2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk

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Duncan and Hollinger podcast has a pretty interesting tidbit about the Magic and their cap situation in their most recent podcast at the 1:13:00 mark.

Some tidbits of the segment:

- They say Orlando is in a average cap and team situation and it could be a wise choice to trade Gordon, get rid of Fournier or let him opt in one year and shoot for the moon in 2021 and be a cap space free agent player when Isaac is back.

- They are stuck in the middle and “getting crushed” in the first round is their ceiling or they could restart new roster and team trajectory with moves this offseason. Hard choice for a mid market team.

-Vuc is there best player but his contract is huge and he’s also most valuable to Orlando’s current success.

Getting crushed in the first round is the goal of Orlando’s FO. They love it and they’d do anything to keep it happening. This means they’ll continue to overpay guys for no reason but to waste time.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Duncan and Hollinger podcast has a pretty interesting tidbit about the Magic and their cap situation in their most recent podcast at the 1:13:00 mark.

Some tidbits of the segment:

- They say Orlando is in a average cap and team situation and it could be a wise choice to trade Gordon, get rid of Fournier or let him opt in one year and shoot for the moon in 2021 and be a cap space free agent player when Isaac is back.

- They are stuck in the middle and “getting crushed” in the first round is their ceiling or they could restart new roster and team trajectory with moves this offseason. Hard choice for a mid market team.

-Vuc is there best player but his contract is huge and he’s also most valuable to Orlando’s current success.

Getting crushed in the first round is the goal of Orlando’s FO. They love it and they’d do anything to keep it happening. This means they’ll continue to overpay guys for no reason but to waste time.

I doubt this is happening...

[zaymon]

Duncan and Hollinger podcast has a pretty interesting tidbit about the Magic and their cap situation in their most recent podcast at the 1:13:00 mark.

Some tidbits of the segment:

- They say Orlando is in a average cap and team situation and it could be a wise choice to trade Gordon, get rid of Fournier or let him opt in one year and shoot for the moon in 2021 and be a cap space free agent player when Isaac is back.

- They are stuck in the middle and “getting crushed” in the first round is their ceiling or they could restart new roster and team trajectory with moves this offseason. Hard choice for a mid market team.

-Vuc is there best player but his contract is huge and he’s also most valuable to Orlando’s current success.

Getting crushed in the first round is the goal of Orlando’s FO. They love it and they’d do anything to keep it happening. This means they’ll continue to overpay guys for no reason but to waste time.

I doubt this is happening...

I cant see how drafting rawest prospects and trading for injured players is considered aiming for first round exit. We even didnt overpay our veterans which is remarkable.

[UnFadeable21]

Duncan and Hollinger podcast has a pretty interesting tidbit about the Magic and their cap situation in their most recent podcast at the 1:13:00 mark.

Some tidbits of the segment:

- They say Orlando is in a average cap and team situation and it could be a wise choice to trade Gordon, get rid of Fournier or let him opt in one year and shoot for the moon in 2021 and be a cap space free agent player when Isaac is back.

- They are stuck in the middle and “getting crushed” in the first round is their ceiling or they could restart new roster and team trajectory with moves this offseason. Hard choice for a mid market team.

-Vuc is there best player but his contract is huge and he’s also most valuable to Orlando’s current success.

Getting crushed in the first round is the goal of Orlando’s FO. They love it and they’d do anything to keep it happening. This means they’ll continue to overpay guys for no reason but to waste time.

It’s a good listen and any magic fan should definitely hear it and form their own opinion from a former NBA GM on Orlando’s future and current dilemma. The “Getting Crushed” was a direct quote from the podcast.

[drsd]

Also, this draft is terrible. I’d be surprised if 2 guys from this draft become all star caliber.

I agree with the latter point. But to the draft itself being terrible, I think that most picks from 6-18 have a chance to be a fringe NBA starter. That means this is a deep draft in mid-range talent.

Orlando at #15 is a good spot. Going up to #2 is a boom or bust move: it will make Orlando elite or cripple the team.

Frankly I still like the idea of trading up a tiny-touch to draft either Devin Vassell or Aaron Nesmith. Either of those players to me could (eventually) fill in Fournier's role with this team.

[JBSouthpaw]

One thing about going after a "win now" player,
Miami, BOS, TOR, NETS, MIL, will all be just as good or better next year.
We really should be looking to peak in 2 years, after these groups of players have split.
we don't have the assets to acquire anyone to bounce those 5 teams.

Sell AG for .50 on the dollar for draft picks, play the young guys, finish with a top 5 pick, get J.I. back.

Goal is for 2022.

[JBSouthpaw]

AG & 2nd rd for Derrick White, Rudy Gay and #11.

Money matches, upgrade PG position and add shooting.
Expiring contacts.

Spend the BPA w/ #11, draft and stash w/15

White is an upgrade in our PG rotation
Chief and Gay can give what AG has
Okeke is going to play SF

Gay & Evan come off the books after the season.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y444xoy3

I’m good with this trade as opposed to settling for DSJr.

Derrick White is exactly the kind of player Orlando should be targeting: 21-26 yr old prospect in a crowded rotation that can play above expectations.

This would be a good way to retool for this season and clear cap for next season.

I think something like this isn't flashy, but is exactly what Orlando needs.

[EasternMagic]

Simmons and Lowe proposed this trade on the Lowe Post:

GSW sends
Wiggins
Looney
Pascal
#2 Pick

ORL sends
Fournier
Gordon
#15 pick

Then they went on to say that the Magic need to just trade the core (Evan, AG, and Vuc) and get it over with.

