or Gortat, and one of those guys is nailed to the bench. His contract is pretty reasonable, IMO.

Of course, that is assuming the rumour is legit and has any chance of occurring.

chunnyboy · Post #45 » by **chunnyboy** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:23 pm

i would do this trade, but would be cautious about it as well. Deng is 25 so I wouldn't call his body frail or anything but injury history is injury history - we don't want another injury plagued former Duke forward with a big contract (though Hill was a greater tragedy on both parts).

we do overrate Gortat, but it's not gonna be easy finding a backup center who is of his caliber - maybe in the draft if someone like Alabi, Orton or Seraphin is available at 29 - that should do in the meantime.

If we do this deal then we HAVE to re-sign JJ and probably allow Barnes to walk. We'll need to find another guy who can play SF behind Deng and Lewis as well (or maybe just stick Carter in there?). Lewis will probably start at 4 but I think this move allows Anderson and Bass a little more playing time.

backasswards · Post #46 » by **backasswards** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:26 pm

SmiteaDwight wrote:Bad trade because Luol's contract would bury us even further into the ground, something we want to avoid unless we bring in serious talent. The magic have very little flexibility now, If we would pick Deng then we would have absolutely ZERO flexibility now and for years to come. do we really want to do that for yet another overpaid player? If the magic win a championship, then i'd say it was worth it, but who here really thinks Deng is the answer? If he were paid less than he is currently getting, then id say yes.

you do understand that we're already over the cap for the next 3-4 years and wouldn't have much flexibility regardless?

Diehardmagicfan · Post #47 » by **Diehardmagicfan** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:33 pm

Like the trade talent wise with a guy who can score from inside the arc with a midrange game and a slasher which helps when we are not hitting our shots from outside the arc. He is a big small forward who is a good defender. If deng were to be completely healthy i love this trade.

magicman123 · Post #48 » by **magicman123** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:34 pm

^^seriously we are screwed anyways with salary, only chance we have the next 3-4 years of getting a player like deng is from a trade...

BN · Post #49 » by BN » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:36 pm

backasswards wrote:i don't understand. we lose 2 role players who barely played for a good starting nba player and people worry about depth. yet there a lot of people here who are willing to gut the team in order to land someone like bosh, amare, or boozer?

We'd be silly not to be willing to gut the team in order to land Bosh (but it's not like we're really going to get that chance). Amare is a closer call, but a lot of us people REALLY do want to see Lewis moved away from the frontcourt :wink:

Prolific Scorer · Post #50 » by **Prolific Scorer** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:38 pm

I'd feel bad for Gortat if this rumor were true. He's not likely to get much more playing time in Chicago than he's getting here.

chunnyboy · Post #51 » by **chunnyboy** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:40 pm

also to add to my earlier post - if we need a back up SF after we let barnes walk and trade away pietrus... Mike Miller would probably love nothing more than to end up here

chunnyboy · Post #52 » by **chunnyboy** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:47 pm

Prolific Scorer wrote:I'd feel bad for Gortat if this rumor were true. He's not likely to get much more playing time in Chicago than he's getting here.

I would disagree - The Bulls would have NOAH.GIBSON.GORTAT split the 48 minutes pretty evenly - Sure Gortat will likely end up being a back up, but he'll be the primary backup for both Gibson and Noah - and he would also be able to play with either at the same time. So he'll get at least 22-24 minutes each night. That's at least 10 more minutes than he'd get here. I can see Gortat having 8 and 8 with 1.5 blks each night over there for the Bulls.

magic_turk · Post #53 » by **magic_turk** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:48 pm

I would be real happy if this happened! Deng is an awesome SF, great on defense...vert strong player. If he can stay healthy I think he would really work with is! Only problem I am having is that everyone is talking about his salary...what is Dengs salary anyway?

