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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV Off-Season Edition)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#41 » by TDJacksonville » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:26 pm

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troybiles wrote:
TheLastDon wrote:No more Ryan, great move now use 7.5 trade exception and JJ to acquire Monta as he will never sign extension with Milwaukee.. sign Bayless to 1 yr deal... Send Fran and J Rich to Min for Martell Webster as he has an unguarnteed 5.7 mil contract. Thoughts??


To my knowledge you cant combine a player and a tpe for Ellis. Tpe has to be the whole amount of the player. Please correct me if I am wrong.



Didn't we just trade Ryan for Ayon and the 7.5 TPE???


technically u cant trade TPEs. U use it to acquire Player(s) worth more than wat u sending out via trade. i dont see Milwaukee trading Ellis for JJ straight up
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#42 » by crazytown » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:26 pm

So this trade is about to go through yet the CP3 trade gets vetoed? This one is far far far worse.

Didnt Stern say one of the reasons why he vetoed it was because he didnt want to give players to choose where they wanted to go? wasnt that one of the reasons for this lockout?

What a joke.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#43 » by GameOver25 » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:26 pm

Dwight Howard still here, he's stuck with us....
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#44 » by jfinley88 » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:27 pm

arkknight1988 wrote:lopez is not something u want to build around.


He doesn't even fit the description of the kind of players Hennigan is looking for. Does not hustle up and down the floor. And doesn't have anything close to leadership qualities. He's a bigger goof-ball than Dwight in the locker room.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#45 » by AshBlackstone » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:28 pm

If there's such a market for Brook Lopez, and we could possibly move him for more suitable assets...

Then why haven't we even heard a sniff in the media about Lopez getting extended an offer sheet? I mean, Omir Asik is a completely overrated scrub...but even he got an offer sheet from Houston, to the tune of over $8 mil a season.

I don't think Lopez is the coveted asset some people are making him out to be. But I pray to God someone extends him a restricted offer that he likes and signs before a Dwight deal can happen.

Because that crushes any chance for a deal, ever.
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Post#46 » by XonezIOIzenoX » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:30 pm

This sucks,

Trading Dwight could mean two things.

A.) Trade with nets to help load off the majority of bad contracts (Jrich-Duhan-QRich) out of the way, and we go complete tank+rebuild+Draftpicks...Hennigan's skill will be tested through the draft picks to get great role players until we can sign a all star player or 2 to compliment with them. Future can be bright in Orlando.

B) Trade with Lakers, we get Bynum and mediocre players with low-mediocre team in Orlando for years to come. We will be a 30 plus team for a few seasons. Not to mention we will only have enough cap space for a star player in 2013 to compliment Bynum when there are La Lakers+Miami Heat+New York Knicks+Boston+OKC with multiple stars and better role players upahead.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#47 » by Nyce_1 » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:30 pm

TheLastDon wrote:No more Ryan, great move now use 7.5 trade exception and JJ to acquire Monta as he will never sign extension with Milwaukee.. sign Bayless to 1 yr deal... Send Fran and J Rich to Min for Martell Webster as he has an unguarnteed 5.7 mil contract. Thoughts??

can't combine TPE & player in single package.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#48 » by cvMagic » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:31 pm

You guys are right.

Lopez is not an asset you can build a contender around. If he was - then the Nets would keep him and Humphries and Brooks and have a deeper contender next year.

And he's not a player you can just flip for assets later.
Because when you flip for assets - more often than not you're taking back several players who are not as good individually as the player you are dealing.

The worse that individual player is... the worse the assets you get back are.

Now is the time - WITH DWIGHT - to flip for assets that a contender can be built around.

