Most overrated superstar in NBA history

[pepe1991]

so starting 5

Francis
Iverson
T mac
Melo
Ewing

[rusoopE]

who ever labeled francis as a superstar?

i could also say this guy

on a worldwide opinion

and this one

on a real gm basis opinion





who im kidding those 2 are the goats

[rusoopE]

love diener's **** pose he's performing

[darthmerrick]

I'm going to say Lebron. Everyone tries hard to have the GOAT argument, clearly not. I say he is top 10 all time...not yet top 5 all time players.

[Dubious Kitty]

John Stockton? Lebron?

Some of these answers really make me question a lot of your guys’ sanity.

Good grief there’s a lot of terrible answers here.

[pepe1991]

John Stockton? Lebron?

Some of these answers really make me question a lot of your guys’ sanity.

Good grief there’s a lot of terrible answers here.

Overrated doesn't mean bad.

Lebron is all time great, but GOAT talks are product of inflated stats , crazy usage rate and rules that made bigs usless to contain players like him at rim.

Lebron at 28 ,when he was at his apsolute peak, going for his back to back championship, averaged less ppg, rpg and apg than last year , that's all you need to know how much league changed and how stats are now inflated.

[fa2011]

Wilt Chamberlain

20,000 ...

[j-ragg]

Magic Johnson. Couldn’t really shoot and not a great defender. Great player but nowhere near the goat imo.

[drsd]

Any player with an NBA championship ring needs to be excluded from this list. The goal is to win games. I would argue any player that made it to the NBA Finals should also be excluded.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Wilt Chamberlain

20,000 ...

Lol

[MagicFan101]

I’m not sure which thread is best for this topic but this seems as good as any.

Did anyone catch the Dwight Howard reference in John Oliver last night? I got a pretty good laugh out of that. Definitely worth a YouTube visit if you missed it.

[J the Drafter]

Kobe has certainly been the beneficiary of some really bad calls throughout the Lakers’ championship runs. You could probably make the case that he only wins one championship without the help of the refs: the Lakers beat Portland in game 7 thanks to some bad calls (allegedly, I’ve never watched that game), the Lakers beat the Kings in a series that gave birth to conspiracy theories, the Lakers had help in 2009 (the Kobe elbow in game 4, and arguably some calls in game 2—I remember Kobe getting free throws on a Howard block from behind, and Kobe stepping on the three-point line for the Lakers’ last score in regulation and getting three points) and at least some Celtics fans think the officiating favored the Lakers in game 7 of 2010.

[pepe1991]

Kobe has certainly been the beneficiary of some really bad calls throughout the Lakers’ championship runs. You could probably make the case that he only wins one championship without the help of the refs: the Lakers beat Portland in game 7 thanks to some bad calls (allegedly, I’ve never watched that game), the Lakers beat the Kings in a series that gave birth to conspiracy theories, the Lakers had help in 2009 (the Kobe elbow in game 4, and arguably some calls in game 2—I remember Kobe getting free throws on a Howard block from behind, and Kobe stepping on the three-point line for the Lakers’ last score in regulation and getting three points) and at least some Celtics fans think the officiating favored the Lakers in game 7 of 2010.

Everything Wade did in 2006 was product of refs. If he never won that ring (pretty much all seasons before and after that , with him as only superstar were medicore at best ) he would make all time overrated list here for sure.
That's how nba works, their " main " star is always golden child that refs push as much as they can.

[MagicFan101]

Kobe has certainly been the beneficiary of some really bad calls throughout the Lakers’ championship runs. You could probably make the case that he only wins one championship without the help of the refs: the Lakers beat Portland in game 7 thanks to some bad calls (allegedly, I’ve never watched that game), the Lakers beat the Kings in a series that gave birth to conspiracy theories, the Lakers had help in 2009 (the Kobe elbow in game 4, and arguably some calls in game 2—I remember Kobe getting free throws on a Howard block from behind, and Kobe stepping on the three-point line for the Lakers’ last score in regulation and getting three points) and at least some Celtics fans think the officiating favored the Lakers in game 7 of 2010.

Everything Wade did in 2006 was product of refs. If he never won that ring (pretty much all seasons before and after that , with him as only superstar were medicore at best ) he would make all time overrated list here for sure.
That's how nba works, their " main " star is always golden child that refs push as much as they can.

Get out of here.

Prime DWade was special on both ends of the floor. Did he get star treatment from refs? Absolutely. Just like all other stars. Therefore the argument is either pointless or means the NBA has never had a true star in its existence.

They don’t make many full court stars these days. If for nothing else, that makes Wade a legit star worthy of all his praise.

[Xatticus]

I’m not sure which thread is best for this topic but this seems as good as any.

Did anyone catch the Dwight Howard reference in John Oliver last night? I got a pretty good laugh out of that. Definitely worth a YouTube visit if you missed it.

Watch on YouTube

Edit: WARNING!!! If John Oliver triggers you, do not watch past the first 25 seconds.

[UCFJayBird]

I'm going to say Lebron. Everyone tries hard to have the GOAT argument, clearly not. I say he is top 10 all time...not yet top 5 all time players.

