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Re: Trade for Aaron Affalo ? 

Post#41 » by j_n » Mon May 26, 2014 9:03 pm

SOUL wrote:Afflalo is very overrated in these parts - but all it takes is an overeager GM to get great value. He's a great player for his contract, but it's yet to be seen what sort of option he should be on a playoff team. I'm not sure what package we'd move him for.

He really isnt and I doubt we let him go for #9 unless were sure that he wont re sign here.

His age is not nearly as big of an issue as its being made because players with his skill set tend to age well and keep their high level well into their 30s.

The bad team argument is almost irrelevant because its not like he was scoring inefficiently on a high volume, he had a TS of 57% which is very good but the main thing that posters around here underrate is his ability to create his own offense in the half court which is very important in the playoffs.

If we compare him with any other player that attempted at least 5 jumpshots off the dribble Afflalo was #1 in fg%, with 43.9%, followed by Curry (43.6%), Paul (43.4%) and Durant( 42.7%), which is a pretty big indicator of how likely you are to get on the board when Afflalo attempts a jumpshot although it ignores 3 pointers so its not the best stat though its still pretty valuable.

If we look at his efg% (counting 3 pointers) on pull ups he is ranked 6th on that list with efg of 47.1% only behind Curry(53%), Durant(49.5%), Lillard(48%), Harden and Paul(47.6%) so still pretty good company to follow and he just was ahead of Dragic, Crawford(46.9%) and Kyrie(46.7%).

Its worth mentioning that many of the older players that still play at high level like Dirk, Parker,Crawford Joe Johnson and Wade are also pretty high on those lists while other older players whose game declined very fast once they aged like Manu, Iguadala, David West and Boozer are very low on those lists so I think its a pretty good indication of Afflalo's game in the next few years.
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Re: Trade for Aaron Affalo ? 

Post#42 » by j-ragg » Mon May 26, 2014 9:08 pm

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thelead wrote:We sent them crying back to their board :lol:

Seriously though, it's not like we're unreasonable. We want your 9th pick, you feel like it's too much (it probably is). You want to give up the 24th pick for him, we feel like it's not enough (it probably isn't). Most likely, his true value is somewhere in the middle (14-16 pick). If you want to give us the 24th pick, you'll have to add value (ie: trash =/= value).

For those that don't think that he's an upgrade over Henderson, you don't know basketball. At all.

For the "scored points on a bad team" crowd, it's not about the points, it's about the efficiency. He was doubled teamed this year as the main option many times and still put up 18ppg on a 57% TS%. That's pretty damn good for a SG that attempted 4.1 3's per game. He shot 43% from 3's, 47% from 2's and 82% from the FT line. Go check out the advanced stats for Henderson and get back to me on how great he performed in comparison.


Good luck with Exum and pick 12 (I have no Earthly idea who will be there).

Probably some quality player the Hornets pass up on for the opportunity to draft McDermott.
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Re: Trade for Aaron Affalo ? 

Post#43 » by MasterIchiro » Mon May 26, 2014 9:11 pm

j-ragg wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
thelead wrote:We sent them crying back to their board :lol:

Seriously though, it's not like we're unreasonable. We want your 9th pick, you feel like it's too much (it probably is). You want to give up the 24th pick for him, we feel like it's not enough (it probably isn't). Most likely, his true value is somewhere in the middle (14-16 pick). If you want to give us the 24th pick, you'll have to add value (ie: trash =/= value).

For those that don't think that he's an upgrade over Henderson, you don't know basketball. At all.

For the "scored points on a bad team" crowd, it's not about the points, it's about the efficiency. He was doubled teamed this year as the main option many times and still put up 18ppg on a 57% TS%. That's pretty damn good for a SG that attempted 4.1 3's per game. He shot 43% from 3's, 47% from 2's and 82% from the FT line. Go check out the advanced stats for Henderson and get back to me on how great he performed in comparison.


Good luck with Exum and pick 12 (I have no Earthly idea who will be there).


Probably some quality player the Hornets pass up on for the opportunity to draft McDermott.


I hope not. Our board is worried about Gary Harris.

Board consensus seems to be Nik Stauskas but it's early.

Maybe you'll get James Young there at 12, best case scenario.
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Re: Trade for Aaron Affalo ? 