314gmASTERmind · Post #54 » by **314gmASTERmind** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:50 pm

Too much doom and gloom on this board. 1 year ago the magic were one lay up and one dwight freethrow away from a 3-1 lead in the finals. Unfortunatly it didn't turn out the way I wanted it to. So the magic made some major changes. I would argue that the magic today have more talent and depth at every position and yet they finished worse than the year before. My point is adding more talent to this team while subtracting key contributors will not guarantee a championship. We know the type of system the magic play like it or hate it, personally I love it, and what we need are players that can thrive in it not change it a la the Vinsanity.

backasswards · Post #55 » by **backasswards** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:51 pm

magic_turk wrote:I would be real happy if this happened! Deng is an awesome SF, great on defense...vert strong player. If he can stay healthy I think he would really work with is! Only problem I am having is that everyone is talking about his salary...what is Dengs salary anyway?

09/10 - $10,370,425

10/11 - $11,355,850

11/12 - $12,341,275

12/13 - $13,326,700

13/14 - $14,312,125

tiderulz · Post #56 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:58 pm

chunnyboy wrote:also to add to my earlier post - if we need a back up SF after we let barnes walk and trade away pietrus... Mike Miller would probably love nothing more than to end up here

Mike Miller couldnt defend as a young 20+, he really cant defend now at 30

BN · Post #57 » by BN » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:59 pm

magic_turk wrote:I would be real happy if this happened! Deng is an awesome SF, great on defense...vert strong player. If he can stay healthy I think he would really work with is! Only problem I am having is that everyone is talking about his salary...what is Dengs salary anyway?

I believe that he has 4 years left, starting with a little over 11.3 mil next season and ending with a little over 14.3 mil in the last year (apparently all before whatever the incentives are) no player/team options, but I'm not rock solid on that so anyone feel free to double check and question my manhood

[edit] And so I've been beat, betcha you guys don't think that I'm cool anymore

The Effect · Post #58 » by **The Effect** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:02 pm

If it was just for Gortat OR peaches and a 1st(or other filler), then i would be all for it, but i think losing two top flight backups would hurt this team. The reason this team was as good as it was, was because of the amazing depth, but if we make this trade, we have no backup C or SF, and with no backup PG on the roster, thats a very thin team. I mean if Fran came over and was ready, i would be ok with it, but thats likely not going to happen and even if he did come, is he as good as gortat?

Dont get me wrong, i would love to add deng, but i just dont know if i would give up both guys for him. Wish there was a way to add Hinrich to the trade offer, but considering his contract, i dont see how we would do that

magicfan1989 · Post #59 » by **magicfan1989** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:07 pm

Deng averaged 17ppg, 7 rpg and 2 apg and shot 46% from the field.

Those are pretty good numbers but does trading Pietrus and Gortat for Deng really put us over the top and make us better than a potential LeBron/Amare or Wade/Bosh team? I don't think so.

Also, if we trade Pietrus and Gortat for Deng, we can say goodbye to trying to do a sign and trade for Bosh, Amare or Boozer. Gortat and Pietrus are arguably our two biggest trade pieces, and if we give them away for Deng, we have zero chance of getting the aforementioned PF's.

I honestly think we could get more for Gortat let alone a Gortat/Pietrus package.

We'll see I guess, but I'm kind of hoping we don't do this trade.

backasswards · Post #60 » by **backasswards** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:08 pm

The Effect wrote:If it was just for Gortat OR peaches and a 1st(or other filler), then i would be all for it, but i think losing two top flight backups would hurt this team. The reason this team was as good as it was, was because of the amazing depth, but if we make this trade, we have no backup C or SF, and with no backup PG on the roster, thats a very thin team. I mean if Fran came over and was ready, i would be ok with it, but thats likely not going to happen and even if he did come, is he as good as gortat?

Dont get me wrong, i would love to add deng, but i just dont know if i would give up both guys for him

considering that only gortat or pietrus for deng is not a legal trade makes it kind of hard.

i think people here are drastically overrating both gortat & pietrus.