Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Magic Expected To Retain Core

[Husky1]

Agree all around...ready to make a trade but NOT for a band-aid to help us maintain our .450 record and fall into the play-in. Mudiay would be my choice as he's the most Fultz-like (penetrate/defend/no range/good size). Developmentally, I want to see the other guys learn to score off of a guy like that (for the long-term). If Thomas comes in and scores 25 with 2 assists and ZERO defense, then what?

Agree. If it's anyone its Mudiay/DSJ or Frank. A recclamation project who has the potential to turn the corner and add something down the line. No point getting a vet like Lin, IT etc.

[thelead]

Why in flat earth should we spend assets to aquire veteran help ?!? I am against trading most of our veterans, but using assets to control the injury damage is just insane. You use assets to move into contender window not to make the play in tournament. Some of you guys move from one extreme to the other. Unless Vucevic plays like MVP and demands some help i wouldnt do a damn thing. Only moves i would consider are 1. Trade AG 2. Trade Fournier if he doesnt want to resign

Napier, Thomas, Mudiay, Lin require 0 asset sells. All are upgrades over Cole and Bone.

But why do that? Are you not wanting a top prospect like Suggs?

[zaymon]

Why in flat earth should we spend assets to aquire veteran help ?!? I am against trading most of our veterans, but using assets to control the injury damage is just insane. You use assets to move into contender window not to make the play in tournament. Some of you guys move from one extreme to the other. Unless Vucevic plays like MVP and demands some help i wouldnt do a damn thing. Only moves i would consider are 1. Trade AG 2. Trade Fournier if he doesnt want to resign

Napier, Thomas, Mudiay, Lin require 0 asset sells. All are upgrades over Cole and Bone.

But why do that? Are you not wanting a top prospect like Suggs?

It will be tricky to pull off. Its different when you start former nr 1 pick in Fultz before Anthony and different when you demote him becouse of out of nba talent. Whats the upside of signing someone like Mudiay ? Remember we also have MCW and we commited to Bone and Mane. It could be too many mouths to feed and in the end it doesnt change our ceiling like Fultz could ( although i am getting lower on Fultz as a long time starter).

[Skybox]

Napier, Thomas, Mudiay, Lin require 0 asset sells. All are upgrades over Cole and Bone.

But why do that? Are you not wanting a top prospect like Suggs?

It will be tricky to pull off. Its different when you start former nr 1 pick in Fultz before Anthony and different when you demote him becouse of out of nba talent. Whats the upside of signing someone like Mudiay ? Remember we also have MCW and we commited to Bone and Mane. It could be too many mouths to feed and in the end it doesnt change our ceiling like Fultz could ( although i am getting lower on Fultz as a long time starter).

I wouldn't demote Anthony...just give him some help and some time off ball. Bone is not an NBA player. If we could "rehab" a DSJ(I had forgotten about him) or Mudiay to the point that we could move him out for something else or as part of a pkg. it's a win...Additionally, I'm not worried that they would upgrade us to the point that we lose out on a lottery pick...if they're THAT impactful, that's a good problem to have.

[zaymon]

But why do that? Are you not wanting a top prospect like Suggs?

It will be tricky to pull off. Its different when you start former nr 1 pick in Fultz before Anthony and different when you demote him becouse of out of nba talent. Whats the upside of signing someone like Mudiay ? Remember we also have MCW and we commited to Bone and Mane. It could be too many mouths to feed and in the end it doesnt change our ceiling like Fultz could ( although i am getting lower on Fultz as a long time starter).

I wouldn't demote Anthony...just give him some help and some time off ball. Bone is not an NBA player. If we could "rehab" a DSJ(I had forgotten about him) or Mudiay to the point that we could move him out for something else or as part of a pkg. it's a win...Additionally, I'm not worried that they would upgrade us to the point that we lose out on a lottery pick...if they're THAT impactful, that's a good problem to have.

I like Bone, he could be a solid, cheap backup. I think we will have enough bodies when MCW is back. Chemistry could be tricky with another signing and just as you pointed out it doesnt change much imo. Let us lose with guys we have already we only need to keep Vucevic happy and he clearly understands that you cant fight with injuries. Next year we will have Isaac back and hopefully we will use some assets for upgrades.

[Skybox]

It will be tricky to pull off. Its different when you start former nr 1 pick in Fultz before Anthony and different when you demote him becouse of out of nba talent. Whats the upside of signing someone like Mudiay ? Remember we also have MCW and we commited to Bone and Mane. It could be too many mouths to feed and in the end it doesnt change our ceiling like Fultz could ( although i am getting lower on Fultz as a long time starter).

I wouldn't demote Anthony...just give him some help and some time off ball. Bone is not an NBA player. If we could "rehab" a DSJ(I had forgotten about him) or Mudiay to the point that we could move him out for something else or as part of a pkg. it's a win...Additionally, I'm not worried that they would upgrade us to the point that we lose out on a lottery pick...if they're THAT impactful, that's a good problem to have.

I like Bone, he could be a solid, cheap backup. I think we will have enough bodies when MCW is back. Chemistry could be tricky with another signing and just as you pointed out it doesnt change much imo. Let us lose with guys we have already we only need to keep Vucevic happy and he clearly understands that you cant fight with injuries. Next year we will have Isaac back and hopefully we will use some assets for upgrades.

