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Re: Shams: The season is suspended. 

Post#41 » by EAS Law » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:29 am

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This overused comment need to stop. You can not compare COVID 19 to TB, Measles or any other well studied disease or virus ... yet. Until we have a betting handle on what this is, the long term effects of it and how to begin dealing with it then it must to elevated to a higher risk.

Lol overused? You mean because it’s a relevant fact that doesn’t support your position?

Elevate to a higher risk by crashing global economies and over consuming medical products so that those that actually need them cannot get them? Because it’s slightly more deadly than a common flu? Because most cases of deaths have common patient characteristics?
Slightly? It's 10 to 34 times more lethal than the flu.

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30 deaths in every 1000 cases equates to 3% in a much smaller sample size than the common flu.
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Post#42 » by thelead » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:29 am

Bensational wrote:It should be noted that these are preventative reactions to the impending spread of it. It's going to do what it does, we can't stop it, and we likely won't delay it long enough until a vaccine is developed.

But, it's what's happening, so we can only hope it does curb spread somewhat.

This is all being done to not overwhelm hospitals all at once like what we see in Italy. The purpose is to make sure the really sick get the attention they need.
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Post#43 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:30 am

The problem is that we don't have enough ventilators. The hospitals will be overrun and I've heard some of the nurses won't even work during this because they don't feel safe.

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Post#44 » by PrimeThyme » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:31 am

The Basketball gods graced us with 3 games of no buddy ball, and now Fournier will have time to get healthy and sign an extension this summer. Our fate has been decided.

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In all seriousness though, this sucks. Big time. Hope everyone stays safe and I feel for the people who have been affected, but especially the ones who may not be as fortunate health-wise to fight it.
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Re: Shams: The season is suspended. 

Post#45 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:31 am

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EAS Law wrote:Lol overused? You mean because it’s a relevant fact that doesn’t support your position?

Elevate to a higher risk by crashing global economies and over consuming medical products so that those that actually need them cannot get them? Because it’s slightly more deadly than a common flu? Because most cases of deaths have common patient characteristics?
Slightly? It's 10 to 34 times more lethal than the flu.

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30 deaths in every 1000 cases equates to 3% in a much smaller sample size than the common flu.
The flu is .1 meaning it's death rate is one tenth of one percent.

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Post#46 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:34 am

Holy Crap! I wonder how Rudy Gobert got the virus? From Fans, going out to dinner, at a club?

I read an article yesterday that in China, an infected person got on a bus twice in one day and sat in the back. The 2nd time he got on bus a person 4.5 meters away in the front of bus caught virus from him.

If we all get told to stay home and country closes down, how do we pay our bills?!?!?!
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Post#47 » by MagicFan101 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:35 am

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EAS Law wrote:Lol overused? You mean because it’s a relevant fact that doesn’t support your position?

Elevate to a higher risk by crashing global economies and over consuming medical products so that those that actually need them cannot get them? Because it’s slightly more deadly than a common flu? Because most cases of deaths have common patient characteristics?
Slightly? It's 10 to 34 times more lethal than the flu.

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30 deaths in every 1000 cases equates to 3% in a much smaller sample size than the common flu.


Wow. The point hit you in the face and you still missed it.

3% of the population is massive! You’re comparing this to things we understand and have methods for controlling. Until we can do that with this we must treat it differently. It’s that simple.
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Post#48 » by rcklsscognition » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:35 am

Damn both teams are in quarantine in the arena?
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Post#49 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:36 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:Holy Crap! I wonder how Rudy Gobert got the virus? From Fans, going out to dinner, at a club?

I read an article yesterday that in China, an infected person got on a bus twice in one day and sat in the back. The 2nd time he got on bus a person 4.5 meters away in the front of bus caught virus from him.

If we all get told to stay home and country closes down, how do we pay our bills?!?!?!
Another player on the Jazz was sick too. They just canceled Pelicans Kings game.

