Official Speculation Thread Pt.LXII

Neon1 · Post #41 » by **Neon1** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:17 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:Ok, thanks for your opinion Kyler.

InFlames · Post #42 » by **InFlames** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:19 pm

Yea that is just Kyler assuming.

OrlandO · Post #43 » by **OrlandO** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:06 am

Posted this in the game thread, but I'll also leave it here:

12th annual GM Survey - all 30 GMs participated:

Who will win the 2013-14 Rookie of the Year?
1. Victor Oladipo, Orlando -- 80.0%
2. Cody Zeller, Charlotte -- 10.0%
Also receiving votes: Anthony Bennett, Cleveland; C.J. McCollum, Portland; Andre Roberson, Oklahoma City
Last year: Anthony Davis -- 76.7%

Which rookie will be the best player in five years?
1. Victor Oladipo, Orlando -- 40.0%
2. Cody Zeller, Charlotte -- 13.3%
3. Anthony Bennett, Cleveland; Ben McLemore, Sacramento -- 10.0%
5. Kelly Olynyk, Boston -- 6.7%
Also receiving votes: Steven Adams, Oklahoma City; Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee; Michael Carter-Williams, Philadelphia; Shane Larkin, Dallas; C.J. McCollum, Portland; Nerlens Noel, Philadelphia
Last year: Anthony Davis -- 86.7%

http://www.nba.com/news/2013-14-nba-gm- ... f:nbahpt3a

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #44 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:30 am

Oladipo got more votes than davis did last year? Thats kind of crazy seeing as how split the media seemed on him. half of the media was convinced he was tony allen at best and had no talent but bmac is the next coming of jesus (shuttlesworth) Compare that to davis who was a consensus first pick and dipo wasnt and im kind of shocked

NEM · Post #45 » by **NEM** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:43 am

Gomagic44 wrote:I think Harkless deserves a starting spot. I also like faried, but he would be a bad fit with Vuc. We need an ibaka type at pf.

Over who? And based on what?

Over afflalo? Ok I don't like afflalo and can't wait till he's gone, but he deserves a starting spot over moe. He has proven to be a better player and should be starting over moe

Over Harris? Not a chance he deserves it over him... Harris skillset is far superior to that of moe, therefore Harris gets the nod

Big baby? See my explanation for afflalo

InFlames · Post #46 » by **InFlames** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:53 am

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:Oladipo got more votes than davis did last year? Thats kind of crazy seeing as how split the media seemed on him. half of the media was convinced he was tony allen at best and had no talent but bmac is the next coming of jesus (shuttlesworth) Compare that to davis who was a consensus first pick and dipo wasnt and im kind of shocked

Dipo was probably #1 on everyones big board except for Cleveland's. Which is also weird considering they drafted a tweener that will play Thompson's position when Thompson has been showing huge promise. I guess they are just higher on Waiters. It seemed like every team in the league was trying to move up to draft him that night. It just shows how little the media and us the fans know about this stuff compared to NBA teams.

OrlandO · Post #47 » by **OrlandO** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:59 am

magic season preview from nbatv: http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_t ... ction.nba/

Magic#1 · Post #48 » by **Magic#1** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:35 am

OrlandO wrote:Posted this in the game thread, but I'll also leave it here:

12th annual GM Survey - all 30 GMs participated:
Who will win the 2013-14 Rookie of the Year?
1. Victor Oladipo, Orlando -- 80.0%
2. Cody Zeller, Charlotte -- 10.0%
Also receiving votes: Anthony Bennett, Cleveland; C.J. McCollum, Portland; Andre Roberson, Oklahoma City
Last year: Anthony Davis -- 76.7%

Which rookie will be the best player in five years?
1. Victor Oladipo, Orlando -- 40.0%
2. Cody Zeller, Charlotte -- 13.3%
3. Anthony Bennett, Cleveland; Ben McLemore, Sacramento -- 10.0%
5. Kelly Olynyk, Boston -- 6.7%
Also receiving votes: Steven Adams, Oklahoma City; Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee; Michael Carter-Williams, Philadelphia; Shane Larkin, Dallas; C.J. McCollum, Portland; Nerlens Noel, Philadelphia
Last year: Anthony Davis -- 86.7%

http://www.nba.com/news/2013-14-nba-gm- ... f:nbahpt3a

Who in their right mind voted for Andre Roberson? Dipo really should be able to run away with it this year, especially with Burke out awhile.

