The Trade Thread II

[Baka_La Flame]

I'd do that Portland trade. Don't think they would include the pick tho. Hell indeed do it for the pick and filler

[OrlandoDream]

Throw in their 17 pick and I really dont see us getting a better offer. If POR would do that deal, I would pull it. Get some young wings, vonleh is still in his rookie scale and can play behind AG, and a 1st round in this draft. Dont see it getting any better.

Oh and we get rid of Jeff Green

[PennytoShaq]

Throw in their 17 pick and I really dont see us getting a better offer. If POR would do that deal, I would pull it. Get some young wings, vonleh is still in his rookie scale and can play behind AG, and a 1st round in this draft. Dont see it getting any better.

Oh and we get rid of Jeff Green

So you don't see it getting better than Crabbe making 18 million for 4 years? The same people who complain about Fournier and Biz would absolutely melt down over this.

This also hurts our cap pretty badly.

I like Crabbe to be honest. But his contract is rough. I'd be going for better young assets if I am taking back something of that size.

[OrlandoDream]

Throw in their 17 pick and I really dont see us getting a better offer. If POR would do that deal, I would pull it. Get some young wings, vonleh is still in his rookie scale and can play behind AG, and a 1st round in this draft. Dont see it getting any better.

Oh and we get rid of Jeff Green

So you don't see it getting better than Crabbe making 18 million for 4 years? The same people who complain about Fournier and Biz would absolutely melt down over this.

This also hurts our cap pretty badly.

I like Crabbe to be honest. But his contract is rough. I'd be going for better young assets if I am taking back something of that size.

The only other young assets they have are Lillard and Mccollum.....off the table. This is the best we can do. Crabbe is good. he can get hot, shoot lights out, and still young(23), and is not an awful defender like Fournier. The other two guys are toss-ins and see if we an get something out of them. I like Vonleh coming into draft night. For some reason hasn't been able to put it together yet. The real centerpiece here is that 17 pick. It could potentially be a late lottery or early 20s. A lot of gems in this draft. You never know who will fall.

I dont know many teams that will be willing to give up more for Ibaka 2-3 month rental.

[PennytoShaq]

Throw in their 17 pick and I really dont see us getting a better offer. If POR would do that deal, I would pull it. Get some young wings, vonleh is still in his rookie scale and can play behind AG, and a 1st round in this draft. Dont see it getting any better.

Oh and we get rid of Jeff Green

So you don't see it getting better than Crabbe making 18 million for 4 years? The same people who complain about Fournier and Biz would absolutely melt down over this.

This also hurts our cap pretty badly.

I like Crabbe to be honest. But his contract is rough. I'd be going for better young assets if I am taking back something of that size.

The only other young assets they have are Lillard and Mccollum.....off the table. This is the best we can do. Crabbe is good. he can get hot, shoot lights out, and still young(23), and is not an awful defender like Fournier. The other two guys are toss-ins and see if we an get something out of them. I like Vonleh coming into draft night. For some reason hasn't been able to put it together yet. The real centerpiece here is that 17 pick. It could potentially be a late lottery or early 20s. A lot of gems in this draft. You never know who will fall.

I dont know many teams that will be willing to give up more for Ibaka 2-3 month rental.

Why would Portland? That makes no sense, going by your logic. The Spurs, Boston, TOR, HOU - those are teams Ibaka would resign with. I'd rather trade with them.

[Bensational]

Throw in their 17 pick and I really dont see us getting a better offer. If POR would do that deal, I would pull it. Get some young wings, vonleh is still in his rookie scale and can play behind AG, and a 1st round in this draft. Dont see it getting any better.

Oh and we get rid of Jeff Green

So you don't see it getting better than Crabbe making 18 million for 4 years? The same people who complain about Fournier and Biz would absolutely melt down over this.

This also hurts our cap pretty badly.

I like Crabbe to be honest. But his contract is rough. I'd be going for better young assets if I am taking back something of that size.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of helping Portland out from under their pile of crappy contracts. If I'm making a deal with them I'd target the guys on good value contracts who were making a big difference for them last season.

ORL: Aminu + Davis + Vonleh

POR: Ibaka

Aminu and Davis have great value deals and they play defense. They're relatively anaemic on offense, but picking up some good value role players will be good for this team. Vonleh is just a bit of youth.

It's not my favourite deal, but I'd rather get something back than nothing.

Vuc/Biyombo
Davis/Vonleh
AG/Aminu
Hezonja/Fournier
Payton/Augustin

[PennytoShaq]

I think we are going to do better than that. I say this because so many teams are rumored to be in discussion right now. That really helps us out.

