Draft Thread 6.0: Magic picking 6th, 35th, 41st

[MagicFan101]

I just thought which players would top teams picked if they had a lottery pick. What you all think? I would go with:
Gsw- they need bigger, skilled center or versatile 3&D player Carter/JJJ or either Bridges.

Cleveland- they definitly lack versatile defender/shooter next to lebron Either Bridges

Houston- i am quite certain it would be Carter or JJJ. Capela showed why center position changed, he was unplayable at times.

Boston: they dont have any glaring weakness. Bamba gives their team more strategic options, JJJ or Carter could try to replace Horford after he retires.

Cleveland: Well, they DO have a lottery pick. Young, Sexton, Mikhal Bridges and MPjr are good options for them.

Houston: WTF are you talking about? They are likely to max out Capela this summer. He is a critical piece to their success. With Capela and CP needing new deals, free agent SF Trever Ariza is likely the odd man out. A cheap, defensive SF who can hit shots is going to be a target. Mikhal Bridges would be their guy.

Boston: They openly want a defensive anchor big man. Bamba or JJ. No discussion required.

Cleveland- with lebron they need more shooting and versatile defenders who can switch, i doubt they pick Young or Sexton

Houston- Capela a critical piece who had problems to stay on the floor in the playoffs? Unless he starts shooting 3 i dont think so.

Boston- mostly agree but them asking Baynes to shoot threes points out more to Carter.

Cleveland wants help at PG that isn’t a secret Young and Sexton are high targets for them. If they fear Lebron leaves, a versatile forward is also in the mix.

You may not be a fan of Capela but Houston management disagrees. He and Harden have a connection that works for them.

Like the others, it isn’t a secret that Boston is going to be aggressive in finding a defensive big man through the draft, free agency or trades.


Nothing I’m sharing is my opinion. This is widely know information. I for one am not a Capela fan at a max contract. But I’m here in Texas and can assure you that unless Lebron says he’s coming, they are going to pay Capela.

[The Effect]

I just thought which players would top teams picked if they had a lottery pick. What you all think? I would go with:
Gsw- they need bigger, skilled center or versatile 3&D player Carter/JJJ or either Bridges.

Cleveland- they definitly lack versatile defender/shooter next to lebron Either Bridges

Houston- i am quite certain it would be Carter or JJJ. Capela showed why center position changed, he was unplayable at times.

Boston: they dont have any glaring weakness. Bamba gives their team more strategic options, JJJ or Carter could try to replace Horford after he retires.

Cleveland: Well, they DO have a lottery pick. Young, Sexton, Mikhal Bridges and MPjr are good options for them.

Houston: WTF are you talking about? They are likely to max out Capela this summer. He is a critical piece to their success. With Capela and CP needing new deals, free agent SF Trever Ariza is likely the odd man out. A cheap, defensive SF who can hit shots is going to be a target. Mikhal Bridges would be their guy.

Boston: They openly want a defensive anchor big man. Bamba or JJ. No discussion required.

Cleveland- with lebron they need more shooting and versatile defenders who can switch, i doubt they pick Young or Sexton

Houston- Capela a critical piece who had problems to stay on the floor in the playoffs? Unless he starts shooting 3 i dont think so.

Boston- mostly agree but them asking Baynes to shoot threes points out more to Carter.

Lebron is close with Young, so if hes available, id be shocked if they dont take him, especially with their need a PG and how badly they need more shooters

[zaymon]

Pretty sure Celtics are targeting JJJ. No way ainges would divulge his true target. He is to clever for that.

But yes I would do #6 for brown.

More so I would prefer to trade up for JJJ. JJJ would be a game changer for us.

There is a time when teams must stop giving Boston high draft picks. They cant pay all of these players after their rookie deals. Its better to wait few years and than sign them for free. Trading 6th pick for Brown is very short sighted in my opinion. Other thing is there are many red flags he wont be half as good without Stevens offensive system + Horford + Tatum.

How is that short sighted??
Hes probably better than anyone we can get at 6, and is still only 21 years old. Sorry if you think boston getting good in return for a young star player is a bad thing but thats how trades works.