Not for Lopez and late first round picks.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#49 » by TDJacksonville » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:32 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
TheLastDon wrote:No more Ryan, great move now use 7.5 trade exception and JJ to acquire Monta as he will never sign extension with Milwaukee.. sign Bayless to 1 yr deal... Send Fran and J Rich to Min for Martell Webster as he has an unguarnteed 5.7 mil contract. Thoughts??

can't combine TPE & player in single package.


u can trade JJ for Monta and use the TPE to absorb the salary differential right?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#50 » by woosah » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:33 pm

TheLastDon wrote:
troybiles wrote:
TheLastDon wrote:No more Ryan, great move now use 7.5 trade exception and JJ to acquire Monta as he will never sign extension with Milwaukee.. sign Bayless to 1 yr deal... Send Fran and J Rich to Min for Martell Webster as he has an unguarnteed 5.7 mil contract. Thoughts??


To my knowledge you cant combine a player and a tpe for Ellis. Tpe has to be the whole amount of the player. Please correct me if I am wrong.



Didn't we just trade Ryan for Ayon and the 7.5 TPE???


Well we traded Ryan for reported 9mil and Ayon only makes 1.5 mil. We didn't want/or they didn't want to give anymore players so we got a tpe for the diff in salary. It is basically used like a coupon. If we find another player we want on another team and they want to give us that player and not take anyone back then we can "trade" that player for the tpe. We have a year from the transaction. You cannot use the tpe in combination with a player in a trade for a player of higher value, it is it's own transaction.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#51 » by MagicMan89 » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:33 pm

TDJacksonville wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
TheLastDon wrote:No more Ryan, great move now use 7.5 trade exception and JJ to acquire Monta as he will never sign extension with Milwaukee.. sign Bayless to 1 yr deal... Send Fran and J Rich to Min for Martell Webster as he has an unguarnteed 5.7 mil contract. Thoughts??

can't combine TPE & player in single package.


u can trade JJ for Monta and use the TPE to absorb the salary differential right?


No the TPE has to be in its own transaction and it can only be used for taking a deal that fits that amount or lower than that amount.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#52 » by AhaAha » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:34 pm

TDJacksonville wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
TheLastDon wrote:No more Ryan, great move now use 7.5 trade exception and JJ to acquire Monta as he will never sign extension with Milwaukee.. sign Bayless to 1 yr deal... Send Fran and J Rich to Min for Martell Webster as he has an unguarnteed 5.7 mil contract. Thoughts??

can't combine TPE & player in single package.


u can trade JJ for Monta and use the TPE to absorb the salary differential right?


No you cant combine tpe and player.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#53 » by PeePee la Fritz » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:35 pm

crazytown wrote:So this trade is about to go through yet the CP3 trade gets vetoed? This one is far far far worse.

Didnt Stern say one of the reasons why he vetoed it was because he didnt want to give players to choose where they wanted to go? wasnt that one of the reasons for this lockout?

What a joke.



David Stern vetoed the Lakers-Hornets trade because he OWNED the Hornets, and the trade was NOT in the best interest of the New Orleans Hornets. He wanted to sell the team, did not want the long term salary, and wanted young pieces back. DeVos owns the team, not the NBA so David Stern has no way to veto it without all hell breaking loose
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#54 » by AshBlackstone » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:36 pm

cvMagic wrote:You guys are right.

Lopez is not an asset you can build a contender around. If he was - then the Nets would keep him and Humphries and Brooks and have a deeper contender next year.

And he's not a player you can just flip for assets later.
Because when you flip for assets - more often than not you're taking back several players who are not as good individually as the player you are dealing.

The worse that individual player is... the worse the assets you get back are.

Now is the time - WITH DWIGHT - to flip for assets that a contender can be built around.

Not for Lopez and late first round picks.




To be honest, at this point with the proposed deal that's out there in the media...I'd feel like it was a win if we just dealt Howard to a contender for expiring deals and a few late first round picks.

I'd rather send Howard to Houston for Kevin Martin's expiring deal + another expiring deal...a trade anyone would make for a year rental of Howard, than take the pu-pu platter being laid before us by the Nets. We're better off cap wise that way in my opinion.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#55 » by cvMagic » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:37 pm

XonezIOIzenoX wrote:This sucks,

Trading Dwight could mean two things.

