Fultz future

[Skin]

I think this year he's been more available and efficient on offense. Right now, he's probably the best player to start at point guard for the Magic. That being said, I can see a scenario where the Magic improve at PG and move Fultz to the bench. Or trade him.

I could also see a scenario where he improves his 3 point shot and becomes the long-term starter. This year showed a lot, in my opinion.

6 years evidence so far say no to that

He's still the best PG we've had since Jameer. How many years is that?

[Skybox]

I think this year he's been more available and efficient on offense. Right now, he's probably the best player to start at point guard for the Magic. That being said, I can see a scenario where the Magic improve at PG and move Fultz to the bench. Or trade him.

I could also see a scenario where he improves his 3 point shot and becomes the long-term starter. This year showed a lot, in my opinion.

6 years evidence so far say no to that

He's still the best PG we've had since Jameer. How many years is that?

That's like "tallest dwarf" - nothing to brag about...not enough bro...maybe if we had a lights out scorer/creator at SG...but, in that case, I prefer Suggs for his defense and still-to-be-soon upside.

[zaymon]

Fultz should have no future on our team. He is average at best, overpaid player who additionally doesnt fit at all with our young core. Only reason we retain him could be his salary, similar what we did with Bamba.
He makes the most mistakes when the pressure is on.
He doesnt have particularly fast feet and is better guarding wings than guards.
He is overrated playmaker who is only at 55 percentile as a pnr ball handler.
Even if he was average shooter he would be nothing special and barely a starter.
I am not a big Anthony fan but he is doing a lot better than Fultz and should be finishing games. I have no idea what Mosley is thinking. Suggs and Anthony impact is a lot bigger.

He just got nominated for Eastern Conference Player of the Week. Kinda makes your analysis look like weak made up ****. Hate on.

? Like i care about player of the week nomination. Westbrook was mvp by voters and he was never most valueable player in the league.
If you dont want to use your own brain and you use observations made by others who propably rarely watch Magic its your own choice. However you also had Banchero nr 8 on your big board behing Ivey, Smith and Agbaji so maybe you should use others opinions instead of yours for your own sake.

[deggett]

I'm fine with Fultz here starting.... As long as he has someone next to him that can shoot and be dynamic

It's Elfrid+Evan vs Oladipo all over again. It doesn't work.

[Skin]

Fultz should have no future on our team. He is average at best, overpaid player who additionally doesnt fit at all with our young core. Only reason we retain him could be his salary, similar what we did with Bamba.
He makes the most mistakes when the pressure is on.
He doesnt have particularly fast feet and is better guarding wings than guards.
He is overrated playmaker who is only at 55 percentile as a pnr ball handler.
Even if he was average shooter he would be nothing special and barely a starter.
I am not a big Anthony fan but he is doing a lot better than Fultz and should be finishing games. I have no idea what Mosley is thinking. Suggs and Anthony impact is a lot bigger.

He just got nominated for Eastern Conference Player of the Week. Kinda makes your analysis look like weak made up ****. Hate on.

? Like i care about player of the week nomination. Westbrook was mvp by voters and he was never most valueable player in the league.
If you dont want to use your own brain and you use observations made by others who propably rarely watch Magic its your own choice. However you also had Banchero nr 8 on your big board behing Ivey, Smith and Agbaji so maybe you should use others opinions instead of yours for your own sake.

I'm glad my thoughts have such a great impact on your memory cause that really was one post where I was deliberately trying to be a hater. Nice memorization on your part. I've hit on enough prospects to not be bothered. I wanted Mikal Bridges over Bamba. Wishing he were here rn.

Paolo's flaws still exist. Big man who can't shoot well from 3 and doesn't play post defense. But he surprised me with his handle and perimeter defense. We can build around that. Great start, looks to be on the path to stardom. Praying for him to shoot a thousand 3s a day this summer. In a draft where every prospect had red flags, I definitely wasn't sold on him, but performance changes opinion.

We're winning games since Fultz came back. Show me something better and I can move on. Suggs and Cole aren't it. Suggs is an even worse shooter, has poor vision, and his handle sucks. 68% FT shooter c'mon. Definitely can't leave him in the end of games. Cole has been slowly making his case, but he's still a shoot first guy and Markelle's defense is clearly better than Cole. Cole is good as a microwave scorer off the bench where you can control his minutes and keep him on a short leash. Especially since he's a hot and cold. You don't want him in the end of games unless he's cooking because otherwise he'll hurt us.