Smooth_E · Post #49 » by **Smooth_E** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:00 am

Magic#1 wrote:
OrlandO wrote:Posted this in the game thread, but I'll also leave it here:

12th annual GM Survey - all 30 GMs participated:
Who will win the 2013-14 Rookie of the Year?
1. Victor Oladipo, Orlando -- 80.0%
2. Cody Zeller, Charlotte -- 10.0%
Also receiving votes: Anthony Bennett, Cleveland; C.J. McCollum, Portland; Andre Roberson, Oklahoma City
Last year: Anthony Davis -- 76.7%

Which rookie will be the best player in five years?
1. Victor Oladipo, Orlando -- 40.0%
2. Cody Zeller, Charlotte -- 13.3%
3. Anthony Bennett, Cleveland; Ben McLemore, Sacramento -- 10.0%
5. Kelly Olynyk, Boston -- 6.7%
Also receiving votes: Steven Adams, Oklahoma City; Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee; Michael Carter-Williams, Philadelphia; Shane Larkin, Dallas; C.J. McCollum, Portland; Nerlens Noel, Philadelphia
Last year: Anthony Davis -- 86.7%

http://www.nba.com/news/2013-14-nba-gm- ... f:nbahpt3a

Who in their right mind voted for Andre Roberson? Dipo really should be able to run away with it this year, especially with Burke out awhile.

Orlwillbeback · Post #50 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:20 am

Neon1 wrote:The Tobias thing has to do with Afflalo and Nelson. There is a reason you haven't seen Tobias mixed in with those two (or even one of them for that matter). Not talking just starting with them...I mean he hasn't played with them even off the bench.

Power struggle. The vets prefer playing with Moe because Moe plays subservient when he is on court with them, he just goes and stands in the corner. This is the reason Moe goes long stretches of inactivity and then only explodes in bursts while he is playing with Tobias (talking last year and this pre) and Oladipo etc.

Everybody remembers Afflalo and Nelson having issues with Tobias and freezing Tobias out last year when he showed up taking command on court and in the huddles.

I don't think they take kindly to a 20 year old kid just showing up halfway through the season and trying to take the leadership role.

Vaughn is folding to his vets.

if this is true, then AA and Jameer need to act like men and fcking grow up.

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #51 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:25 am

InFlames wrote:
IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:Oladipo got more votes than davis did last year? Thats kind of crazy seeing as how split the media seemed on him. half of the media was convinced he was tony allen at best and had no talent but bmac is the next coming of jesus (shuttlesworth) Compare that to davis who was a consensus first pick and dipo wasnt and im kind of shocked

Dipo was probably #1 on everyones big board except for Cleveland's. Which is also weird considering they drafted a tweener that will play Thompson's position when Thompson has been showing huge promise. I guess they are just higher on Waiters. It seemed like every team in the league was trying to move up to draft him that night. It just shows how little the media and us the fans know about this stuff compared to NBA teams.

Yeah and in the nfl the media was hyping up geno to go top 5 and the guy went in the second round, they really don't know much

rcklsscognition · Post #52 » by **rcklsscognition** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:36 am

Neon1 wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:Ok, thanks for your opinion Kyler.

You guys constantly hate on Kyler and Kennedy and I don't get it. These are the two guys that talk to our players just about every day. They talk in person, on the phone, text, etc. Outside of the Orlando Magic staff, I'd say Kyler and Kennedy know the most about our players out of anyone even Denton who is more national media type knowledge.

Gomagic44 · Post #53 » by **Gomagic44** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:44 am

NEM wrote:
Gomagic44 wrote:I think Harkless deserves a starting spot. I also like faried, but he would be a bad fit with Vuc. We need an ibaka type at pf.

Over who? And based on what?

