Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory

[penny_nz]

Man AG drives me mad, in the sense that JUST as I'm about to come to terms with the idea of him moving on, he's pulls out performances like that. Honestly he needs touches and ton's of them over the next 10 game stretch to see if he can even close to replicate that performance consistently. To me that was his best performance to date.

[Gomagic44]

Purgatory is a good title. Yoyo and the optimists, God bless you.

I don’t question why I come here, because I enjoy reading all of your opinions.
I question where we are heading. I’ve watched the whole league shuffle in 9 years. The front fell off with certain teams and they rebuilt and are back. Others finally decided to tank and quickly bounced back. We put on training wheels. I am not excited at all about our team. I enjoy basketball so I will watch the playoffs and I’m an orlando native I will never have another team, but it’s depressing being a magic fan.


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[OrlMagic05]

WelHam are just collecting the paper while the run with Hennigans squad.. Major changes need to be made.

Almost all of our wins come from beating teams with under 500 record. I believe the number is 20 or 21 wins, that leaves us with 4 wins against teams with a winning record.

This should be enough evidence to show the DeVos Family that changes need to be made! I am tired of the "young guys need playoff experience" what does it matter if all we do is run plays for Fournier and Vuc and get swept and blown out every game?

[yoyojw17]

Purgatory is a good title. Yoyo and the optimists, God bless you.

I don’t question why I come here, because I enjoy reading all of your opinions.
I question where we are heading. I’ve watched the whole league shuffle in 9 years. The front fell off with certain teams and they rebuilt and are back. Others finally decided to tank and quickly bounced back. We put on training wheels. I am not excited at all about our team. I enjoy basketball so I will watch the playoffs and I’m an orlando native I will never have another team, but it’s depressing being a magic fan.


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I'll take all the blessings possible!

[shadrock]

So could JI possibly come back this season?

[Bensational]

Man AG drives me mad, in the sense that JUST as I'm about to come to terms with the idea of him moving on, he's pulls out performances like that. Honestly he needs touches and ton's of them over the next 10 game stretch to see if he can even close to replicate that performance consistently. To me that was his best performance to date.

AG has been having a huge February. Over the 9 games we've played his numbers are up to an impressive level. But when you look at the splits, his numbers in our 4 wins are crazy good. Unsustainable, but it's nice to see that in almost half his games this month he has been putting up huge numbers.

And the swing in his numbers from L's to W's has been huge, too. In our 5 L's he averages 16ppg on poor efficiency. In our 4 wins he's averaging 23.5ppg on really good efficiency (insane 3pt efficiency at 60%, lol), along with 10rbs, 5.5apg, 1.6tov and 1.7spg.

AG has been our X Factor in W's this month. Hopefully he can build on this momentum leading up to the playoffs.

[Skin]

Everyone should be cheering on AG. Even the haters. At the very least, he boosts his trade value this summer. Go AG, go!

[basketballRob]

So could JI possibly come back this season?

I think he will. He looked pretty healthy last night and I'm sure they want to give him more playoff experience.

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[SOUL]

Also helps his usage is going up. His shots per game is his lowest since his 3rd year and from last month to this month went up about 3 FGA a game.

[Gomagic44]

Purgatory is a good title. Yoyo and the optimists, God bless you.

I don’t question why I come here, because I enjoy reading all of your opinions.
I question where we are heading. I’ve watched the whole league shuffle in 9 years. The front fell off with certain teams and they rebuilt and are back. Others finally decided to tank and quickly bounced back. We put on training wheels. I am not excited at all about our team. I enjoy basketball so I will watch the playoffs and I’m an orlando native I will never have another team, but it’s depressing being a magic fan.


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I'll take all the blessings possible!

Bless you. Your rare nowadays but someday your opinion will mean more to me and I will see you as ahead of the curve. I don’t mean to discredit you.
I just feel we are hopeless. I don’t even know enough about the team at this point to criticize you. I just lost interest.


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[VFX]

Just listened to Stan Van Gundy on open mike and he sees our offense as painful as we do. He was a little bit sarcastic about our preference of long guys. Last comment was that we need more shooting around Vucevic and Fournier to win. Who would have thought. I hope we will proceed with eliminating non shooters of our roster.