If we want to win championship we must defeat boston. They cant keep their core forever but they can replace weaker players for high draft picks on cheap deals. If they find no trade partners they will lose these players for free. Brown is good but i worries he is the biggest beneficiator of Horford and Tatum offensive brilliance

[zaymon]

Cleveland: Well, they DO have a lottery pick. Young, Sexton, Mikhal Bridges and MPjr are good options for them.

Houston: WTF are you talking about? They are likely to max out Capela this summer. He is a critical piece to their success. With Capela and CP needing new deals, free agent SF Trever Ariza is likely the odd man out. A cheap, defensive SF who can hit shots is going to be a target. Mikhal Bridges would be their guy.

Boston: They openly want a defensive anchor big man. Bamba or JJ. No discussion required.

Cleveland- with lebron they need more shooting and versatile defenders who can switch, i doubt they pick Young or Sexton

Houston- Capela a critical piece who had problems to stay on the floor in the playoffs? Unless he starts shooting 3 i dont think so.

Boston- mostly agree but them asking Baynes to shoot threes points out more to Carter.

Cleveland wants help at PG that isn’t a secret Young and Sexton are high targets for them. If they fear Lebron leaves, a versatile forward is also in the mix.

You may not be a fan of Capela but Houston management disagrees. He and Harden have a connection that works for them.

Like the others, it isn’t a secret that Boston is going to be aggressive in finding a defensive big man through the draft, free agency or trades.


Nothing I’m sharing is my opinion. This is widely know information. I for one am not a Capela fan at a max contract. But I’m here in Texas and can assure you that unless Lebron says he’s coming, they are going to pay Capela.

Well propably you are right, but i just cant see them maximg Capela from pure basketball reasons. I didnt know about Harden connection. Same with Young

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[darthmerrick]

If the Hawks pick Young over Doncic at 3 then we need to trade up to 4 and nab Doncic. If Young falls then he's our pick at 6. I want to come out of this draft with Doncic or Young.

[Melvinlocker]

Orlando Magic Offseason Needs

OBSERVATIONS
1. The Orlando Magic ranked 30th in DRB% per Basketball Reference (18th in defensive rating).

2. One of the hallmarks of a Steve Clifford team is that they are elite on the defensive glass.

3. Jonathon Simmons (2029 min), Evan Fournier (1837 min), D.J. Augustin (1760 min) and Arron Afflalo (682 min) accounted for 32% of our teams minutes played this season. Each of the above players averaged 3.3 drebs/36 or less this season.

COMMENTARY
I’m not a genius, but I think at least one of these guys is out the door. You can’t build a defensive identity when a third of your minutes played are played by this supporting cast. What makes this so difficult is that these are some of our best offensive players who bring a lot to the table for us in that regard.

I think Afflalo is pretty much done with us. Simmons is a likely candidate to get traded because of his production and contract. Fournier is the most talented of the bunch, and he could net the biggest talent in return (that contract makes it more difficult though). I have a feeling we will ride out Augustin’s contract since he is likely untradeable.

How does this fit into our draft? I’m not sure I see any wings in our range who could help us fix this problem. Mikal Bridges might be interesting, but I don’t think he will move the needle for us very much. I think our best option is to trade the pick for someone young like Jaylen Brown and to move Fournier for an underperforming wing with a shorter contract (i.e. Bazemore or Carroll) who can rebound and defend well. Here is a potential trade:

ORL Gets: Jaylen Brown, DeMarre Carroll, #27 (BOS), #29 (BKN)
BOS Gets: #6 (ORL), Jonathon Simmons
BKN Gets: Evan Fournier, #41 (ORL)


This trade would make our DRB% skyrocket without losing a ton of scoring. You can keep a young core of Gordon (22), Brown (21) and Isaac (20) while surrounding them with vets who fit the defensive culture and can play as a team. Every major contract is 2 years or less (not including Gordon). At that point, I’d try to draft some real tough guards at 27 and 29 who will buy into the culture (Khyri Thomas and Jerome Robinson). Our biggest issue would be playmaking from the perimeter. Augustin and Mack are serviceable, but they don’t really move the needle very much. The hope is that one of our picks could help alleviate some of those concerns in the long run.