Post#44 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon May 26, 2014 9:11 pm

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thelead wrote:Cool. We'll gladly trade him to a better team with better assets then :wink:

Good luck. A 29 year old one year left on his contract middle of the road SG isn't going to bring a ton. Scoring a lot of a terrible team doesn't really mean much.


You want a quality 29 year old starting SG but only want to give up trash though? We could, you know, keep him...


Please do.
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Re: Trade for Aaron Affalo ? 

Post#45 » by j-ragg » Mon May 26, 2014 9:17 pm

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jdm3 wrote:Good luck. A 29 year old one year left on his contract middle of the road SG isn't going to bring a ton. Scoring a lot of a terrible team doesn't really mean much.


You want a quality 29 year old starting SG but only want to give up trash though? We could, you know, keep him...


Please do.

We're not the ones on your board asking you for your players so... I guess we're fine with keeping him? :D
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Re: Trade for Aaron Affalo ? 

Post#46 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon May 26, 2014 9:20 pm

j-ragg wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
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You want a quality 29 year old starting SG but only want to give up trash though? We could, you know, keep him...


Please do.

We're not the ones on your board asking you for your players so... I guess we're fine with keeping him? :D


I guess so. Personally im not that interested. We will see how it unfolds though.
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Re: Trade for Aaron Affalo ? 

Post#47 » by basketballRob » Mon May 26, 2014 9:31 pm

I'm sure the Magic would take a future no. 1 for him. I also like the idea of trading him to Minnesota for Gorky Dieng but I don't think they would do it.
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Post#48 » by orthoman » Mon May 26, 2014 9:39 pm

We'll trade Aflfalo + "sweeten" the package with D. Lamb and Price for #9 and Biyombo
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Re: Trade for Aaron Affalo ? 

Post#49 » by SOUL » Mon May 26, 2014 9:58 pm

j_n wrote:
SOUL wrote:Afflalo is very overrated in these parts - but all it takes is an overeager GM to get great value. He's a great player for his contract, but it's yet to be seen what sort of option he should be on a playoff team. I'm not sure what package we'd move him for.

He really isnt and I doubt we let him go for #9 unless were sure that he wont re sign here.

His age is not nearly as big of an issue as its being made because players with his skill set tend to age well and keep their high level well into their 30s.

The bad team argument is almost irrelevant because its not like he was scoring inefficiently on a high volume, he had a TS of 57% which is very good but the main thing that posters around here underrate is his ability to create his own offense in the half court which is very important in the playoffs.

If we compare him with any other player that attempted at least 5 jumpshots off the dribble Afflalo was #1 in fg%, with 43.9%, followed by Curry (43.6%), Paul (43.4%) and Durant( 42.7%), which is a pretty big indicator of how likely you are to get on the board when Afflalo attempts a jumpshot although it ignores 3 pointers so its not the best stat though its still pretty valuable.

If we look at his efg% (counting 3 pointers) on pull ups he is ranked 6th on that list with efg of 47.1% only behind Curry(53%), Durant(49.5%), Lillard(48%), Harden and Paul(47.6%) so still pretty good company to follow and he just was ahead of Dragic, Crawford(46.9%) and Kyrie(46.7%).

Its worth mentioning that many of the older players that still play at high level like Dirk, Parker,Crawford Joe Johnson and Wade are also pretty high on those lists while other older players whose game declined very fast once they aged like Manu, Iguadala, David West and Boozer are very low on those lists so I think its a pretty good indication of Afflalo's game in the next few years.


I didn't really check the trade offers from this thread, just in general I think Magic fans expect a LOT from a trade involving him.
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Re: Trade for Aaron Affalo ? 

Post#50 » by MasterIchiro » Mon May 26, 2014 10:11 pm

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j_n wrote:
SOUL wrote:Afflalo is very overrated in these parts - but all it takes is an overeager GM to get great value. He's a great player for his contract, but it's yet to be seen what sort of option he should be on a playoff team. I'm not sure what package we'd move him for.

He really isnt and I doubt we let him go for #9 unless were sure that he wont re sign here.

His age is not nearly as big of an issue as its being made because players with his skill set tend to age well and keep their high level well into their 30s.

