Official Speculation Thread (Pt.XLI Off-Season Edition)

OMPunk · Post #41 » by **OMPunk** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:21 pm

Magicalltheway wrote:alright some body fill me in from mid yesterday, what the heck is going on.

Post #42 » by **Bensational** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:21 pm

YosemiteSam wrote:I hate Schmitz as much as any of you, but I think he might have a point as to what the Devos' are thinking. Despite what many of you think you don't get to be a billionaire by being stupid

Brian K. Schmitz ‏@MagicInsider
Magic fans who want to start fresh with a rebuild will think it's great until team is 5-20. My guess is those fans aren't paying $75 a seat.

Brian K. Schmitz ‏@MagicInsider
If I'm Magic fan paying these prices, I don't want rebuild. I'd want ABynum and to be competitive. Not going to beat Miami for years anyway.

makes sense.

also adds fuel to the fire that DeVos might think it worth trying to keep Dwight. only problem is, if they keep pushing for an extension without any strong indication they're going to be making changes, i think we're just going to keep running in circles.

bigmoe1952 · Post #43 » by **bigmoe1952** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:21 pm

YosemiteSam wrote:I hate Schmitz as much as any of you, but I think he might have a point as to what the Devos' are thinking. Despite what many of you think you don't get to be a billionaire by being stupid

Brian K. Schmitz ‏@MagicInsider
Magic fans who want to start fresh with a rebuild will think it's great until team is 5-20. My guess is those fans aren't paying $75 a seat.

Brian K. Schmitz ‏@MagicInsider
If I'm Magic fan paying these prices, I don't want rebuild. I'd want ABynum and to be competitive. Not going to beat Miami for years anyway.

Yes! Stuck in mediocrity is what we want, Schmitz! And an injured Bynum away from disaster. :roll:

Magicalltheway · Post #44 » by **Magicalltheway** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:23 pm

D12J14 wrote:
Magicalltheway wrote:alright some body fill me in from mid yesterday, what the heck is going on.

Well thats promising, :lol:

MrOrlando · Post #45 » by **MrOrlando** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:24 pm

I don't want to see a middle aged team trying to make the playoffs, I want to see young talent hustling and creating a FUTURE that we can see grow right before our eyes. I'm not overly excited to see a Jameer "I can't play more than 24 minutes a game" Nelson leading our team whose identity just went completely upside down. We were always god awful without Dwight, I'd rather be god awful, with a **** ton of potential and draft picks.

YosemiteSam · Post #46 » by **YosemiteSam** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:29 pm

MrOrlando wrote:
ZeusIsLoose wrote:Brian Schmitz is the most irrational sports reporter. He wants Bynum over a rebuild. Not that simple. Organizations need to start over sometimes. Its part of the process. So you get Bynum, what happens if his knees give out? what happens if he walks? Keeping Bynum leaves you in purgatory for years. I really hate to say this because RDV is a very nice man, but i dont think the Magic will get a championship in his lifetime. Its unfortunate.......

This is what I don't understand, he shoots himself in the foot in his own article. We're not going to beat Miami anytime soon, so why fight a losing battle, and just go full on re-build with some incredibly nice young talent and draft picks. I wouldn't want Bynum over Houston's ability to take bad contracts, and give out good rookies and picks. Who the hell would? Why be stuck in years of mediocrity floating around in the middle of the draft when we can carve our own future out now?

I wish I was a billionaire ..I'd buy the Magic, tell Dwight GFY and rebuild.

Well, I agree with you, but the kind of people who buy courtside seats and luxury boxes in 2012-2013 and even the few years beyond that? Hard to close a deal with a client by saying "hey lets go see the 15 win Magic team with a bunch of unknowns get destroyed by 20 points tonight!" A half empty area is a bad option if you are in this as a business.....

Grady1train · Post #47 » by **Grady1train** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:29 pm

Please do not let our third trade partner be Cleveland. I was seriously hoping for some kind of Houston/Lakers deal where we'd end up with some of Houston's young talent/ a resigned Ebanks and Jordan Hill/ and draft picks. How is Varejao even a consideration, the guy makes over 8 and 9 million over the next three years. I mean, I guess there could be much worse situations, but just not a fan of it.

trebone · Post #48 » by **trebone** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:30 pm

^^^ Im not the biggest Bynum fan but the same people saying we need young talent are saying no to Bynum, you do realize he is a 24 yo allstar C with the potential to be WAY better than Dwight.

Yes I know his knees could go but on the other side he could seriously dominate as well

jadewbj · Post #49 » by **jadewbj** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:32 pm

I would have disagree with those who don't think you could build a contender around Bynum. On his own team as the focus with good wings and solid defenders you can be competitive, very competitive.

I would rather have a team that has a shot at making a run if there are injuries or issues with the "super teams a sleeper team could take it. You have as much a chance of that happening as you do landing a third superstar in the lottery.

YosemiteSam · Post #50 » by **YosemiteSam** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:33 pm

If I'm an insanely rich billionaire in my '80s with a baboon heart I might not think a rebuild is the best use of on waning years. Just sayin'.......

Blue_and_Whte · Post #51 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:35 pm

Just Plain Mark wrote:I just don't see how the Magic are going to be competitive even with Bynum, so if Devos is concerned about fans feeling like they aren't getting their money's worth by watching a rebuild, how much more will fans be upset if Bynum walks and the Magic don't have extra picks or prospects?