Over afflalo? Ok I don't like afflalo and can't wait till he's gone, but he deserves a starting spot over moe. He has proven to be a better player and should be starting over moe

Over Harris? Not a chance he deserves it over him... Harris skillset is far superior to that of moe, therefore Harris gets the nod

Big baby? See my explanation for afflalo

Based on my oppinion. Baby is injured so I would go dipo,aa,hark,Harris, Vuc.

Aa and baby are not in our future. We are not in win now mode. I understand we may want to showcase aa and baby for a trade around deadline. But I want to develop our young guys.

MagicStarwipe · Post #54 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:59 am

rcklsscognition wrote:
Neon1 wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:Ok, thanks for your opinion Kyler.

You guys constantly hate on Kyler and Kennedy and I don't get it. These are the two guys that talk to our players just about every day. They talk in person, on the phone, text, etc. Outside of the Orlando Magic staff, I'd say Kyler and Kennedy know the most about our players out of anyone even Denton who is more national media type knowledge.

Not hating on him. But he's got to be careful not to misrepresent players. He's stating his opinion that Moe won't be happy coming off the bench and the way he's saying it makes it seem like Moe is going to cause trouble in the locker room or something. Moe probably wont be happy coming off the bench, but there's not too much he can say if there are better players ahead of him. I don't think he'll kick up much of a fuss as long as he's given a fair shake. And if his hard work isn't translating to games like he would like it to then he can only look in the mirror and work even harder.

NEM · Post #55 » by **NEM** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:53 am

Gomagic44 wrote:
NEM wrote:
Gomagic44 wrote:I think Harkless deserves a starting spot. I also like faried, but he would be a bad fit with Vuc. We need an ibaka type at pf.

Over who? And based on what?

Over afflalo? Ok I don't like afflalo and can't wait till he's gone, but he deserves a starting spot over moe. He has proven to be a better player and should be starting over moe

Over Harris? Not a chance he deserves it over him... Harris skillset is far superior to that of moe, therefore Harris gets the nod

Big baby? See my explanation for afflalo

Based on my oppinion. Baby is injured so I would go dipo,aa,hark,Harris, Vuc.

Aa and baby are not in our future. We are not in win now mode. I understand we may want to showcase aa and baby for a trade around deadline. But I want to develop our young guys.

It has nothing to do with "win now"

Ask yourself this: is harkless our best player at ANY position?

Pg? No jameer and dipo beat him
Sg? No, afflalo and dipo beat him (as does Tobias if we really wanted to put him there)
Sf? No, Tobias beats him
Pf? No, Tobias, big baby, and possibly Nicholson beat him
C? No, vuc beats him

When all of out players are healthy, there is no reason moe should be starting. He's just not that good. Sorry to be Blount, but he's not... Everything that he supposedly "improved" in the offseason, he hasn't.

He's still shooting 21% from 3
He's averaging 12, 2, 1, 2, 1 and 2 TO in 28 minutes... Those are bench player #'s. I guess he has improved his free throw shooting from 55 to 77 and that's great and all but his per 36's are less than stellar

15 points
3 rebounds
1 assist
2.4 steals
1 block
3 turnovers

The points are up a bit, and that can probably be attributed to his free throw shooting but his rebounding has actually gotten worse than this time last year... He's just a role player, but Vaughn has this infatuation with him to the point where he's gonna bench Tobias, who is our best or second best player, just so moe will start.

I'm on the moe and the Philly pick for faried bandwagon

Oladipo
Afflalo
Harris
Faried
Vucevic

That's a playoff 5 right there...

MagicStarwipe · Post #56 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:57 am

Moe's had some pretty nice defensive moments too don't forget. That is and should be a big part of his game and our evaluation of him.

T-Rob · Post #57 » by **T-Rob** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:07 am

NEM wrote:
Gomagic44 wrote:
NEM wrote:
Over who? And based on what?

Over afflalo? Ok I don't like afflalo and can't wait till he's gone, but he deserves a starting spot over moe. He has proven to be a better player and should be starting over moe

Over Harris? Not a chance he deserves it over him... Harris skillset is far superior to that of moe, therefore Harris gets the nod

Big baby? See my explanation for afflalo

Based on my oppinion. Baby is injured so I would go dipo,aa,hark,Harris, Vuc.