The bad team argument is almost irrelevant because its not like he was scoring inefficiently on a high volume, he had a TS of 57% which is very good but the main thing that posters around here underrate is his ability to create his own offense in the half court which is very important in the playoffs.

If we compare him with any other player that attempted at least 5 jumpshots off the dribble Afflalo was #1 in fg%, with 43.9%, followed by Curry (43.6%), Paul (43.4%) and Durant( 42.7%), which is a pretty big indicator of how likely you are to get on the board when Afflalo attempts a jumpshot although it ignores 3 pointers so its not the best stat though its still pretty valuable.

If we look at his efg% (counting 3 pointers) on pull ups he is ranked 6th on that list with efg of 47.1% only behind Curry(53%), Durant(49.5%), Lillard(48%), Harden and Paul(47.6%) so still pretty good company to follow and he just was ahead of Dragic, Crawford(46.9%) and Kyrie(46.7%).

Its worth mentioning that many of the older players that still play at high level like Dirk, Parker,Crawford Joe Johnson and Wade are also pretty high on those lists while other older players whose game declined very fast once they aged like Manu, Iguadala, David West and Boozer are very low on those lists so I think its a pretty good indication of Afflalo's game in the next few years.


I didn't really check the trade offers from this thread, just in general I think Magic fans expect a LOT from a trade involving him.


Sixers fans acted the same way all season with Evan Turner. What I like about Afflalo is his shooting efficiency and athleticism. What I don't like is we have Josh McRoberts as our 2nd ball handler and that really hinders Kemba Walker. We need a legit 2nd ball handler and since MKG is likely our SF, that leaves SG as a ball handling spot. My pick is Stauskas.

I'd be interested in MKG for Afflalo + 12 but our board would crucify me for that. MKG is a sacred cow over on our board.
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Re: Trade for Aaron Affalo ? 

Post#51 » by j_n » Mon May 26, 2014 10:35 pm

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Sixers fans acted the same way all season with Evan Turner. What I like about Afflalo is his shooting efficiency and athleticism. What I don't like is we have Josh McRoberts as our 2nd ball handler and that really hinders Kemba Walker. We need a legit 2nd ball handler and since MKG is likely our SF, that leaves SG as a ball handling spot. My pick is Stauskas.

I'd be interested in MKG for Afflalo + 12 but our board would crucify me for that. MKG is a sacred cow over on our board.

There is no comparison between Afflalo and Turner, two entirely different situation and players and the fact that you think there is some indication to Afflalo's value based on Turner or that Afflalo is athletic says a lot about how much you know about his game and his value so I really dont understand how you can be so sure that Orlando wont be able to get a lottery pick for him.
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Re: Trade for Aaron Affalo ? 

Post#52 » by MasterIchiro » Mon May 26, 2014 10:39 pm

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MasterIchiro wrote:[
Sixers fans acted the same way all season with Evan Turner. What I like about Afflalo is his shooting efficiency and athleticism. What I don't like is we have Josh McRoberts as our 2nd ball handler and that really hinders Kemba Walker. We need a legit 2nd ball handler and since MKG is likely our SF, that leaves SG as a ball handling spot. My pick is Stauskas.

I'd be interested in MKG for Afflalo + 12 but our board would crucify me for that. MKG is a sacred cow over on our board.

There is no comparison between Afflalo and Turner, two entirely different situation and players and the fact that you think there is some indication to Afflalo's value based on Turner or that Afflalo is athletic says a lot about how much you know about his game and his value so I really dont understand how you can be so sure that Orlando wont be able to get a lottery pick for him.


Turner was the vet leader on his team, 25, younger than Afflalo. He was averaging 18.5 before the Sixers pulled the trigger, same as Afflalo. Both can play SG/SF. Turner is a much better ball handler while Afflalo a far more efficient shooter and better scorer.

Afflalo is the better overall player, but the gap is not 2nd rounder to lottery pick.

Go for the Thunder pick at 21.
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Re: Trade for Aaron Affalo ? 

Post#53 » by Radu_Hornets » Mon May 26, 2014 10:44 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Sixers fans acted the same way all season with Evan Turner. What I like about Afflalo is his shooting efficiency and athleticism. What I don't like is we have Josh McRoberts as our 2nd ball handler and that really hinders Kemba Walker. We need a legit 2nd ball handler and since MKG is likely our SF, that leaves SG as a ball handling spot. My pick is Stauskas.

