2023 NBA Draft Thread

[drsd]

And Adam Silver says, "And with the 30th pick in the NBA draft, the 2022/23 NBA Champion Orlando Magic select ...."

[I Rasharted]

me want high pick

wemby or whoever the other guy is, scooty or something

/end_analysis

[MagicFan101]

Fruits of rebuild.
Mario Hezonja
Elfrid Payton
Aaron Gordon
One hour of Domas Sabonis
Gordon in Paul George wannbe teenage phase
JOnathan " MIA" Isaac
Fultz as reminder it could have been Maxey

Patience would make sense if Magic were contender in 2019 and now go through rough patch. Magic haven't been relevant in last 11 years. Kid that 11 years ago was in highschool now has own kids. Person who was in his 50s last time Magic were relevant probably already has grandkids and/or is planning his retirment.

You might enjoy empty calory stats of Banchero and watch him and Franz Wagner average 50% of all shots of a team while losing comfortablly against team that looks like it's toying with us. I really don't.
I didn't watch last year's last 20 games because i figured there is nothing new i could learn . Guess what? i was right.

Same this year. It is just yet another throwaway season. Enjoying process only makes sense if process is leading to something. This is nothing but aimless stumbling from year to year. What happends if they draft 6th or 7th this year ? Try 2024? Then 2025, then 2026? Because it's clear that THIS front office won't commit toward building basketball , competitive team in near future.

Then, why are you here?

Why you can't reply with objective arguments what's there to support instad of most childish reply possible ?

Unhealthy obsesssion with tanking is most anti sportsmenship behavior one fan can step into. You lierally watch games to cheer for opponents in hope more losing will lead toward better lottery position to draft "player" ( read: kid ) who is yet to shave for first time.
And you justfy proces of cheering against your team with " this young players put numbers ,therfore they "develop". No they don't. They just spend enough time on the floor to have enough balls bounce their way ( Rebounds!!) and pass around ball just enough to stumble to 3,4 "assists" by accident, and shoot just about 50% of all team's shots.
If that is name of "development" than Elfrid Payton second part of the season miracle triple doubles on awful teams would already developed him into Chris Paul. Spoiler alert, he was same player year in and year out because he kept playing on same, uncompetitive , bad teams, was never challenged as starter and never felt need to improve .

Franz Wagner looks identical, if not worst like he did last year. Why ? Well because team is actually somehow even worst than last year. He looked good/ great on Eurobasket because , for that competition, he had more talent around him, so mainly Schroder got out best of him.
Now Franz is "point forward" in role he has no business playing. He looks worst, His FG% is worst than last year, he shoots 20% for 3, he draws almost no fouls and to get 1,1 assist more, he averages 1,7 turnovers more. All advanced stats in dumpster.

Also let's not forget third member of "process ". Jalen Suggs. What if 2023 draft prospect turns into similar player to him. Somebody so green that you can't realisticlly depend on for couple of years at least? So you go back in 2024 lottery again? Than 2025. Than 2026.
And what happends if in that "process" Banchero or Wagner ask to be traded out of your mess since you are good for nothing but losing? You know, those players don't really have patience to waste their life, talent and health forever on awful teams.

Trae Young told Hawks after second year that he will ask trade if they don't get him actual basketball players.

If Pepe took half the time he used for these pointless essays and invested it into reading, writing and proper grammar lessons …

[drsd]

me want high pick

wemby or whoever the other guy is, scooty or something

/end_analysis

A 32-5 record and then go top-3 in the lottery. I am happy with that sort of seasonal outcome.

[RookieStar]

Then, why are you here?

Why you can't reply with objective arguments what's there to support instad of most childish reply possible ?

Unhealthy obsesssion with tanking is most anti sportsmenship behavior one fan can step into. You lierally watch games to cheer for opponents in hope more losing will lead toward better lottery position to draft "player" ( read: kid ) who is yet to shave for first time.
And you justfy proces of cheering against your team with " this young players put numbers ,therfore they "develop". No they don't. They just spend enough time on the floor to have enough balls bounce their way ( Rebounds!!) and pass around ball just enough to stumble to 3,4 "assists" by accident, and shoot just about 50% of all team's shots.
If that is name of "development" than Elfrid Payton second part of the season miracle triple doubles on awful teams would already developed him into Chris Paul. Spoiler alert, he was same player year in and year out because he kept playing on same, uncompetitive , bad teams, was never challenged as starter and never felt need to improve .

Franz Wagner looks identical, if not worst like he did last year. Why ? Well because team is actually somehow even worst than last year. He looked good/ great on Eurobasket because , for that competition, he had more talent around him, so mainly Schroder got out best of him.
Now Franz is "point forward" in role he has no business playing. He looks worst, His FG% is worst than last year, he shoots 20% for 3, he draws almost no fouls and to get 1,1 assist more, he averages 1,7 turnovers more. All advanced stats in dumpster.