I really don't think that the average Magic fan, accustomed to having the best center in the game, is going to feel any real affinity to a middling team with Andrew Bynum in the post. So the "I don't want fans to overpay" concern is going to be an issue no matter what.

I think most fans want hope and potential, preferably in the short term, but definitely in the long term. Bynum provides neither.

+1,
This is the point I've been trying to make since....i dont know....forever. I never understood people wanting to remain competative followed by "We should get bynum. " We'd be stuck with our bad contracts and a less talented injury prone version of Dwight. How does that keep us competitive?

SEBAS-07 · Post #52 » by **SEBAS-07** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:36 pm

trebone wrote:^^^ Im not the biggest Bynum fan but the same people saying we need young talent are saying no to Bynum, you do realize he is a 24 yo allstar C with the potential to be WAY better than Dwight.

Yes I know his knees could go but on the other side he could seriously dominate as well

Defesinvely, he will NEVER be better than Dwight.

Just Plain Mark · Post #53 » by **Just Plain Mark** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:37 pm

jadewbj wrote:I would have disagree with those who don't think you could build a contender around Bynum. On his own team as the focus with good wings and solid defenders you can be competitive, very competitive.

I would rather have a team that has a shot at making a run if there are injuries or issues with the "super teams a sleeper team could take it. You have as much a chance of that happening as you do landing a third superstar in the lottery.

In the oft rumored proposed trades, the Magic give up their best and only great asset (Dwight) to get Bynum. How else can the Magic get "good wings and solid defenders" when Dwight is gone?

While I agree that Bynum could be a core of a contending team in general, I don't think the Magic can do it anytime soon and Bynum's contract status is the same as Howard's so time is of the essence. I don't think Hennigan has enough time to try and convince another center to stay in Orlando.

That's why the Bynum trade is a problem to me: its not that I think Bynum isn't a good starting point for a Howard trade, its just that the Magic will be slightly worse off from a talent standpoint than they are now without any quick fix to keep Bynam in Orlando when the year ends.

meatwad4343 · Post #54 » by **meatwad4343** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:37 pm

trebone wrote:^^^ Im not the biggest Bynum fan but the same people saying we need young talent are saying no to Bynum, you do realize he is a 24 yo allstar C with the potential to be WAY better than Dwight.

Yes I know his knees could go but on the other side he could seriously dominate as well

bynum will last a lot longer than dwight as well. dwight's game is all athelticism, bynum is a lot more skilled.

cedric76 · Post #55 » by **cedric76** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:42 pm

I d be happy with a froncourt, bbd/Nicholson/Bynum/oquin

Bynum+ expiering for d12+hedo+q

Then trade Jr for expiering

Cut duhon next year

MoMM · Post #56 » by **MoMM** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:42 pm

meatwad4343 wrote:
trebone wrote:^^^ Im not the biggest Bynum fan but the same people saying we need young talent are saying no to Bynum, you do realize he is a 24 yo allstar C with the potential to be WAY better than Dwight.

Yes I know his knees could go but on the other side he could seriously dominate as well

bynum will last a lot longer than dwight as well. dwight's game is all athelticism, bynum is a lot more skilled.

Bynum will last a lot longer than D12? Maybe he would, if he hadn't so many injury problems.

Nyce_1 · Post #57 » by **Nyce_1** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:45 pm

seriously, why are we even discussing CLE's trade? Sit back and let Rob earn his stripes.

Speaking of Hennigan, a SAS beat writer was on 740 the game this morning and he said Rob was 4th in command (RC, Pop, Presti, Henny) when he was with the Spurs. At freaking 26 yrs old, dude was the 4th most powerful person in the organization.

With that said, why do you think he'd trade Dwight for garbage?

MoMM · Post #58 » by **MoMM** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:45 pm

Makes sense to trade for AV, that's why we traded for Ayon, because we are going into a rebuilding mode, so the only reason to sold out the seats is by trading for a mexican and a brazilian player...

BTW, Varejão's contract has a 5% trade kicker and is only 4M guaranteed in the last season. I think he can be traded this season for an expiring + 2 1st round picks.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #59 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:53 pm

trebone wrote:^^^ Im not the biggest Bynum fan but the same people saying we need young talent are saying no to Bynum, you do realize he is a 24 yo allstar C with the potential to be WAY better than Dwight.

Yes I know his knees could go but on the other side he could seriously dominate as well

People know how old he is I personally don't think the Magic can afford the risk of him getting injured. Imo I don't want a 24 year old player with the knees of an 80 year old man.

Everyone keeps talking about how bynum was injury free last year well you know what? 60 games isn't much more than his total games played the last three years. So not only was last year not a true test, he's going to get older and his knees will get worse. I would even venture out and say he WILL at some point get injured in an 82 game season. With our luck it'll be right when the PO's start.

Post #60 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:53 pm

The last time D12 had big news was when he opted-in at the trade deadline. Rudolph was the first to know and went on a media blitz that day.

Today, Rudolph breaks D12 willing to commit in LA, goes on NBA.com and smears the Magic and is now again doing a media blitz.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but something smells wrong about all of this. Sounds like D12's PR camp is using Rudolph to smear the Magic, take some blame off of D12. This all just seems too calculated to me.