Aa and baby are not in our future. We are not in win now mode. I understand we may want to showcase aa and baby for a trade around deadline. But I want to develop our young guys.

It has nothing to do with "win now"

Ask yourself this: is harkless our best player at ANY position?

Pg? No jameer and dipo beat him
Sg? No, afflalo and dipo beat him (as does Tobias if we really wanted to put him there)
Sf? No, Tobias beats him
Pf? No, Tobias, big baby, and possibly Nicholson beat him
C? No, vuc beats him

When all of out players are healthy, there is no reason moe should be starting. He's just not that good. Sorry to be Blount, but he's not... Everything that he supposedly "improved" in the offseason, he hasn't.

He's still shooting 21% from 3
He's averaging 12, 2, 1, 2, 1 and 2 TO in 28 minutes... Those are bench player #'s. I guess he has improved his free throw shooting from 55 to 77 and that's great and all but his per 36's are less than stellar

15 points
3 rebounds
1 assist
2.4 steals
1 block
3 turnovers

The points are up a bit, and that can probably be attributed to his free throw shooting but his rebounding has actually gotten worse than this time last year... He's just a role player, but Vaughn has this infatuation with him to the point where he's gonna bench Tobias, who is our best or second best player, just so moe will start.

I'm on the moe and the Philly pick for faried bandwagon

Oladipo
Afflalo
Harris
Faried
Vucevic

That's a playoff 5 right there...

I disagree whole heartedly with pretty much everything you just said. That is all.

NEM · Post #58 » by **NEM** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:13 am

T-Rob wrote:
NEM wrote:
Gomagic44 wrote:
Based on my oppinion. Baby is injured so I would go dipo,aa,hark,Harris, Vuc.

Aa and baby are not in our future. We are not in win now mode. I understand we may want to showcase aa and baby for a trade around deadline. But I want to develop our young guys.

It has nothing to do with "win now"

Ask yourself this: is harkless our best player at ANY position?

Pg? No jameer and dipo beat him
Sg? No, afflalo and dipo beat him (as does Tobias if we really wanted to put him there)
Sf? No, Tobias beats him
Pf? No, Tobias, big baby, and possibly Nicholson beat him
C? No, vuc beats him

When all of out players are healthy, there is no reason moe should be starting. He's just not that good. Sorry to be Blount, but he's not... Everything that he supposedly "improved" in the offseason, he hasn't.

He's still shooting 21% from 3
He's averaging 12, 2, 1, 2, 1 and 2 TO in 28 minutes... Those are bench player #'s. I guess he has improved his free throw shooting from 55 to 77 and that's great and all but his per 36's are less than stellar

15 points
3 rebounds
1 assist
2.4 steals
1 block
3 turnovers

The points are up a bit, and that can probably be attributed to his free throw shooting but his rebounding has actually gotten worse than this time last year... He's just a role player, but Vaughn has this infatuation with him to the point where he's gonna bench Tobias, who is our best or second best player, just so moe will start.

I'm on the moe and the Philly pick for faried bandwagon

Oladipo
Afflalo
Harris
Faried
Vucevic

That's a playoff 5 right there...

I disagree with you whole heartedly. Moe hater.

I'm a hater? Because everything I listed is fact. I have no reason to hate moe. If he would have come back this season looking like Jordan no one would be happier than me, trust me. However, he doesn't look like an nba starter to me and once everyone turns on him, I'll be the one pointing out what good he does while everyone else is saying "he sucks" "trade him for a bag of Doritos" etc... My vision for moe has ALWAYS been, since the day we got him, a good role player on a great team, just like Trevor ariza... And that's pushing it because ariza actually does more on the court than moe does and is more effecient.

But I'll take the "hater" label... Until you all label me a "moe apologist" after y'all turn on him...

Orlwillbeback · Post #59 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:20 am

Moe has always been underwhelming and apparently still is. Even his touted defense is overrated.

rcklsscognition · Post #60 » by **rcklsscognition** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:08 am

You gotta give Moe 3 Months to show an uptick in per36 then we can discuss getting rid of him. I don't think he will give us much more but I certainly hope so.