A.) Trade with nets to help load off the majority of bad contracts (Jrich-Duhan-QRich) out of the way, and we go complete tank+rebuild+Draftpicks...Hennigan's skill will be tested through the draft picks to get great role players until we can sign a all star player or 2 to compliment with them. Future can be bright in Orlando.

B) Trade with Lakers, we get Bynum and mediocre players with low-mediocre team in Orlando for years to come. We will be a 30 plus team for a few seasons. Not to mention we will only have enough cap space for a star player in 2013 to compliment Bynum when there are La Lakers+Miami Heat+New York Knicks+Boston+OKC with multiple stars and better role players upahead.

BRIGHT FUTURE or MEDICORE FOR YEARS TO COME?


And here's where most of you are missing the point.
If we were getting lottery picks back for Dwight - then yes.
But we're not - we'd be getting back a bunch of late first round picks.

And don't short change Bynum... There is not a 15 win differential b/w having Dwight and having Bynum. I'm sorry - but you're blind if you think there is.
Bynum and Nicholson/BBD can be a DYNAMIC front court and more effective offensively.

And let's be honest - Ryno was a sieve on defense. Nicholson and BBD are a massive upgrade defensively over him - offsetting some of where Dwight excels over Bynum.

For every team that pulls an OKC draft type rebuild, there are 10 teams trapped in perennial hell still trying.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#56 » by arkknight1988 » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:38 pm

XonezIOIzenoX wrote:This sucks,

Trading Dwight could mean two things.

A.) Trade with nets to help load off the majority of bad contracts (Jrich-Duhan-QRich) out of the way, and we go complete tank+rebuild+Draftpicks...Hennigan's skill will be tested through the draft picks to get great role players until we can sign a all star player or 2 to compliment with them. Future can be bright in Orlando.

B) Trade with Lakers, we get Bynum and mediocre players with low-mediocre team in Orlando for years to come. We will be a 30 plus team for a few seasons. Not to mention we will only have enough cap space for a star player in 2013 to compliment Bynum when there are La Lakers+Miami Heat+New York Knicks+Boston+OKC with multiple stars and better role players upahead.

BRIGHT FUTURE or MEDICORE FOR YEARS TO COME?

BINGO. although i think the rockets could help with rebuilding while getting rid of a bad contract
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#57 » by AshBlackstone » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:43 pm

Another reason to hate this deal besides the obvious lack of assets we would receive, or the negative impact on our cap it would create is the fact that we would be helping create the best team in the league.

I know many of you on this board have said that this Net team around Dwight wouldn't even be that good. All I can say is, you're absolutely insane. Not only are they legit contenders, they're overwhelming favorites in my opinion. They are instantly better than Miami, as their pieces fit together better.

Dwight made us an elite defensive team despite not having another legit defender on the roster. Now he has Gerald Wallace to defend on the wing, and even help in the post. He doesn't have to even cover as many mistakes at that end as he did here. And then he has Deron to facilitate, and even Joe Johnson can faciliate a little bit.

We would create a superpower in our own conference, once that would last from anywhere from 5 to as long 8 seasons. We can rebuild all we want. The chances of us having any shot at overcoming that team even with a really good rebuild is slim. In no way am I on board with doing this deal. It's unfathomable that we would even consider it.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#58 » by arkknight1988 » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:46 pm

yeah joe johnson as a third option is downright scary. wallace would be the 4th option. they would win the title imo. i can see their contracts harming them as they decline though
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#59 » by PeePee la Fritz » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:48 pm

WojYahooNBA Houston and New York agreed on a sign-and-trade deal sending Douglas, Harrelson, Jordan to Rockets for picks, sources said.
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So is Houston sending NYC picks? Or is NYC sending Houston picks? And if so Houston getting more picks for us :D
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXV 

Post#60 » by PeePee la Fritz » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:50 pm

WojYahooNBA The Rockets will get the Knicks' second round picks in 2014 and 2015, source tells Y! The Knicks will pay Toney Douglas' salary in Houston.
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