STARTERS
PG- D.J. Augustin (2 yr/contract)
SG- Jaylen Brown (2 yr/rookie scale)
SF- DeMarre Carroll (2 yr contract)
PF- Aaron Gordon (4 yr/Re-Sign)
C- Nikola Vucevic (1 yr/contract)

BENCH
6. Jonathan Isaac (3 yr/rookie scale)
7. Terrence Ross (1 yr/contract)
8. Bismack Biyombo (2 yr/contract)
9. Shelvin Mack (1 yr/contract)
10. Khyri Thomas (4 yr/rookie scale)
11. Jerome Robinson (4 yr/rookie scale)
12. Khem Birch (1 yr/contract)
13. Wesley Iwundu (1-2 yr/rookie scale)
14. #35 Pick.

SUMMARY
1. Our books are cleaned up significantly. Only Gordon has a large long-term contract.
2. DRB% skyrockets without losing a ton of scoring thanks to Jaylen Brown.
3. We have 6 players under 23 years old (2 major contributors in Gordon and Brown).
4. Our point guard position remains weak unless one of the rookies steps up to fill in the gap in more of a combo guard role.

[drsd]

ORL Gets: Jaylen Brown, DeMarre Carroll, #27 (BOS), #29 (BKN)
BOS Gets: #6 (ORL), Jonathon Simmons
BKN Gets: Evan Fournier, #41 (ORL)

Orlando trades #6, Fournier, Simmons, and #41 for Brown, Carroll, #27, and #29; that is a fantastic trade for Orlando. Brown looks to be a bona fide 20ppg SG in the league and is thus a sure thing. All #6 prospects are not a sure thing.

At that point, I’d try to draft some real tough guards at 27 and 29 who will buy into the culture (Khyri Thomas and Jerome Robinson). Our biggest issue would be playmaking from the perimeter.

If either Mitchell Robinson or Omari Spellman slide to #27, that's gotta be the pick (I'll tab Spellman). Based on your play-maker idea, Elie Okobo at #29 makes a huge amount of sense. And then Moritz Wagner at #35. Three rookies is a lot.

Still the 2018/19 roster:
Augustin/Okobo/Mack
Brown/Ross/Iwundu
Isaac/Carroll
Gordon/Birch/Spellman
Vučević/Biyombo/Wagner

This is a potential playoff team next year and is really exciting moving to 2019/20.


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[zaymon]

ORL Gets: Jaylen Brown, DeMarre Carroll, #27 (BOS), #29 (BKN)
BOS Gets: #6 (ORL), Jonathon Simmons
BKN Gets: Evan Fournier, #41 (ORL)

Orlando trades #6, Fournier, Simmons, and #41 for Brown, Carroll, #27, and #29; that is a fantastic trade for Orlando. Brown looks to be a bona fide 20ppg SG in the league and is thus a sure thing. All #6 prospects are not a sure thing.

At that point, I’d try to draft some real tough guards at 27 and 29 who will buy into the culture (Khyri Thomas and Jerome Robinson). Our biggest issue would be playmaking from the perimeter.

If either Mitchell Robinson or Omari Spellman slide to #27, that's gotta be the pick (I'll tab Spellman). Based on your play-maker idea, Elie Okobo at #29 makes a huge amount of sense. And then Moritz Wagner at #35. Three rookies is a lot.

Still the 2018/19 roster:
Augustin/Okobo/Mack
Brown/Ross/Iwundu
Isaac/Carroll
Gordon/Birch/Spellman
Vučević/Biyombo/Wagner

This is a potential playoff team next year and is really exciting moving to 2019/20.