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Post#50 » by OrlandoNed » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:36 am

Still waiting on evidence that this is any more dangerous than the regular flu and simply a more contagious strain. I appreciate the league taking the precautions it deems necessary, but I can’t help but feel that this is a wild overreaction. I’m not going to indulge the panic mongers, I still will continue on like usual following basic hygienic practices like any other normal day.
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Post#51 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:39 am

OrlandoNed wrote:Still waiting on evidence that this is any more dangerous than the regular flu and simply a more contagious strain. I appreciate the league taking the precautions it deems necessary, but I can’t help but feel that this is a wild overreaction. I’m not going to indulge the panic mongers, I still will continue on like usual following basic hygienic practices like any other normal day.
Well just calculate the number of deaths to the number of people that were positive.

The r-naught is 2.28 for coronavirus, the flu is 1.16, so it's nearly twice as contagious

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Post#52 » by EAS Law » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:40 am

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Yep, hate it when those over-reactive epidemiologists and wild-eyed infectious disease physicians start issuing urgent warnings just because a few thousand people start dying and the WHO declares a global pandemic. What nervous nellies. If you contract coronavirus, just walk it off, and you'll be fine.

Urgent warnings to whom and with respect to what? All a pandemic means is that a disease is prevalent within a country or the world. It does not make anything more deadly.

The “thousands” people keep talking about dying are in comparison to the 7.7 billion people on the planet.

Normal influenza kills 200,000 to 650,000 people every year—even young people sometimes. Where is the panic?

Please. I’m not speaking on ignorance. I’ve consulted with doctors on this who all have told me the same. Turn off the news and consider your sources.


Here's one source, and it ain't CNN. https://www.dynamed.com/condition/covid-19-novel-coronavirus

The editor of this article is a Harvard professor and Infectious Disease specialist. It's written by physicians for physicians treating patients at the point of care.

And the reason why thousands of deaths is concerning compared to say the flu or measles or car accidents or whatever else that might have a high mortality rate is that this hasn't been contained, and there isn't a vaccine for it yet, so you either fight it off with your natural immune system and antimicrobial medications (something many people can manage) or you can't and there isn't much they can do for you.

It's not a matter of panic, but just a matter of taking the threat seriously and trying to mitigate the damage.

That was good information.

I was surprised to see that the highest number of cases were in those aged 30-65. That does affect a lot of people that I wouldn’t have suspected. I suppose that also incorporates those that are most commonly in contact with others and those are cases of not deaths caused by.

Because it’s so new, I do see the reason to take precautions and be aware of it generally. I think Bensational summarized it best in his post here.

I’m still not seeing anything that I think is especially alarming, and I think that the statistics are being viewed in a light most favorable to panic because that’s what the media would like to do to keep you glued to their 24/7 coverage, but that was a good source with good info.
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Post#53 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:40 am

OrlandoNed wrote:Still waiting on evidence that this is any more dangerous than the regular flu and simply a more contagious strain. I appreciate the league taking the precautions it deems necessary, but I can’t help but feel that this is a wild overreaction. I’m not going to indulge the panic mongers, I still will continue on like usual following basic hygienic practices.


This is way more contagious being it lasts much longer on hard surfaces and can spread up to 4 meters in the air in enclosed spaces. Unless you completely isolate yourself from society while wearing gloves and masks when shopping then disinfect the products you purchase, people can speculate on it until they actually get it.
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Post#54 » by EAS Law » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:43 am

MagicFan101 wrote:
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basketballRob wrote:Slightly? It's 10 to 34 times more lethal than the flu.

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30 deaths in every 1000 cases equates to 3% in a much smaller sample size than the common flu.


Wow. The point hit you in the face and you still missed it.

3% of the population is massive! You’re comparing this to things we understand and have methods for controlling. Until we can do that with this we must treat it differently. It’s that simple.