I'd be interested in MKG for Afflalo + 12 but our board would crucify me for that. MKG is a sacred cow over on our board.


I actually laugh because it's so true haha :lol:
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Re: Trade for Aaron Affalo ? 

Post#54 » by OrlandO » Mon May 26, 2014 10:53 pm

jdm3 wrote:Well I consider 29 old which is what AA would be here.

Today I learned LeBron James is old.

Age is an issue for our rebuilding team, but it really shouldn't be much of one for a team in win-now mode. You think the Clippers cared about Redick being 29 when they signed him?

Al is also a below the rim player who relies very little on athletic ability.

And Afflalo is... an above the rim player who relies heavily on athletic ability? You realize Afflalo only had two dunks this season, right? He doesn't rely on athleticism, he relies on his teammates and his shooting skills. He'll be able to score the same way he does now for years to come.
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Post#55 » by bigdogdylan5 » Mon May 26, 2014 10:57 pm

Radu_Bobcats wrote:Yeah #9 is clearly not happening.

I think that the most we can offer with respect to the draft, is the #24 pick and any combination of player not named: Kemba, mkg, zeller, big al.

Wow so you come to our board ignore our trade and speculation thread and post some BS thread where you make your only decent assets unavailable for our best trade asset? Seriously what are u and this other guy smoking. Take your homer comments to your board dont subject us to them.
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Re: Trade for Aaron Affalo ? 

Post#56 » by j_n » Mon May 26, 2014 10:59 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Turner was the vet leader on his team, 25, younger than Afflalo. He was averaging 18.5 before the Sixers pulled the trigger, same as Afflalo. Both can play SG/SF. Turner is a much better ball handler while Afflalo a far more efficient shooter and better scorer.

Afflalo is the better overall player, but the gap is not 2nd rounder to lottery pick.

Go for the Thunder pick at 21.

Turner was a bad locker room presence that was able to average 18.5 on a very poor TS% despite playing for the fastest paced team in the NBA and depsite the fact that 43% of his offense came in transition which means his poor efficiency should (and did) go even lower on a normal paced team, especially in the playoffs where the game becomes slower.

Unlike Afflalo, Turner was very inefficient in the half court and didnt provide much spacing with his non existing ability to play off other players.

Unlike Orlando, Philly knew that they dont want to resign him so they were willing to take anything they could for him because it beat the alternative of letting him go for nothing which is what they were going to do.

Afflalo's value as far as skills go, is definitly worth a lottery pick and his locker room presence and leadership are an added bonus that any team would value.

I doubt we will ever see who is right about Afflalo's value in terms of draft picks because our GM never gave any indication that hes looking to trade him but if he did I would be shocked if hes traded for less than a lottery pick, my bet would be on a top 10 pick easily.
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Post#57 » by bigdogdylan5 » Mon May 26, 2014 11:03 pm

la boomstick wrote:I love how these discussions involve regular posters pretending to be GMs trying to gauge what deals would be satisfactory. It serves as a reminder that I'm thankful none of you are REAL GMs.

I am sorry but isnt this site called realgm? You dont want us gauging value of trades and players what do you want us to do? Because we have to bend to your every whim *sarcasm
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Post#58 » by bigdogdylan5 » Mon May 26, 2014 11:08 pm

We need to lock this thread up wow these guys dont want affalo and are trashing him but yet they make a thread asking what we want for him???? I mean really? Stop spewing your opinions here they are not welcome if you are gonna laugh at us and make all your decent players unavailable.
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Post#59 » by HeartAndHustle » Mon May 26, 2014 11:18 pm

Lets trade our best player for garbage players playing for a garbage franchise. Makes sense.
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Re: Trade for Aaron Affalo ? 

Post#60 » by MagicFan32 » Mon May 26, 2014 11:32 pm

Radu_Bobcats wrote:Yeah #9 is clearly not happening.

I think that the most we can offer with respect to the draft, is the #24 pick and any combination of player not named: Kemba, mkg, zeller, big al.

gross, just gross. so basically you want to rip us off GG
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