That’s cool and everything, but there isn’t a chance in hell this FO moves on from Fultz or JI. Those are the only moves they’ve actually made that matter in the slightest.

Which is why AG is the obvious choice to move despite the occasional good game. They aren’t building a fast paced run and gun team, so he doesn’t fit and we have JI.

We’ve seen what Fournier and Vuc do themselves. There’s a reason people are annoyed that WeHam haven’t found offense to either help or move on from them.

[pepe1991]

2016-17 after ibaka trade Gordon averaged 16 ppg on 50% FG

2017-18 he started hot, 18 ppg, 47% FG, 35% for 3, 18 ppg. Than rest of a year was garbage.

2018-19: Pre allstar game 41% for 3, 56% TS, post allstar : 27% for 3, 50% TS.

Season didn't start 18 games ago but almost 60 games ago. His hot ( and cold) streaks shouldn't get anybody hyped or dissapointed. He is what he is. Against bad defense or team that trades buckets, he'll like Evan ,Vuc, Ross have huge nights, against teams that are simply more talented, he'll play bad games ( shooting 26% FG against Bucks for example in 3 games ).

Much like any NBA starter, he is more than capable during 82 games have few legit great games ,but does it really mean anything? Coby White, rookie, just had 35 points game tonight, J. Grant from Nuggets just scored 29 and Marqueese Chris just had 21 points, 10 rebounds, 3 assist gams. All future superstars and breaking out tonght, next year allstars or just players having good nights given green light to shoot and enought PT to fill rest of a box score? In league that is jumpshot league and where looking great and looking bad is swing between 2 of 8 threes xy player takes that night. In league where we are reaching point where 50% of shots are outside ones...

At the end of a day he is same player today, late in February, he was through whole January where he averaged 13 ppg on 45% FG, 27% for 3 and 57% FTs.

Going into final stage of this season and looking to next one, Aminu, Isaac, Okeke, Gordon all play same position. PF. On roster without single modern SF ( or if you don't belive in positions- ballhandling wing who can shoot ). It's not hard to see it's too many too many cookies in jar.

[drsd]

So could JI possibly come back this season?

Two stories today on this topic.

NBA.com: Jonathan Isaac Participates in Light Shooting Drills

Key quote: Jonathan Isaac, "The knee feels good."

OMD: Jonathan Isaac is back with the Orlando Magic on the road

Read on Twitter

[drsd]

Some stats.

Orlando is 29th in the league in ppg: 104.2 is a full 15.6 ppg less than the league leader.
Orlando is 29th in the league in FG%: 43.4%
Orlando is 28th in the league in three-point FG% : 33.5%
Orlando is 29th in fouls given per game: teams only mould the Magic 18.9 pg

Orlando is 5th in the league in bpg: 5.8
Orlando is 2nd in the league in to's per game: only 11.9 !
Orlando is league best at personal fouls per game: only 17.5 (a full 1 foul better than the 2nd team and 5.8 fouls better than the worst team).
Orland gives up the fewest opponent ppg: 105.8
Orlando is 3rd/4th in steals allowed per game: only allows 6.8 spg

Rebounding, FT shooting, assist numbers, etc. are all hovering in the league averages.

So: Orlando has elite features to its game. The team simply needs to hit more shot attempts to be more than mediocre.


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[Skybox]

Going into final stage of this season and looking to next one, Aminu, Isaac, Okeke, Gordon all play same position. PF. On roster without single modern SF ( or if you don't belive in positions- ballhandling wing who can shoot ). It's not hard to see it's too many too many cookies in jar.

Just thinking....if TRoss or Fournier were on other teams - wouldn't they be the guys we need to get? Evan creates his own shot and shoots from 3 and isn't small. TRoss can defend, get hot from 3, etc. Why don't we play them together more (especially in Isaac's vaccum)...I don't really care to hear about the bench if our starting 5 is woefully unbalanced.

[pepe1991]

Going into final stage of this season and looking to next one, Aminu, Isaac, Okeke, Gordon all play same position. PF. On roster without single modern SF ( or if you don't belive in positions- ballhandling wing who can shoot ). It's not hard to see it's too many too many cookies in jar.