Lmao so there will be 7.7 billion cases of COVID 19 by the end of the year? You’re assuming the 3% remains constant and also that every person on the planet will contract the disease. Pretty bold.
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Post#55 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:44 am

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MagicFan101 wrote:
EAS Law wrote:30 deaths in every 1000 cases equates to 3% in a much smaller sample size than the common flu.


Wow. The point hit you in the face and you still missed it.

3% of the population is massive! You’re comparing this to things we understand and have methods for controlling. Until we can do that with this we must treat it differently. It’s that simple.

Lmao so there will be 7.7 billion cases of COVID 19 by the end of the year? You’re assuming the 3% remains constant and also that every person on the planet will contract the disease. Pretty bold.
No i think they'll get it down to around 1% which is 10× more lethal than the flu.

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Post#56 » by CZ Eddie » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:45 am

Sooo.... the Warriors don't have to worry about accidentally winning a bunch of games now and losing that primo draft spot.
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Post#57 » by PigsEatHam » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:47 am

EAS Law wrote:
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EAS Law wrote:Urgent warnings to whom and with respect to what? All a pandemic means is that a disease is prevalent within a country or the world. It does not make anything more deadly.

The “thousands” people keep talking about dying are in comparison to the 7.7 billion people on the planet.

Normal influenza kills 200,000 to 650,000 people every year—even young people sometimes. Where is the panic?

Please. I’m not speaking on ignorance. I’ve consulted with doctors on this who all have told me the same. Turn off the news and consider your sources.


Here's one source, and it ain't CNN. https://www.dynamed.com/condition/covid-19-novel-coronavirus

The editor of this article is a Harvard professor and Infectious Disease specialist. It's written by physicians for physicians treating patients at the point of care.

And the reason why thousands of deaths is concerning compared to say the flu or measles or car accidents or whatever else that might have a high mortality rate is that this hasn't been contained, and there isn't a vaccine for it yet, so you either fight it off with your natural immune system and antimicrobial medications (something many people can manage) or you can't and there isn't much they can do for you.

It's not a matter of panic, but just a matter of taking the threat seriously and trying to mitigate the damage.

That was good information.

I was surprised to see that the highest number of cases were in those aged 30-65. That does affect a lot of people that I wouldn’t have suspected. I suppose that also incorporates those that are most commonly in contact with others and those are cases of not deaths caused by.

Because it’s so new, I do see the reason to take precautions and be aware of it generally. I think Bensational summarized it best in his post here.

I’m still not seeing anything that I think is especially alarming, and I think that the statistics are being viewed in a light most favorable to panic because that’s what the media would like to do to keep you glued to their 24/7 coverage, but that was a good source with good info.


I can agree with you insofar as the native language of 24-hour news is crisis. They speak nothing else, it is all they are fluent in, and most of the time it is completely overblown.
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Post#58 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:50 am

I'll bet that dozens of players will end up with it since Gobert had it and some of the coaches.

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Post#59 » by Max Power » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:51 am

This is certainly a scary situation, and for many reasons. The great unknown is the virus itself and figuring out what it takes to normalize the situation. I had tix to Sunday’s game but in retrospect I’m glad it’s cancelled.

For a unique perspective on this, I’ve been to several doctors this week. I go through 6 specialists every four months due to having a kidney transplant. I have to really pay attention because I’m on immune suppression meds. Not a single doc I visited this week told me to go into quarantine. They told me to be prudent washing my hands and to consider wearing a mask to the game.

The media and big wigs on tv are making it seem like we’re one day away from I Am Legend. As a result I’m considering a one month self quarantine simply because information is so inconsistent. My hope is we all take appropriate precaution and stay safe. Hopefully in 30 days we’ll have the Magic back.
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Post#60 » by Def Swami » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:51 am

Sad that we're not going to have anymore basketball for some time, but this was the right call. The NBA had no other choice once players tested positive. And realistically, it was bound to happen, even if they kept fans away from arenas.

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