I don't see a better PG in the draft, but I can see WeHam letting Fultz go and unloading the boat for FVV.

[p0peye]

We're winning games since Fultz came back.

No, we are winning games since both Fultz and Cole came back, but only Cole nightly performance actually correlates with W/L outcomes. Fultz is a contributor, but does not move the needle.

[Skin]

We're winning games since Fultz came back.

No, we are winning games since both Fultz and Cole came back, but only Cole nightly performance actually correlates with W/L outcomes. Fultz is a contributor, but does not move the needle.

Fultz starter though.

[zaymon]

He just got nominated for Eastern Conference Player of the Week. Kinda makes your analysis look like weak made up ****. Hate on.

? Like i care about player of the week nomination. Westbrook was mvp by voters and he was never most valueable player in the league.
If you dont want to use your own brain and you use observations made by others who propably rarely watch Magic its your own choice. However you also had Banchero nr 8 on your big board behing Ivey, Smith and Agbaji so maybe you should use others opinions instead of yours for your own sake.

I'm glad my thoughts have such a great impact on your memory cause that really was one post where I was deliberately trying to be a hater. Nice memorization on your part. I've hit on enough prospects to not be bothered. I wanted Mikal Bridges over Bamba. Wishing he were here rn.

Paolo's flaws still exist. Big man who can't shoot well from 3 and doesn't play post defense. But he surprised me with his handle and perimeter defense. We can build around that. Great start, looks to be on the path to stardom. Praying for him to shoot a thousand 3s a day this summer. In a draft where every prospect had red flags, I definitely wasn't sold on him, but performance changes opinion.

We're winning games since Fultz came back. Show me something better and I can move on. Suggs and Cole aren't it. Suggs is an even worse shooter, has poor vision, and his handle sucks. 68% FT shooter c'mon. Definitely can't leave him in the end of games. Cole has been slowly making his case, but he's still a shoot first guy and Markelle's defense is clearly better than Cole. Cole is good as a microwave scorer off the bench where you can control his minutes and keep him on a short leash. Especially since he's a hot and cold. You don't want him in the end of games unless he's cooking because otherwise he'll hurt us.

I don't see a better PG in the draft, but I can see WeHam letting Fultz go and unloading the boat for FVV.

You had many good draft favourites i will give you that. I also agree Banchero has his flaws.
To me Suggs is better than Fultz and with much higher ceiling. Even Cole is outperforming Markelle recently. Fultz is empty stats shooting midrangers opposing defenses gives him with joy, not really setting our offense. Todays game is another exemple.

[MasterGMer]

To me, Fultz is our starting PG. In clutch times if we need a basket, I'd trust Fultz's midrange. I know many of you are bringing up his 3 point shot. I agree too that he needs to retain the mechanism to be able to shoot 3s well. One of the biggest reason he went NO.1 in the NBA Draft was his 3pt shooting at Washington. He attempted 5 threes per game on average.

Fultz is a pure PG and I like the idea of bringing Cole off the bench. But it doesn't mean we do not play Cole at the end of the game, like this Miami Heat game tonight.

[pepe1991]

I think this year he's been more available and efficient on offense. Right now, he's probably the best player to start at point guard for the Magic. That being said, I can see a scenario where the Magic improve at PG and move Fultz to the bench. Or trade him.

I could also see a scenario where he improves his 3 point shot and becomes the long-term starter. This year showed a lot, in my opinion.

6 years evidence so far say no to that

He's still the best PG we've had since Jameer. How many years is that?

That stiff competition of :
Shabazz Napier
Elfrid Payton
Shelv Mack
Cole Anthony
DJ Augustin
CJ Watson



Him being "best since Nelson" says way more about Magic as organisation than about him in past 14 years.

[Knightro]

I already know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what DJ Augustin did in 18-19 was better than anything Fultz has ever done in his career.

81 starts on a 42-40 team, .616 TS%, +0.5 BPM, +0.94 RPM

[Skin]

6 years evidence so far say no to that

He's still the best PG we've had since Jameer. How many years is that?

That stiff competition of :
Shabazz Napier
Elfrid Payton
Shelv Mack
Cole Anthony
DJ Augustin
CJ Watson



Him being "best since Nelson" says way more about Magic as organisation than about him in past 14 years.

Funny, not funny... SAD.

[zaymon]

Fultz is not really a point guard. He is a shooting guard who cant shoot. He was never a good passer, even in college he was average at best. Not close to real point guards like Trae or Ja.