I'm good with that. I'd strongly advocate giving Vuc a lot of rest this season so we can see what's up with Bamba, or build him (Bamba) up for the trade deadline. No reason to drive Vuc into the ground in a season like this appears to be.

[OrlChamps2030]

People seriously think this organization is tanking?

This sorry ass FO is just did the same thing they do every year.. roll out the same sorry ass group of Hennigan’s guys, hope to stay healthy, sneak into the 8th seed, and draft another long boi at 15. Only this time the team didn’t stay healthy.

I hope we do get a top pick and WeltHam retire afterwards. Let a young innovative mind who actually wants to be great take over.

[RookieStar]

Seriously, injuries decimated us but did we make ANY kind of move to remedy it?

Have we made ANY kind of move....? I dunno if that's the likeliest indicator lol because these lazy jerk offs don't do anything whether the roster is healthy or broken in half.

Good point. LOL

[RookieStar]

I forgot we still have Bamba to develop...but yeah personally I like to have Frank see if we can reclaim him like what we did Fultz.

[RookieStar]

I forgot about this image:

In every GT, can we have that image?

[The Effect]

Obviously it's a total waste for both us and him to keep Vuc, so of you guys were being realistic, what do you guys think Vucs trade value is?

[MagicFan101]

Obviously it's a total waste for both us and him to keep Vuc, so of you guys were being realistic, what do you guys think Vucs trade value is?

What contender has a hole at C?

Celtics? Can we get Langford or Nesmith + FRP?

... who else?

[Bensational]

Obviously it's a total waste for both us and him to keep Vuc, so of you guys were being realistic, what do you guys think Vucs trade value is?

I think his value is team contextual. A contender needing a good C to complete their roster who has assets to spare, like Boston, are probs ideal. He's a finishing piece, not a rebuild foundation piece.

In a deal with Boston I could see 1 of Kemba, Smart, 1 of Pritchard, Neismith, Langford, Williams, Ojelele and 1 pick possibly being offered up.

[MagicFan101]

Obviously it's a total waste for both us and him to keep Vuc, so of you guys were being realistic, what do you guys think Vucs trade value is?

I think his value is team contextual. A contender needing a good C to complete their roster who has assets to spare, like Boston, are probs ideal. He's a finishing piece, not a rebuild foundation piece.

In a deal with Boston I could see 1 of Kemba, Smart, 1 of Pritchard, Neismith, Langford, Williams, Ojelele and 1 pick possibly being offered up.

I don’t want Kemba or Smart. They would make us better. I want to tank.

Could we get Langford AND Nesmith + a 2021 FRP if we take back Tristan Thompson?

Then we need to dump some roster spots or ship out Evan for cash / 2nd rounders.

[The Effect]

I wouldn't say boston ks the only one

Nets could use a center, deandre Jordon is now their only guy
He'd ben upgrade for the bucks, brook lopez
He'd look good in Dallas next to porz and luka
Portland now that nurkic is out with that broken wrist?

All those teams are contenders and could use him?

[KillMonger]

Obviously it's a total waste for both us and him to keep Vuc, so of you guys were being realistic, what do you guys think Vucs trade value is?

if he keeps playing like this? valuable, he would be seen as a piece that would put a team over the top...let's see where we are at the deadline....it's a shame, a waste of some of his prime years not competing for a title......

[Xatticus]

I wouldn't say boston ks the only one

Nets could use a center, deandre Jordon is now their only guy
He'd ben upgrade for the bucks, brook lopez
He'd look good in Dallas next to porz and luka
Portland now that nurkic is out with that broken wrist?

All those teams are contenders and could use him?

I haven't really looked around, but the market is going to be really thin. I think you are looking at teams that are desperate to win now that have a lot of money tied up in assets that aren't doing anything for them at present.

The Nets can't cobble together any sort of offer.
He isn't an upgrade over Lopez. Lopez is better at what Milwaukee wants out of their center than is Vucevic. He spaces the floor and defends.
The same is true of Porzingis in Dallas. The only issue they have with Porzingis is one of health, but I can't imagine they'd prefer to have Vucevic.
Nurkic will be back and he won't coexist with Vucevic. Perhaps they could piece together an offer including Nurkic, but they are already a terrible defensive team and they don't have much in the way of long-term assets that are all that appealing.

I don't really even like what Boston has to offer at this point. You'd probably have to take back Kemba. That's not really a good thing. Good luck getting any value out of them.

[MagicFan101]

I wouldn't say boston ks the only one

Nets could use a center, deandre Jordon is now their only guy
He'd ben upgrade for the bucks, brook lopez
He'd look good in Dallas next to porz and luka
Portland now that nurkic is out with that broken wrist?

All those teams are contenders and could use him?

Assuming we want draft picks or young players in return ... which we do ... then what can the Nets offer us at this point?

They have no picks to trade for years to come or players of interests outside of Dinwiddie.

[Knightro]

Even though Vucevic is the best player of the bunch, I think the Magic will have a much easier time unloading Gordon and/or Ross for a decent return for a variety of reasons if that is the direction they chose to go.

[MoMM]

Maybe to the Warriors for a package involving Wiseman? But probably only next year when Klay is back.