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I think there is not enough fire power there. I would rather risk and draft Michael Porter.
But my current favourite is trading Vucevic for 17 and Dellavedova. Draft Carter or Bamba( i prefer Carter), with 17 Khyri Thomas or Elie Okobo which you both write but they will be propably long gone in the late twenties.
Dj/Thomas/Fournier/Gordon/Carter(Bamba)
In the second round i would love Jerome Robinson, Jarred Vanderbilt, Jevon Carter if we dont plan to sign free agent pg.

[IllMagic04]

If the Hawks pick Young over Doncic at 3 then we need to trade up to 4 and nab Doncic. If Young falls then he's our pick at 6. I want to come out of this draft with Doncic or Young.

This is where Im at. I still dont believe the Kings will pass on Doncic. Even if they do we dont have the assets to move up to 4. Hopefully the Hawks just pass on Young.

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[DiplomaticMagic]

I will root for him if we draft him, but I'm pretty sure that drafting Young will be our biggest mistake in this long rebuild.

[Knightro]

ORL Gets: Jaylen Brown, DeMarre Carroll, #27 (BOS), #29 (BKN)
BOS Gets: #6 (ORL), Jonathon Simmons
BKN Gets: Evan Fournier, #41 (ORL)

I'm not as big on Jaylen Brown as other people might be, but this is a trade I'd have to do.

Getting out from underneath Fournier's contract two years early for what amounts to an expiring contract (who can still play!) and a 1st round pick is something I'd do even without the Boston part.

Fournier and 41 for Carroll and 29 is something I'd definitely do on it's own.

[Melvinlocker]

ORL Gets: Jaylen Brown, DeMarre Carroll, #27 (BOS), #29 (BKN)
BOS Gets: #6 (ORL), Jonathon Simmons
BKN Gets: Evan Fournier, #41 (ORL)

Orlando trades #6, Fournier, Simmons, and #41 for Brown, Carroll, #27, and #29; that is a fantastic trade for Orlando. Brown looks to be a bona fide 20ppg SG in the league and is thus a sure thing. All #6 prospects are not a sure thing.

At that point, I’d try to draft some real tough guards at 27 and 29 who will buy into the culture (Khyri Thomas and Jerome Robinson). Our biggest issue would be playmaking from the perimeter.

If either Mitchell Robinson or Omari Spellman slide to #27, that's gotta be the pick (I'll tab Spellman). Based on your play-maker idea, Elie Okobo at #29 makes a huge amount of sense. And then Moritz Wagner at #35. Three rookies is a lot.

Still the 2018/19 roster:
Augustin/Okobo/Mack
Brown/Ross/Iwundu
Isaac/Carroll
Gordon/Birch/Spellman
Vučević/Biyombo/Wagner

This is a potential playoff team next year and is really exciting moving to 2019/20.


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Honestly, I haven't done enough research on those late round picks to have a super solid opinion one way or the other. I certainly wouldn't be mad if we drafted them.

[Melvinlocker]

ORL Gets: Jaylen Brown, DeMarre Carroll, #27 (BOS), #29 (BKN)
BOS Gets: #6 (ORL), Jonathon Simmons
BKN Gets: Evan Fournier, #41 (ORL)

Orlando trades #6, Fournier, Simmons, and #41 for Brown, Carroll, #27, and #29; that is a fantastic trade for Orlando. Brown looks to be a bona fide 20ppg SG in the league and is thus a sure thing. All #6 prospects are not a sure thing.

At that point, I’d try to draft some real tough guards at 27 and 29 who will buy into the culture (Khyri Thomas and Jerome Robinson). Our biggest issue would be playmaking from the perimeter.

If either Mitchell Robinson or Omari Spellman slide to #27, that's gotta be the pick (I'll tab Spellman). Based on your play-maker idea, Elie Okobo at #29 makes a huge amount of sense. And then Moritz Wagner at #35. Three rookies is a lot.

Still the 2018/19 roster:
Augustin/Okobo/Mack
Brown/Ross/Iwundu
Isaac/Carroll
Gordon/Birch/Spellman
Vučević/Biyombo/Wagner

This is a potential playoff team next year and is really exciting moving to 2019/20.