Also let's not forget third member of "process ". Jalen Suggs. What if 2023 draft prospect turns into similar player to him. Somebody so green that you can't realisticlly depend on for couple of years at least? So you go back in 2024 lottery again? Than 2025. Than 2026.
And what happends if in that "process" Banchero or Wagner ask to be traded out of your mess since you are good for nothing but losing? You know, those players don't really have patience to waste their life, talent and health forever on awful teams.

Trae Young told Hawks after second year that he will ask trade if they don't get him actual basketball players.

If Pepe took half the time he used for these pointless essays and invested it into reading, writing and proper grammar lessons …

You know... i don't usually agree with a lot of pepe's takes.. BUT criticizing a poster's grammar??? A lot/some of our members doesn't have English as a first language. We are after all an international group of Magic fans...

So yeah... please none of that grammar,spelling,etc ij our arguements please.

[RookieStar]

Also... methinks we turn it around and pick in the 13-17 range.

Whatsay we look for a proper modern C seeing as WCJ/Bamba doesn't look complimentary to PB so far.

[drsd]

7. Orlando Magic


14. Orlando Magic (via Chi)

At this range, the Magic might be in a situation that they draft both Amen and Ausar; have two sets of brothers on the roster would be amusing.

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[drsd]

If you don’t like the fact this thread exists in October, don’t post in it.

Post of the year so far ????


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[fendilim]

Wemby is a generational player, he is freaking good. We’d be stupid not to draft him.

But scoot may end up being the winning player.

Scoot fits more as a first option because he can create for himself and others. Facilitating an offense is very important in today’s game.

[MagicFan101]

Why you can't reply with objective arguments what's there to support instad of most childish reply possible ?

Unhealthy obsesssion with tanking is most anti sportsmenship behavior one fan can step into. You lierally watch games to cheer for opponents in hope more losing will lead toward better lottery position to draft "player" ( read: kid ) who is yet to shave for first time.
And you justfy proces of cheering against your team with " this young players put numbers ,therfore they "develop". No they don't. They just spend enough time on the floor to have enough balls bounce their way ( Rebounds!!) and pass around ball just enough to stumble to 3,4 "assists" by accident, and shoot just about 50% of all team's shots.
If that is name of "development" than Elfrid Payton second part of the season miracle triple doubles on awful teams would already developed him into Chris Paul. Spoiler alert, he was same player year in and year out because he kept playing on same, uncompetitive , bad teams, was never challenged as starter and never felt need to improve .

Franz Wagner looks identical, if not worst like he did last year. Why ? Well because team is actually somehow even worst than last year. He looked good/ great on Eurobasket because , for that competition, he had more talent around him, so mainly Schroder got out best of him.
Now Franz is "point forward" in role he has no business playing. He looks worst, His FG% is worst than last year, he shoots 20% for 3, he draws almost no fouls and to get 1,1 assist more, he averages 1,7 turnovers more. All advanced stats in dumpster.

Also let's not forget third member of "process ". Jalen Suggs. What if 2023 draft prospect turns into similar player to him. Somebody so green that you can't realisticlly depend on for couple of years at least? So you go back in 2024 lottery again? Than 2025. Than 2026.
And what happends if in that "process" Banchero or Wagner ask to be traded out of your mess since you are good for nothing but losing? You know, those players don't really have patience to waste their life, talent and health forever on awful teams.

Trae Young told Hawks after second year that he will ask trade if they don't get him actual basketball players.

If Pepe took half the time he used for these pointless essays and invested it into reading, writing and proper grammar lessons …

You know... i don't usually agree with a lot of pepe's takes.. BUT criticizing a poster's grammar??? A lot/some of our members doesn't have English as a first language. We are after all an international group of Magic fans...

So yeah... please none of that grammar,spelling,etc ij our arguements please.

Criticizing? Not at all. Merely an observation with an opinion of a better use of one’s time.

[Skybox]

Also... methinks we turn it around and pick in the 13-17 range.

Whatsay we look for a proper modern C seeing as WCJ/Bamba doesn't look complimentary to PB so far.

I've thought about this too...perhaps WCJ isn't an ideal fit - but he is most definitely a solid NBA starter on an amazing deal. Maybe he's a better fit on say, GSW? Could we get Moody + more back. Teams looking for win-now all-in talent that will give up on a young guy could definitely consider WCJ as a great piece....IF we determine he's really good, but not ideal for our near future - let's move him to a team that would love him, while we patiently look for perfect fits.