[VFX]

Simmons and Lowe proposed this trade on the Lowe Post:

GSW sends
Wiggins
Looney
Pascal
#2 Pick

ORL sends
Fournier
Gordon
#15 pick

Then they went on to say that the Magic need to just trade the core (Evan, AG, and Vuc) and get it over with.

They’d be right. Like the trade. Don’t care if it makes us worse in the short term.

[pepe1991]

Let's say Magic do Evan, Gordon ,15 pick for Wiggins, Looney, pascal and 2#

Is future team of:

Fultz ( PG with no jumpshot)
Hayes ( PG without athletics nor elite jumpshot)

NO starting gaurd whatsoever
Ross

Rookie SF/ no backup SF

Aminu/ no backup PF

Vuc /Bamba


be any better short or long term? Your future is still betting on development of Fultz, Bamba,recovery of Isaac and whatever you can squeeze from pick. And if everything during tanking goes right, 2021 pick. Or you can just as easly with 5th worst record draft 8th ( Knicks this year). So once again taking leftovers from 2021 draft, as it happend to Magic too many times to count. Strategy isn't strategy if main goal is based on nothing but repetative luck.

Hayes being very average point gaurd in C level competition in Europe pretty much paints perfect picture of him as prospect. He is in top 5 because nobody else showed anything. Just like Lamelo Ball played in Australia, where some of best players went to D level teams in Serbia and Croatia and couldn't pass trial trainings. ( Dante Exum dribbling chairs to be lottery pick based on youtube video where he is beating some girl off dribble )
People don't understand how poor this level of competition ,where those kids plays really is.

Second round pick just sounds good, until you start going through names of 2020 draft and figure outside of maybe Avdija, you are looking at future bench players.
Only reason why you can even get 2020 draft picks is because everybody knows how bad they are.
Why nobody was trading 2016 or 2018 draft picks? Oh because that drafts had Doncic, Ingram, Simmons, Young, Ayton... This draft flat out doesn't have anything. There is McGee type center, lite Oladipo/closer to Dion Waiters, low value Galinari, big ego low BBIQ Shoun Livingston...

[pepe1991]

If i'm reaching for anything, i would take Karim Mane with second round pick.
6'5 point guard, 7 foot wingspan, strong, athletic.

[Bensational]

Make it Fournier + Bamba + #15 for Wiggins + #2 and I'd be more inclined.

Problem is, I just don't want the #2 pick. Not unless the Rockets decide they want it for Harden...

[JBSouthpaw]

Make it Fournier + Bamba + #15 for Wiggins + #2 and I'd be more inclined.

Problem is, I just don't want the #2 pick. Not unless the Rockets decide they want it for Harden...

I think that deal is light going to GSW.

I agree w your second point, No one excites me at 2.

I kind of like the 4-6 spot. Avdija, Okoro, Haliburton, Toppin all players I think this team could use.

[pepe1991]

Make it Fournier + Bamba + #15 for Wiggins + #2 and I'd be more inclined.

Problem is, I just don't want the #2 pick. Not unless the Rockets decide they want it for Harden...

Wtf will contender do with Bamba? Use him as G league backup?

[Tarheel]

If Houston does decide to trade Harden, do you think they would bite on AG + Evan (opted in) + Mo + #15?

Honestly, I'd chuck in our 2020 FRP if needed too.

Pairing Vuc with Harden vaults us into the top of the East conversation, IMO.

[tiderulz]

If Houston does decide to trade Harden, do you think they would bite on AG + Evan (opted in) + Mo + #15?

Honestly, I'd chuck in our 2020 FRP if needed too.

Pairing Vuc with Harden vaults us into the top of the East conversation, IMO.

wtf? what has Harden won? no, vuc/Harden doesnt move us into the top of the East (at least in my opinion. i agree someone's opinion is their opinion, but i dont agree with this one). not without a lot more help.

[Tarheel]

wtf? what has Harden won?

One more MVP trophy than AG, Evan and Mo?

I don't think you'd need as much more help as you think. Fultz, JI, Ross, Chuma, Aminu, Ennis would all still be on the roster. We'd need to add a shooter or two probably but I don't think you'd need much more.

[Blue_and_Whte]

wtf? what has Harden won?

One more MVP trophy than AG, Evan and Mo?

I don't think you'd need as much more help as you think. Fultz, JI, Ross, Chuma, Aminu, Ennis would all still be on the roster. We'd need to add a shooter or two probably but I don't think you'd need much more.

Honestly I kinda hate Harden's game.

[Def Swami]

Simmons and Lowe proposed this trade on the Lowe Post:

GSW sends
Wiggins
Looney
Pascal
#2 Pick

ORL sends
Fournier
Gordon
#15 pick

Then they went on to say that the Magic need to just trade the core (Evan, AG, and Vuc) and get it over with.

It was a cathartic listen for any Magic fan. They sounded how we sound. They threw out a bunch of different iterations of trades with GSW for the #2 pick, one that also included Nikola Vucevic that I wouldn't be opposed to. Simmons even supported #2 for Gordon straight up.

I'd prefer not to give up the #15 in any deal, especially one that has us taking back the Wiggins deal. That comes down to how much you believe in the player you pick at #2. I actually like the value at #15 more than I do at #2. I also really hate taking back the Wiggins deal. It's a net negative asset. But, if you really believe in a guy at #2, then go for it.

From the sentiment of the Magic just need to hit the reset button, I get it and would understand why the Magic would do a deal like this.

[j-ragg]

I could listen to a Lowe pod dedicated to hypothetical trades every day haha. There were some interesting ideas.

I know sometimes they tend to hype up certain drafts/off seasons for viewers but people seem to genuinely think there’ll be a lot of movement this offseason. I guess I figured the opposite due to uncertain revenue constraints but I hope he’s right. NBA offseason has been more entertaining than the regular season the past couple years.