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I think there is not enough fire power there. I would rather risk and draft Michael Porter.
But my current favourite is trading Vucevic for 17 and Dellavedova. Draft Carter or Bamba( i prefer Carter), with 17 Khyri Thomas or Elie Okobo which you both write but they will be propably long gone in the late twenties.
Dj/Thomas/Fournier/Gordon/Carter(Bamba)
In the second round i would love Jerome Robinson, Jarred Vanderbilt, Jevon Carter if we dont plan to sign free agent pg.

If WeHam thinks Porter Jr. is a solid bet, then I'll trust their judgement. There is certainly a lot to like there if he can reach his ceiling. I'm just not sold on him yet, though I certainly respect your position.

[Melvinlocker]

ORL Gets: Jaylen Brown, DeMarre Carroll, #27 (BOS), #29 (BKN)
BOS Gets: #6 (ORL), Jonathon Simmons
BKN Gets: Evan Fournier, #41 (ORL)

I'm not as big on Jaylen Brown as other people might be, but this is a trade I'd have to do.

Getting out from underneath Fournier's contract two years early for what amounts to an expiring contract (who can still play!) and a 1st round pick is something I'd do even without the Boston part.

Fournier and 41 for Carroll and 29 is something I'd definitely do on it's own.

The Fournier for Carroll trade is my favorite too. Our cap situation (not to mention our defense) would be greatly improved.

[IllMagic04]

ORL Gets: Jaylen Brown, DeMarre Carroll, #27 (BOS), #29 (BKN)
BOS Gets: #6 (ORL), Jonathon Simmons
BKN Gets: Evan Fournier, #41 (ORL)

I'm not as big on Jaylen Brown as other people might be, but this is a trade I'd have to do.

Getting out from underneath Fournier's contract two years early for what amounts to an expiring contract (who can still play!) and a 1st round pick is something I'd do even without the Boston part.

Fournier and 41 for Carroll and 29 is something I'd definitely do on it's own.

No way in hell I do this trade. Im not sold that Jaylen Brown isnt just a system player. To trade our pick that we tanked so hard for is a terrible decision unless we are getting a more sure thing. Even on Boston its not like he is the number 1 option. I want no part of giftwrapping a high pick to Boston. Getting rid of Fournier isnt a huge priority to me. If we find a trade fine but I see no reason to go out of our way to trade him. No way to that trade.

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[T-Cat]

ORL Gets: Jaylen Brown, DeMarre Carroll, #27 (BOS), #29 (BKN)
BOS Gets: #6 (ORL), Jonathon Simmons
BKN Gets: Evan Fournier, #41 (ORL)

I'm not as big on Jaylen Brown as other people might be, but this is a trade I'd have to do.

Getting out from underneath Fournier's contract two years early for what amounts to an expiring contract (who can still play!) and a 1st round pick is something I'd do even without the Boston part.

Fournier and 41 for Carroll and 29 is something I'd definitely do on it's own.

No way in hell I do this trade. Im not sold that Jaylen Brown isnt just a system player. To trade our pick that we tanked so hard for is a terrible decision unless we are getting a more sure thing. Even on Boston its not like he is the number 1 option. I want no part of giftwrapping a high pick to Boston. Getting rid of Fournier isnt a huge priority to me. If we find a trade fine but I see no reason to go out of our way to trade him. No way to that trade.

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Word on the streets suggests Orlando maybe high on Mo Bamba! They're going to have a private workout with Trae Young soon!

We should do this trade with Memphis to move up and select Mo Bamba! Not to mention this trade allows our young players to get more minutes:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8rkbkqj

Orlando also trades #6 pick and OKC pick to Grizzlies for #4 pick!

[fklt]

there is no draft doncic is not going first btw. all other assumptions are funny to me.

[MagicFan101]

there is no draft doncic is not going first btw. all other assumptions are funny to me.

... other than the actual draft in two weeks where Ayton goes first.

[PrimeThyme]

Ill take my chances with whoever we pick at 6. Not even Jaylen Brown (2 years into his rookie deal) will change my mind about that.