[BadMofoPimp]

If we want a young player and pick I really think a trade with Portland makes too much sense.

Allen Crabbe
Noah Vonelh
'17 1st (Top 5 protected) currently slotted @ #12

for

Ibaka
Meeks

Orlando gets a young wing that can shoots lights out that has potential and locked up and a flier in Vonelh and a potential lottery pick. Crabbe could immediately start next to Gordon.

I don't know about that. Crabbe and Vonleh just scream career bench warmers. To get that after giving away Dipo/11th pick would be a disaster for this team.

[Magic_Johnny12]

If we want a young player and pick I really think a trade with Portland makes too much sense.

Allen Crabbe
Noah Vonelh
'17 1st (Top 5 protected) currently slotted @ #12

for

Ibaka
Meeks

Orlando gets a young wing that can shoots lights out that has potential and locked up and a flier in Vonelh and a potential lottery pick. Crabbe could immediately start next to Gordon.

I don't know about that. Crabbe and Vonleh just scream career bench warmers. To get that after giving away Dipo/11th pick would be a disaster for this team.

I much rather have this trade and a potential lottery pick than anything the other teams can offer TBH. Late 1st rd. picks and marginal players like Ross don't excite me much.

Crabbe is surely expensive, but could potentially break out on a team that desperately needs shooting and a play maker. I could def. see Harrison Barnes numbers with better efficiency.

[BCS]

If we want a young player and pick I really think a trade with Portland makes too much sense.

Allen Crabbe
Noah Vonelh
'17 1st (Top 5 protected) currently slotted @ #12

for

Ibaka
Meeks

Orlando gets a young wing that can shoots lights out that has potential and locked up and a flier in Vonelh and a potential lottery pick. Crabbe could immediately start next to Gordon.

I don't know about that. Crabbe and Vonleh just scream career bench warmers. To get that after giving away Dipo/11th pick would be a disaster for this team.

I much rather have this trade and a potential lottery pick than anything the other teams can offer TBH. Late 1st rd. picks and marginal players like Ross don't excite me much.

Crabbe is surely expensive, but could potentially break out on a team that desperately needs shooting and a play maker. I could def. see Harrison Barnes numbers with better efficiency.

If we don't want Crabbe, we could probably just gift Crabbe to Brooklyn, they need all the help they can get, no one is signing with them unless they seriously overpay a mediocre player might as well take a chance on a young player like Crabbe.

Also, the main asset is the pick, the trade doesn't have to involve Crabbe, Aminu and Davis have friendly contracts, Ezeli is unguaranteed next year. In other words it's not about the players we get back, it's about their pick which will be in the teens. No other team that wants him can offer that except Bos but they will never give up their BKN pick for Ibaka. So Portland is the only team that makes somewhat reasonable sense.

[DusterBuster]

If we want a young player and pick I really think a trade with Portland makes too much sense.

Allen Crabbe
Noah Vonelh
'17 1st (Top 5 protected) currently slotted @ #12

for

Ibaka
Meeks

Orlando gets a young wing that can shoots lights out that has potential and locked up and a flier in Vonelh and a potential lottery pick. Crabbe could immediately start next to Gordon.

I wouldn't call Crabbe "lights out". He's too inconsistent right now. For the record, though, I am not against this trade, and like the idea of Crabbe pushing Fournier to the bench.

43% from 3pt land isn't "lights out"?

[DusterBuster]

I don't know about that. Crabbe and Vonleh just scream career bench warmers. To get that after giving away Dipo/11th pick would be a disaster for this team.

I much rather have this trade and a potential lottery pick than anything the other teams can offer TBH. Late 1st rd. picks and marginal players like Ross don't excite me much.

Crabbe is surely expensive, but could potentially break out on a team that desperately needs shooting and a play maker. I could def. see Harrison Barnes numbers with better efficiency.

If we don't want Crabbe, we could probably just gift Crabbe to Brooklyn, they need all the help they can get, no one is signing with them unless they seriously overpay a mediocre player might as well take a chance on a young player like Crabbe.

Also, the main asset is the pick, the trade doesn't have to involve Crabbe, Aminu and Davis have friendly contracts, Ezeli is unguaranteed next year. In other words it's not about the players we get back, it's about their pick which will be in the teens. No other team that wants him can offer that except Bos but they will never give up their BKN pick for Ibaka. So Portland is the only team that makes somewhat reasonable sense.

Crabbe can't be traded to Brooklyn until next year since they signed him to the deal that Portland matched.

[DusterBuster]

If we want a young player and pick I really think a trade with Portland makes too much sense.