[pepe1991]

Kobe has certainly been the beneficiary of some really bad calls throughout the Lakers’ championship runs. You could probably make the case that he only wins one championship without the help of the refs: the Lakers beat Portland in game 7 thanks to some bad calls (allegedly, I’ve never watched that game), the Lakers beat the Kings in a series that gave birth to conspiracy theories, the Lakers had help in 2009 (the Kobe elbow in game 4, and arguably some calls in game 2—I remember Kobe getting free throws on a Howard block from behind, and Kobe stepping on the three-point line for the Lakers’ last score in regulation and getting three points) and at least some Celtics fans think the officiating favored the Lakers in game 7 of 2010.

Everything Wade did in 2006 was product of refs. If he never won that ring (pretty much all seasons before and after that , with him as only superstar were medicore at best ) he would make all time overrated list here for sure.
That's how nba works, their " main " star is always golden child that refs push as much as they can.

Get out of here.

Prime DWade was special on both ends of the floor. Did he get star treatment from refs? Absolutely. Just like all other stars. Therefore the argument is either pointless or means the NBA has never had a true star in its existence.

They don’t make many full court stars these days. If for nothing else, that makes Wade a legit star worthy of all his praise.

Wade had 97 free throws in 6 games, that's almost 17 per game.
Whole Dallas team had 155 FTs, Dirk with 55, shot 44 FTA less than Wade .

That stat inflation was absurd. Matter of fact, after Dallas went up 2-0 he averaged 18,3 FTA a game, whole Magic team is bearly averaging what? 20 per game?

Nobody in history ever had that type of bull$it refs help like him. Ever.
And people b*** about Harden now, that dude got twice as much calls in nba finals.

[PrimeThyme]

I'll never understand how anyone can argue that Lebron is overrated.. or worse argue that he isn't even a top 5 player of all time. If you're a stat person then every single stat especially advanced stats show how great he is && if you're someone that just watches the games then it's so obvious the type of impact he makes as well. He is without a doubt a top 2 player of all time imo. Literally, put him in any era on any team and he would still be this great. His all-time great playmaking ability would give him the ability to do that. He would be a more athletic and better shooting version of Magic if he played in that era and dominate the same way he has in this one.

He is just a transcendent talent. The "he's only great because he played in that era" argument doesn't work when it comes to Lebron for me. He is as physically gifted and fundamentally sound as they come.

[Max Power]

Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT:
100 point game
20,000 ( I also get this reference)
Conan The Destroyer
Mic Drop....

Most Overrated: Carmelo
Most Underrated: David Robinson.


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[pepe1991]

I'll never understand how anyone can argue that Lebron is overrated.. or worse argue that he isn't even a top 5 player of all time. If you're a stat person then every single stat especially advanced stats show how great he is && if you're someone that just watches the games then it's so obvious the type of impact he makes as well. He is without a doubt a top 2 player of all time imo. Literally, put him in any era on any team and he would still be this great. His all-time great playmaking ability would give him the ability to do that. He would be a more athletic and better shooting version of Magic if he played in that era and dominate the same way he has in this one.

He is just a transcendent talent. The "he's only great because he played in that era" argument doesn't work when it comes to Lebron for me. He is as physically gifted and fundamentally sound as they come.

Overrated in sense he is always pushed as GOAT.
In general not a single Lebron fan can explain why "clearly one of best ever" is such a loser in finals where he lost 5 of 8 finals. Where you have guys like Jabbar, Magic, Bird, Jordan who,when they were in his prime, pretty much unstoppable.

His fans tend to overvalue other teams that he lost to, to cover fact he was clear favorite in 2011 and 2014 to win.
Nursing home Spurs in 2014 led by 37 Duncan and some role player ( who didn't make it to allstar game for 2 years after that MVP ) Leonard, hurt Parker and already way passed his prime Ginobili vs Lebron, Wade and Bosh, only Wade being in 30s. Lost by widest margin in nba history for finals.

Even in 2007 he could at least won one game. Same with 2018.

In 2011 complete choke job defended by Lashawn Stephenson who was bounced from nba year later and never returned since.



And amout of excuses he gets is just epic. I remember like it was today, during WHOLE 2014 EVERY SINGLE DAY on every single station, fox sports, bleacher, sb nation, espn all "experts" were talking about is how hard it is to 3peat, like it's hardest thing ever just building excuses if he fails.
Do you know what you will never hear from media today- how hard it is to 3peat. Why ? Because Lebron isn't there.
In general most of same, agenda filled media every day talk in negative manner about Warriors just because they blocked their moneymachine in his ring chase.

His career , from 2011 -2018 was defined by him being only shark in fish tank where his teams were always that much more talented and stacked on East than any other team that led him to nba finals every year, going against media hyped and media created obstacles like Roy Hibbert and "bad Pacers team" ( reality B level star and bunch of bodies ), Orginal Big 3 ( reality- 2 guys almost in 40s and Ray Allen who joined them year later ), 2015 Bulls ( reality -broken Rose, Pau missing games and Butler on hiw own on team with no offense ), "4 allstars Hawks" ( reality- Korver and Teague were 2 of 4 allstars) , freaking Nets were "real treat" in 2014,according to media.

I view him as top 5 talent of all time , but overrated in sense he is viewed as top 2 when he clearly up to this point didn't have anywhere near as much sucess as Jabbar and Jordan. All he has as argument is bunch of empty stats that don't translate to rings most of the time, despite being clear ring chaser for last 7 years.