Everybody likes WCJ (me too), but we have the luxury of aiming higher and prioritizing fit with Paolo and Franz. I feel the same way about Suggs...he's going to be very good. I'm not "giving up" on either...I'm just building a team.

[RookieStar]

Also... methinks we turn it around and pick in the 13-17 range.

Whatsay we look for a proper modern C seeing as WCJ/Bamba doesn't look complimentary to PB so far.

I've thought about this too...perhaps WCJ isn't an ideal fit - but he is most definitely a solid NBA starter on an amazing deal. Maybe he's a better fit on say, GSW? Could we get Moody + more back. Teams looking for win-now all-in talent that will give up on a young guy could definitely consider WCJ as a great piece....IF we determine he's really good, but not ideal for our near future - let's move him to a team that would love him, while we patiently look for perfect fits.

Everybody likes WCJ (me too), but we have the luxury of aiming higher and prioritizing fit with Paolo and Franz. I feel the same way about Suggs...he's going to be very good. I'm not "giving up" on either...I'm just building a team.

Well.. we have the whole season to see if WCJ and PAolo fits together. Maybe PB likes the fact that he has a bruiser of a teammate to handle the big guys in the league so he doesn't have to.

[Skybox]

Also... methinks we turn it around and pick in the 13-17 range.

Whatsay we look for a proper modern C seeing as WCJ/Bamba doesn't look complimentary to PB so far.

I've thought about this too...perhaps WCJ isn't an ideal fit - but he is most definitely a solid NBA starter on an amazing deal. Maybe he's a better fit on say, GSW? Could we get Moody + more back. Teams looking for win-now all-in talent that will give up on a young guy could definitely consider WCJ as a great piece....IF we determine he's really good, but not ideal for our near future - let's move him to a team that would love him, while we patiently look for perfect fits.

Everybody likes WCJ (me too), but we have the luxury of aiming higher and prioritizing fit with Paolo and Franz. I feel the same way about Suggs...he's going to be very good. I'm not "giving up" on either...I'm just building a team.

Well.. we have the whole season to see if WCJ and PAolo fits together. Maybe PB likes the fact that he has a bruiser of a teammate to handle the big guys in the league so he doesn't have to.

Been thinking about what you said...Just posted what I think is a 'win win' in Trades & Transactions

[jonbob17]

Also... methinks we turn it around and pick in the 13-17 range.

Whatsay we look for a proper modern C seeing as WCJ/Bamba doesn't look complimentary to PB so far.

I've thought about this too...perhaps WCJ isn't an ideal fit - but he is most definitely a solid NBA starter on an amazing deal. Maybe he's a better fit on say, GSW? Could we get Moody + more back. Teams looking for win-now all-in talent that will give up on a young guy could definitely consider WCJ as a great piece....IF we determine he's really good, but not ideal for our near future - let's move him to a team that would love him, while we patiently look for perfect fits.

Everybody likes WCJ (me too), but we have the luxury of aiming higher and prioritizing fit with Paolo and Franz. I feel the same way about Suggs...he's going to be very good. I'm not "giving up" on either...I'm just building a team.

Is WCJ a center, though? If he's not the contract doesn't look so great, and not sure there are a lot of starting jobs available at the 4 for his skillset.
Marvin Bagley for instance is a tweener 4/5, and has little value, traded for 2 2nd rounders.

I think/thought WCJ can be, but his start to this season has me worried. WCJ is 6'8.75". Now that is tall enough to play the 5, but you gotta be strong and athletic at that height. I love his passing, hand offs, and screening. We'll see.... the jury is out, but WCJ has been bad so far this year, and certainly not the "leveled up" version we were sold.

[drsd]

Is WCJ a center, though? If he's not the contract doesn't look so great, and not sure there are a lot of starting jobs available at the 4 for his skillset.
Marvin Bagley for instance is a tweener 4/5, ....

Carter and Bagley are interesting comparisons. I note that they have similar contracts, with Carter's a top-heavy, declining contract more suited to brining in a future FA.

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[pepe1991]

Also... methinks we turn it around and pick in the 13-17 range.

Whatsay we look for a proper modern C seeing as WCJ/Bamba doesn't look complimentary to PB so far.

I've thought about this too...perhaps WCJ isn't an ideal fit - but he is most definitely a solid NBA starter on an amazing deal. Maybe he's a better fit on say, GSW? Could we get Moody + more back. Teams looking for win-now all-in talent that will give up on a young guy could definitely consider WCJ as a great piece....IF we determine he's really good, but not ideal for our near future - let's move him to a team that would love him, while we patiently look for perfect fits.

Everybody likes WCJ (me too), but we have the luxury of aiming higher and prioritizing fit with Paolo and Franz. I feel the same way about Suggs...he's going to be very good. I'm not "giving up" on either...I'm just building a team.

