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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#41 » by rcklsscognition » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:08 pm

Magicman125 wrote:Maybe we could use the Gortat TPE for Nocioni to sweeten the deal for the 76ers in getting Iggy?


TPE can only be used by itself.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#42 » by Magicman125 » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:09 pm

so just make it a separate trade I think the value of his contract and the TPE are about the same
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#43 » by rcklsscognition » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:09 pm

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RT @Chris_Broussard: Union told NBA if suitable CP trade not made by Mon., it will pursue other options, including litigation, sources say.


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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#44 » by SolidSnake008 » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:10 pm

One thing i will say is that Otis really does keep things close to vest...We didn't hear about getting Big Baby until the last minute basically when the deal was finalized...So maybe Otis is still working on something else but it's hush hush you know
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#45 » by Idunkonyou2 » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:11 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:
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RT @Chris_Broussard: Union told NBA if suitable CP trade not made by Mon., it will pursue other options, including litigation, sources say.


I hate quoting this guy but...


Not sure how they can do that since owners can void a trade any time they want before it is actually completed and that is exactly what the owners of the Hornets did.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#46 » by OrlDave » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:12 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:
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RT @Chris_Broussard: Union told NBA if suitable CP trade not made by Mon., it will pursue other options, including litigation, sources say.


I hate quoting this guy but...


So the Union is stepping in to help the Lakers? Now I've seen everything.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#47 » by woosah » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:12 pm

^^^hope it goes to litigation. both sides hands aren't clean, so i doubt it.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#48 » by Idunkonyou2 » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:12 pm

SolidSnake008 wrote:One thing i will say is that Otis really does keep things close to vest...We didn't hear about getting Big Baby until the last minute basically when the deal was finalized...So maybe Otis is still working on something else but it's hush hush you know


That is every Otis trade I can remember. When we got Carter, I was shocked. When we got Richardson, I was shocked. The only non shocker was Lewis for Arenas. That had been rumored for about 2 years before it happened.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#49 » by Coach_McGuirk » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:12 pm

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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#50 » by OrlandO » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:13 pm

Rip Hamilton bought out / waived
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#51 » by Magicman125 » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:13 pm

Sorry, I'm not, but why are all the analysts acting like it's bad for us and sooo great for the Celtics? I just don't understand.
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Post#52 » by Magicalltheway » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:14 pm

Magicman125 wrote:Sorry, I'm not, but why are all the analysts acting like it's bad for us and sooo great for the Celtics? I just don't understand.




because they hate everything about us. Even when we were at the finals.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#53 » by D12VCMagic » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:14 pm

SolidSnake008 wrote:One thing i will say is that Otis really does keep things close to vest...We didn't hear about getting Big Baby until the last minute basically when the deal was finalized...So maybe Otis is still working on something else but it's hush hush you know


Actually last night I read the Magic were serious suitors for Big Baby, not like it totally came from nowhere. We've been linked to him for a little while.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#54 » by rcklsscognition » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:14 pm



Did you see the headline on the article>

Celtics sign-and-trade Glen Davis to Orlando for Brandon Bass: Thumbs down for Orlando, Thumbs way up for Boston.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#55 » by OrlandO » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:15 pm

Magicman125 wrote:Sorry, I'm not, but why are all the analysts acting like it's bad for us and sooo great for the Celtics? I just don't understand.

They are probably assuming Dwight will be traded, so BBD's impact doesn't matter...
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#56 » by Idunkonyou2 » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:17 pm

Magicman125 wrote:Sorry, I'm not, but why are all the analysts acting like it's bad for us and sooo great for the Celtics? I just don't understand.


It is pretty obvious. They hate us. Last year Bass was undersized and a reason we couldn't get by the Hawks in the playoffs according to the media. Now he is a beast and will make KG look youthful again, LOL! :lol:
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#57 » by Carlos Arroyo » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:17 pm

Even if we win the championship they will say we only won cuz of the shortened season
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#58 » by rcklsscognition » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:17 pm

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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#59 » by IGotDaMagicInMe » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:17 pm



AND I QUOTE

This trade is basically a good organization running circles around a mediocre one, and in a year it's going to become obvious what a steal Boston got with this deal.

Faced with a situation in which the Celtics didn't want to lose an asset (Davis) but still wanted to preserve cap space for the summer of 2012, the Celtics did the only thing they could -- sign-and-trade him for a one-year rental. Bass technically is signed through 2012-13, but he has an opt-out after this season, and since he makes only $4 million per annum he's likely to take the out.

We don't know the details on Davis' contract yet, but I suspect it's four years, $26.05 million. The biggest clue is that the only reason he would go for it is if it paid him more than the midlevel exception. With the Magic using the amnesty clause on Gilbert Arenas to put themselves under the luxury tax, they can take back 150 percent of Bass' pay plus $100,000, which would be a deal starting at $6.1 million. Add in 4.5 percent raises and the full deal is likely four years, $26.05 million.

For his one-year rental in Beantown, Bass will be perfect as a first big man off the bench. While he isn't on Davis' level as a team defender, he's strong enough to play as an undersized 5 just as Davis did. And offensively, these guys aren't even close. Bass and Davis both shoot a lot of midrange jumpers; the difference is that Bass makes them. He has had a TS% of 56 for four straight seasons and averaged over 17.0 points per 40 minutes the past three.

Although he's a good team defender who willingly takes charges and can defend post players, I consider Davis one of the league's most overrated players. Offensively, he's really not very good -- a pick-and-pop 4 who mostly shoots 2-point jumpers and mostly misses them. Davis' true shooting percentages the past three years are 50.2, 50.0 and 49.9 -- which is terrible for a power forward -- and he scores and assists at a fairly low rate.

So basically, the Celtics got a better player who makes less money while preserving all their cap flexibility, and the Magic get another iffy contract. About the only benefit to Orlando is that Davis is friends with Dwight Howard, but we saw how far that got the Hornets when they traded for Jarrett Jack.
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Re: Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part III) 

Post#60 » by MitchellUK » Fri Dec 9, 2011 10:18 pm

I don't really think we got fleeced. Yes, we're paying Big Baby more than we were paying Brandon Bass, but after watching every single game last season, I can't begin to tell you how sick I got of watching Bass turn his head and miss his defensive rotation, leading to an easy layup, or at the other end, catch the ball and rather than swing it to an open man, hold-it-hold-it-pivot-jab-jumpshot. Davis at least pays passing attention to defense, and has a reasonable offensive game.

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