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2021-2022 Regular Season Game 37: Orlando Magic (7-29) at Boston Celtics (17-19) - 1/2/22 - 6pm ET

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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 37: Orlando Magic (7-29) at Boston Celtics (17-19) - 1/2/22 - 6pm ET 

Post#41 » by Knightro » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:04 am

Xatticus wrote:I get it, but that's the bed our front office has made. I wouldn't want to have to make that decision based on the data we have right now. I'd want more as well. I'd want to see if he is trending in the right direction.

Bamba played in his rookie season. Clifford felt obligated to. Our front office let Clifford have too much authority and he came up with every excuse he could to keep Bamba off the floor. Now they have to make a decision on whether or not Bamba is showing progress with basically one season's worth of data.

The thing is... he is one of the most talented guys on the roster. Rim protection is always at a premium and he has the potential to be one of the best rim protectors in the league. He is a capable rebounder. He has range out to the 3-point line. He has terrific touch around the rim. Mark Eaton was 26 in his first season, so I'm not bothered by his age. The question is... "can you smooth out the rough edges?" I don't know. But if you are wrong and someone else capitalizes on it, you end up looking really stupid.


I guess my issues with Bamba are less skill related and more effort/heart/desire/whatever you want to call it related.

If his issues were only things that would likely improve with more experience, like higher level defensive reads or understanding when/where/why to make a pass versus taking a shot, I'd be more optimistic about his future.

But not only does he need to do all of those things, he just doesn't play consistently play hard nearly enough on top of that. And that's just not something I would be willing to gamble he's ever going to start doing.

He still runs wildly hot and cold and this is a contract year. If he can't be bothered to play hard all the time when he could potentially make tens of millions of dollars more, then when will it ever happen?
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 37: Orlando Magic (7-29) at Boston Celtics (17-19) - 1/2/22 - 6pm ET 

Post#42 » by Xatticus » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:05 am

I love when Ross goes off. Every opponent's broadcast team mentions how dangerous he is and they all remember when he blew up against their team. There has to be some GMs out there getting desperate and paying attention to performances like this.

Boston media is going to blow up if we win this game.
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 37: Orlando Magic (7-29) at Boston Celtics (17-19) - 1/2/22 - 6pm ET 

Post#43 » by thelead » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:11 am

Franz pressing… likely due to a lack of touches
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 37: Orlando Magic (7-29) at Boston Celtics (17-19) - 1/2/22 - 6pm ET 

Post#44 » by Knightro » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:13 am

Franz extends his double figures streak to 19 games.
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Post#45 » by JTG_92940618 » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:14 am

Wendell with 14/13/6 right now. Not bad.

Of course, T-Ross with an efficient 27 too and GH with 21 and 4 steals. Fun game.
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Post#46 » by thelead » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:15 am

If we were fully healthy, I don’t see us being much worse than the Vuc/Evan/AG era… while being a ton younger
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Post#47 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:19 am

thelead wrote:If we were fully healthy, I don’t see us being much worse than the Vuc/Evan/AG era… while being a ton younger

You mean we’re working our way back to the same era we just were?
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Post#48 » by JTG_92940618 » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:20 am

I hate late whistles where you can tell the ref only called the foul because the shot was missed.

Either it's a foul or it's not, idiots.
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thelead wrote:If we were fully healthy, I don’t see us being much worse than the Vuc/Evan/AG era… while being a ton younger

You mean we’re working our way back to the same era we just were?

Sure while being a ton younger and with more picks coming our way (more talent). That’s what a rebuild looks like.
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Post#50 » by basketballRob » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:23 am

Wow, the refs trying to help out the Celtics.

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Post#51 » by Knightro » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:25 am

I wonder if that's the first time Franz has missed a pair of free throws this season.
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Post#52 » by Xatticus » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:25 am

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Xatticus wrote:I get it, but that's the bed our front office has made. I wouldn't want to have to make that decision based on the data we have right now. I'd want more as well. I'd want to see if he is trending in the right direction.

Bamba played in his rookie season. Clifford felt obligated to. Our front office let Clifford have too much authority and he came up with every excuse he could to keep Bamba off the floor. Now they have to make a decision on whether or not Bamba is showing progress with basically one season's worth of data.

The thing is... he is one of the most talented guys on the roster. Rim protection is always at a premium and he has the potential to be one of the best rim protectors in the league. He is a capable rebounder. He has range out to the 3-point line. He has terrific touch around the rim. Mark Eaton was 26 in his first season, so I'm not bothered by his age. The question is... "can you smooth out the rough edges?" I don't know. But if you are wrong and someone else capitalizes on it, you end up looking really stupid.


I guess my issues with Bamba are less skill related and more effort/heart/desire/whatever you want to call it related.

If his issues were only things that would likely improve with more experience, like higher level defensive reads or understanding when/where/why to make a pass versus taking a shot, I'd be more optimistic about his future.

But not only does he need to do all of those things, he just doesn't play consistently play hard nearly enough on top of that. And that's just not something I would be willing to gamble he's ever going to start doing.

He still runs wildly hot and cold and this is a contract year. If he can't be bothered to play hard all the time when he could potentially make tens of millions of dollars more, then when will it ever happen?


Again... I grew up in a different era. We see guys like Giannis and think that is the norm when it really isn't. Bamba is a really big dude. They don't move the way that smaller guys do. I'm a short guy and frankly speaking... I never played against anyone above around 6'4"ish that didn't look goofy and slow to me, but I understand that's just because of that high center of gravity. For this reason, I have always made exceptions for big guys concerning how their effort manifests. If a big guy makes a bad read or commits a misstep, it takes them a relatively long time to recover. If Bamba chases an offensive rebound he shouldn't have, he gets left behind in transition. If he chases a block he shouldn't have, then he gives up an easy put back. That's the stuff you have to clean up.

I just don't buy the effort argument though, because we had Vucevic playing 30 minutes a night and the nights when he put in any effort at the defensive end were few and far between. If you just constantly sag under the basket, you aren't going to throw yourself out of position, but you are every bit as ineffective as someone taking themselves out of a play by making a bad decision or a bad read.
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Post#53 » by Rick Rolled » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:25 am

Lol.

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Post#55 » by JTG_92940618 » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:27 am

You can just tell nobody yelled to Franz that the double was coming from the blind side.
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Post#56 » by basketballRob » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:31 am

I'm rooting for overtime

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Post#57 » by Xatticus » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:31 am

JTG_92940618 wrote:You can just tell nobody yelled to Franz that the double was coming from the blind side.


Someone should have called it, but he also should've expected it. He's had a tough stretch. That's fine though. It's a learning experience.
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Post#58 » by Howard Mass » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:32 am

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Post#59 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:34 am

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Post#60 » by Knightro » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:36 am

Franz has had a brutal game. Bad on both ends. His first real clunker in a while.

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