Is WCJ a center, though? If he's not the contract doesn't look so great, and not sure there are a lot of starting jobs available at the 4 for his skillset.
Marvin Bagley for instance is a tweener 4/5, and has little value, traded for 2 2nd rounders.

I think/thought WCJ can be, but his start to this season has me worried. WCJ is 6'8.75". Now that is tall enough to play the 5, but you gotta be strong and athletic at that height. I love his passing, hand offs, and screening. We'll see.... the jury is out, but WCJ has been bad so far this year, and certainly not the "leveled up" version we were sold.

¸

Wendell isn't PF in modern nba , that's for sure.
I think Banchero took his sweet spots and he is by default pushed on perimeter. That's why you have games where he shoots 7 threes and makes zero.



Not dramatical swing but noticable

That being said it's kind a obvious already that he benefited more from Bamba than Bamba benefited from playing with him. It's not like Bamba ever had desire to come near paint, but with him being there it made sure he never will even consider it.
Wendell is very heavy player and not very tall one, that two things make him not so mobile, i think he is servicable big, but ofc people overrated him last year ( and tried to push narative he is top 10 center) . This version of him is way closer to what he was before trade than last year. Witch now looks like bit of outliner on bad team.

His massive issue is lack of size combined with mediocre latheral speed & lack of pop as athlete. It could work if he can be some 36-38% three point shooter. But he isn't.

[NavalAviator94]

Interesting to see how our lineups have performed early in the season from cleaningtheglass.com https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/22/lineups#tab-four_factors

I would like to see some more of that Bol/Paolo/Franz/Ross/Hampton Lineup

[RookieStar]

I've thought about this too...perhaps WCJ isn't an ideal fit - but he is most definitely a solid NBA starter on an amazing deal. Maybe he's a better fit on say, GSW? Could we get Moody + more back. Teams looking for win-now all-in talent that will give up on a young guy could definitely consider WCJ as a great piece....IF we determine he's really good, but not ideal for our near future - let's move him to a team that would love him, while we patiently look for perfect fits.

Everybody likes WCJ (me too), but we have the luxury of aiming higher and prioritizing fit with Paolo and Franz. I feel the same way about Suggs...he's going to be very good. I'm not "giving up" on either...I'm just building a team.

Well.. we have the whole season to see if WCJ and PAolo fits together. Maybe PB likes the fact that he has a bruiser of a teammate to handle the big guys in the league so he doesn't have to.

Been thinking about what you said...Just posted what I think is a 'win win' in Trades & Transactions

You mean where we trade WCJ and the DEN 25 for Wiseman and Moody?

Well.. if you think wcj / bamba isn't the best fit for PB.. then Wiseman ( so far ) is even a worse fit.

I get the appeal for Moody though but not the answer fpr our C question.

[Nyce_1]

Anthony Black has my interest.

[RookieStar]

Also... methinks we turn it around and pick in the 13-17 range.

Whatsay we look for a proper modern C seeing as WCJ/Bamba doesn't look complimentary to PB so far.

I've thought about this too...perhaps WCJ isn't an ideal fit - but he is most definitely a solid NBA starter on an amazing deal. Maybe he's a better fit on say, GSW? Could we get Moody + more back. Teams looking for win-now all-in talent that will give up on a young guy could definitely consider WCJ as a great piece....IF we determine he's really good, but not ideal for our near future - let's move him to a team that would love him, while we patiently look for perfect fits.

Everybody likes WCJ (me too), but we have the luxury of aiming higher and prioritizing fit with Paolo and Franz. I feel the same way about Suggs...he's going to be very good. I'm not "giving up" on either...I'm just building a team.

Is WCJ a center, though? If he's not the contract doesn't look so great, and not sure there are a lot of starting jobs available at the 4 for his skillset.
Marvin Bagley for instance is a tweener 4/5, and has little value, traded for 2 2nd rounders.

I think/thought WCJ can be, but his start to this season has me worried. WCJ is 6'8.75". Now that is tall enough to play the 5, but you gotta be strong and athletic at that height. I love his passing, hand offs, and screening. We'll see.... the jury is out, but WCJ has been bad so far this year, and certainly not the "leveled up" version we were sold.

In this league even during the early 2000s, wcj is a C. 6'9 barefoot with long wingspan plus a heavy build that can bang with the likes of Embiid and Jokic (now) or Dwight and Gasol ( then) is what a typical C should be.

PB is our star player. That means we protect him. I have a feeling thqt a franchise-type player on any team usually doesn't like to be the one to bang downlow against the opponents physical behemoths. Thats why i think PB is ok with wcj cuz he handles the dirty works.