Just thinking....if TRoss or Fournier were on other teams - wouldn't they be the guys we need to get? Evan creates his own shot and shoots from 3 and isn't small. TRoss can defend, get hot from 3, etc. Why don't we play them together more (especially in Isaac's vaccum)...I don't really care to hear about the bench if our starting 5 is woefully unbalanced.

I have no clue, it was our 4th quater lineup last year ( Dj- Evan - Ross- Gordon- Vuc) and one that made playoffs. T Ross lead league in 4th quater min because of it.

[The Real Dalic]

Going into final stage of this season and looking to next one, Aminu, Isaac, Okeke, Gordon all play same position. PF. On roster without single modern SF ( or if you don't belive in positions- ballhandling wing who can shoot ). It's not hard to see it's too many too many cookies in jar.

Just thinking....if TRoss or Fournier were on other teams - wouldn't they be the guys we need to get? Evan creates his own shot and shoots from 3 and isn't small. TRoss can defend, get hot from 3, etc. Why don't we play them together more (especially in Isaac's vaccum)...I don't really care to hear about the bench if our starting 5 is woefully unbalanced.

I've said a couple of times that, unless we get a star or clear upgrade for AG, I'd rather keep him and play him off the bench with Ross and DJ (if he re-signs) as the backup PF and trade for/sign a pure shooter at the 3. I think that balances us a lot more and we keep AG.

[Skybox]

Going into final stage of this season and looking to next one, Aminu, Isaac, Okeke, Gordon all play same position. PF. On roster without single modern SF ( or if you don't belive in positions- ballhandling wing who can shoot ). It's not hard to see it's too many too many cookies in jar.

Just thinking....if TRoss or Fournier were on other teams - wouldn't they be the guys we need to get? Evan creates his own shot and shoots from 3 and isn't small. TRoss can defend, get hot from 3, etc. Why don't we play them together more (especially in Isaac's vaccum)...I don't really care to hear about the bench if our starting 5 is woefully unbalanced.

I've said a couple of times that, unless we get a star or clear upgrade for AG, I'd rather keep him and play him off the bench with Ross and DJ (if he re-signs) as the backup PF and trade for/sign a pure shooter at the 3. I think that balances us a lot more and we keep AG.

Your reasoning is sound but I don't think there's any way AG goes to the bench.

[zaymon]

Just thinking....if TRoss or Fournier were on other teams - wouldn't they be the guys we need to get? Evan creates his own shot and shoots from 3 and isn't small. TRoss can defend, get hot from 3, etc. Why don't we play them together more (especially in Isaac's vaccum)...I don't really care to hear about the bench if our starting 5 is woefully unbalanced.

I've said a couple of times that, unless we get a star or clear upgrade for AG, I'd rather keep him and play him off the bench with Ross and DJ (if he re-signs) as the backup PF and trade for/sign a pure shooter at the 3. I think that balances us a lot more and we keep AG.

Your reasoning is sound but I don't think there's any way AG goes to the bench.

I also think it would be bad for our chemistry. Gordon is very invested in himself, and his confidence seems fragile. There are much cheaper players (like aminu) who can defend and brick shots from the bench. Yesterday i once again watched Isaac defensive highlights, he is barely a human. Given his selfless attitude i expect a team friendly new contract. If i choose between Isaac and Gordon i choose JI 10/10.

[yoyojw17]

Purgatory is a good title. Yoyo and the optimists, God bless you.

I don’t question why I come here, because I enjoy reading all of your opinions.
I question where we are heading. I’ve watched the whole league shuffle in 9 years. The front fell off with certain teams and they rebuilt and are back. Others finally decided to tank and quickly bounced back. We put on training wheels. I am not excited at all about our team. I enjoy basketball so I will watch the playoffs and I’m an orlando native I will never have another team, but it’s depressing being a magic fan.


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I'll take all the blessings possible!

Bless you. Your rare nowadays but someday your opinion will mean more to me and I will see you as ahead of the curve. I don’t mean to discredit you.
I just feel we are hopeless. I don’t even know enough about the team at this point to criticize you. I just lost interest.


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Appreciate it! Let's hope and we can celebrate together in the end. haha