Allen Crabbe
Noah Vonelh
'17 1st (Top 5 protected) currently slotted @ #12

for

Ibaka
Meeks

Orlando gets a young wing that can shoots lights out that has potential and locked up and a flier in Vonelh and a potential lottery pick. Crabbe could immediately start next to Gordon.

I don't know about that. Crabbe and Vonleh just scream career bench warmers. To get that after giving away Dipo/11th pick would be a disaster for this team.

Ignoring Crabbe's contract, he's certainly not a "career bench warmer". He'd easily be starting on any team lacking a SG or SF. No question he'd be starting in Portland if CJ weren't here and a main reason many Blazer fans are open to some ideas of trading CJ is because of Crabbe's ability to easily slide into the starting spot.

[Baka_La Flame]

Yea Crabbe is solid and improving but again that's a generous offer. We would probably have to move Hezonja along with Ibaka for them to even consider giving up that pick. If we do pull it off I would be stoked. Imagine adding Ball/Fultz/Monk+ Bridges/Rabb

[djhunkyherbs]

If we want a young player and pick I really think a trade with Portland makes too much sense.

Allen Crabbe
Noah Vonelh
'17 1st (Top 5 protected) currently slotted @ #12

for

Ibaka
Meeks

Orlando gets a young wing that can shoots lights out that has potential and locked up and a flier in Vonelh and a potential lottery pick. Crabbe could immediately start next to Gordon.

If the Blazers are offering this, I'd do it. Crabbe would instantly become the best shooter on this team, and the Magic would have 2 lottery picks in a supposedly very good draft class. For the rest of the season we could have Vonleh back up Gordon at the 4 to see if he's worth keeping around. Crabbe definitely hurts the cap, but you could do a lot worse than a core of Payton, Gordon, Crabbe, Biyombo, Vucevic, Fournier, 2 lottery picks and maybe Vonleh (all aged 26 or younger) going forward.

[Jameerthefear]

Throw in their 17 pick and I really dont see us getting a better offer. If POR would do that deal, I would pull it. Get some young wings, vonleh is still in his rookie scale and can play behind AG, and a 1st round in this draft. Dont see it getting any better.

Oh and we get rid of Jeff Green

I'd take this and run tbh. Not a bad deal.

[magicfan4life88]

@MagicalNba: The Magic have asked San Antonio about Murray in an Ibaka deal.

[rcklsscognition]

Crabbe has almost 4500 career minutes under his belt. Other than bumping his usage rate up a bit, he's very likely got little room to grow. His trajectory puts him at best as a 14ppg with 20% usage and more minutes. That does not take into account how he reacts when he doesn't have 2 stars getting him open looks.

He is not a good defender. That is a huge overpay for him.

[OrlandoDream]

Crabbe has almost 4500 career minutes under his belt. Other than bumping his usage rate up a bit, he's very likely got little room to grow. His trajectory puts him at best as a 14ppg with 20% usage and more minutes. That does not take into account how he reacts when he doesn't have 2 stars getting him open looks.

He is not a good defender. That is a huge overpay for him.

He is a better defender than Fournier and lights out shooter. His usage rate is low because POR only uses him as a spot up shooter. He can put it on the floor and is not a bad shot creator. He is a solid NBA wing that can be a starter if needed and those are harder to find these days then big men. If we find something better in the future, he can be traded. His contract is not as bad people think. Unlike some of the other awful contract plumblee, mozgof, noah, turner, crabbe can actually produce and is a good player. He would be a good fit here.

Yea Crabbe is solid and improving but again that's a generous offer. We would probably have to move Hezonja along with Ibaka for them to even consider giving up that pick. If we do pull it off I would be stoked. Imagine adding Ball/Fultz/Monk+ Bridges/Rabb

At this rate, Bridges is gonna be a lottery pick. Would be a steal if he fell to the 20s.

[pepe1991]

Somebody said Crabbe can "put it on the floor" ? What? His foot? 15% of his all FG attemps come from zero to 3 feet. Literally he does nothing else but shoot 3s. He is really good shooter but so damn onedimensional. He has same problems as Evan. Too skinny , no much muscles, bad rebounder, average passer, below average defender. And soo damn overpayed.

And again, who da hell will create open looks for him here? Who else can, like LIllard and McCullum do, put defense on heels and kick out for open Crabbe? Nobody. So his defender will just stay with him and chase him out of 3 point line, and when you chase him from 3 point line he is usless. Harkless, who was garbage here, is better player for them than Crabbe is. And now you want him on his crazy $18,5M 4 years deal. Why??