[Knightro]

Fultz is not really a point guard. He is a shooting guard who cant shoot. He was never a good passer, even in college he was average at best. Not close to real point guards like Trae or Ja.

He’s also pretty high turnover for as low assist as he is.

29.1 AST%, 17.1 TOV% is a really poor ratio.

People kill Cole for not being a playmaker, and those criticisms are justified, but his AST%/TOV% gap is actually a tiny bit better than Fultz’s gap - 12.5% compared to 12%.

But as you said, Fultz was always more of an elite combo guard prospect than a pure point guard prospect, even dating back to Washington. His game game had elements of Brandon Roy, of young James Harden, of the good version of D’Angelo Russell. He was supposed to end up a guard who could score at all three levels at elite rates while still being a good playmaker for others.

Obviously without being willing or able to shoot and being bizarrely poor at drawing fouls considering how often he attacks the basket, he’s not anywhere close or ever going to really be anywhere close to the caliber of scorer people once thought he’d be.

And unfortunately he’s still the same “decently good, but not great” playmaker he’s always been.

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Orlando’s point guard of the future isn’t on this roster yet.

That’s my take.

[Audi]

I already know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what DJ Augustin did in 18-19 was better than anything Fultz has ever done in his career.

81 starts on a 42-40 team, .616 TS%, +0.5 BPM, +0.94 RPM

By the end of the 18-19 season DJ had played 640 more games than Fultz has in his career thus far. Weird comp.

[Knightro]

I already know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what DJ Augustin did in 18-19 was better than anything Fultz has ever done in his career.

81 starts on a 42-40 team, .616 TS%, +0.5 BPM, +0.94 RPM

By the end of the 18-19 season DJ had played 640 more games than Fultz has in his career thus far. Weird comp.

That's true.

You know what else is true? Augustin before the 18-19 season even happened had already made 910-2418 career three pointers. His game didn't dramatically change or improve as he aged. But I wasn't suggesting that either.

18-19 wasn't even the best season of Augustin's career. I was simply saying it was better than anything Fultz has done and the best PG season the Magic have had since Jameer, both of which are true.

Fultz is having the best season of his career and he's still well below the league average in efficiency and considered a net negative by all the advanced metrics.

I get that people want him to be good. I do too! But he's really not and there's just no real indication some sort of massive improvement is coming given what his specific shortcomings are.

[Bergmaniac]

I get that we have been starved of high quallity playmaking as Magic fans, the list of our PGs since Jameer posted earlier in this thread is downright depressing, but we are all watching other teams at least once in a while and the difference in playmaking skills between Fultz and the league's elite at this is just huge. The eye test shows it and the stats show it even more clearly. We are better offensively when Fultz is not on the court. His assist numbers are mediocre, he is turnover prone, and he doesn't make scoring easier for our stars, in fact it's the opposite. Paolo is down to 51 TS% in the minutes he shares with Fultz. Yes, some of it is the rookie wall, but how often is he getting easy buckets from Fultz assists? Franz seems to play at his best when he is with the bench, and these are the minutes we usually go on runs.

[GelbeWand09]

I still dont know how you can think of Fultz as a starting PG at a winning team, except its a nice cinderella story. He is probably the worst 3Point shooter at his position in the leaque in the middle of the 3 Point era. The problem is not only that he barely hits them, he doesnt even take them. No matter how bad Suggs is at shooting them. Every team still knows he can get hot from there every 2-3 game. So they have to guard him.
Fultz just doesnt contribute much to winning. There is a reason his impact numbers are negative & most of his good games are in losses & blowouts.
Its not only that. For a PG he isnt even elite at anything else to compensate that. He was most of his career a bad defender (better this year but still miles away from Suggs). He is a ok-good passer. He is not good in the halfcourt & cant run the Pick n Roll effectively.
He's super turnoverphrone. He lives off fastbreaks & and midrange gimmies teams give him.
There is a reason Paolo & Franz are much worse since he is back and shrinks the floor.
I'm a Cole ''hater'' since we drafted him, but i still take him 10 out of 10 times over Fultz.

[p0peye]

I already know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but what DJ Augustin did in 18-19 was better than anything Fultz has ever done in his career.

81 starts on a 42-40 team, .616 TS%, +0.5 BPM, +0.94 RPM

Cole has potential to reach and be bit better than that, IMO. Fultz lacking mandatory skills has clearly peaked in our team. Maybe he could be a better fit somewhere else where he is surrounded by 4 shooters, but PG who is bad option for ball handler in pick'n'roll kills the staple of today's offense. Not sure what team is OK with that.